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Stupid. After 5 games? He's bought in something like 14 players so they obviously needed time to gel. Still, I hate Sunderland so I hope they go down anyway.

That's the point. Take away Rooney, Rvp and Vidic and your left with a very average, ageing squad. Rio is still a good player but his best days are behind him. Take a look at their midfield, Carrick, Fellaini, young and Valencia. Does that look like a title winning midfield? Even Tottenhams midfield is 10x better than that and they are aiming for top 4. I said it a lot last year that united did not have the squad to win the league. It was SAF's ability to know how to win games that won them the league. Take him away and you're left with an average/ageing squad barring RVP, Rooney and Vidic.Their squad needed a major overhaul this summer IMO, they needed creativity through the centre of midfield and a couple of wingers who know how to beat a man. Unsurprisingly, Moyes isn't exactly renowned for these type of signings and chased a DM and a LB. Herrera would have been a good signing but they still needed more. Look at City, Chelsea even Tottenham and Arsenals midfield and tell me it's not 100000x better than what United have. Cleverly is lucky to be playing for a top 10 team never mind the champions, same goes for young. Valencia I like as he works hard and can provide moments of quality but he's not good enough to be a regular for the champions of England. Carrick again I like but even he is 32 and isn't the player he was and will only get worse. Felli we all know is a good player and I think he will do well for united but the defensive side of their team isn't the problem. Their midfield is so mediocre is frightening. They'll be lucky to get 3rd this year as the signings the other top teams have made are streets ahead of Uniteds midfield and without SAF's know how, they will suffer.

United look awful () they have done nothing going forward. Fellaini completely lost his man or the second goal as well.

I don't think he's much better than what we already have tbh. I'd rather keep Oveido as they are very similar players (both can play at LB/LW). With what money we have I'd be looking to see if there is anyway of keeping lukaku if we still have the money remaining from the Felli deal and if we can get something for Jelly. If not I'd be looking at an attacking midfielder who can rotate with Barkley. As it stands that seems to be the only position we have no cover for and it would be good to get someone in with more experience he can learn a thing or two from.

Saha said on Soccer AM yesterday that Moyes was better than Ferguson tactically, I know he must have had a few before he went on like but that's some statement. Really excited about what Martinez can bring/is bringing to the team and it sounds like the players are too. With lukaku's goals to add to the quality we already have in the squad and I'm sure Jelly and Kone will chip in with a few when needed as well, then European football is a distinct possibility.

Next Gerrard? Wasn't that Shelvey? Or was it Spearing? Or maybe Henderson? Like Romey, I can't see him coming here. He looks a good player though.

You suggested Stefan Kuntz earlier in the thread.. So you seem to be talking out your arse once again. Don't talk down to people because you think remembering who refereed the cup final in 1923 makes you in someway "superior". I'd give you £50 if you could tell us who are starting 11 was last week. Dick.

Over rated Open fire's

Happy birthday cuntface!

Should have rat face back soon though which will soften the blow.

I NEED IT!

I just saw it on SSN. It doesn't look real! It gets quicker just before it hits the back of the net. Unbelievable tekkers.

Absolute bastard!

Brilliant!

No I haven't yet mate, was hoping someone would say overrated so I wouldn't be so crazy to get it! . Unfortunately wont be able to get it till payday, too many bills! And a holiday to pay for! Driving me crazy not having it as well because I've got Monday-Wednesday off work and now my laptop has gone so footy manager is out the window, all I've got is FIFA and AC and that gets old pretty quick. Everytime I go on PSN there is about 5 of my mates all playing it! Gutting!

Really?! Wow thought it was twice the size! Must be the camera.

Bender on. Can't believe I haven't mentioned him or his brother in the funny names yet!

This place wouldn't be the same without all the old timers to pick on! Should feel appreciated Mike!

Great effort but Keeper has had a mare!

OVER RATED!! GTA V

Rooney misses a sitter, Leverkusen go and score. That's why you love football.

They're winning now aren't they?

Yeah I thought that too, the pitch is obviously a lot bigger but I didn't see him doing any of them when we played at OT. Then again, that might be because we are/were the away team.

I agree Bailey. Admittedly I haven't seen an awful lot of Leverkusen before but I have seen bits. They're play focuses a lot on getting crosses into the box for Kiessling. Unfortunately, he won't get a sniff against Rio or Vidic. They need to mix it up a bit at the moment because even I can tell what they're going to do everytime they go forward never mind the united defence. Can't see anything other than a united win.

DK not watching a match? What's the world coming to! Oh wait. Felli has give the ball away a fair bit. Seems to be a bit more "expansive" with his range of passing than he was with us. Seems to try the cross field switching ball a few times too, never seen him do that for us. Probably down to Moyes though of course.