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  3. Moyes: We May Lose Fellaini

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    How's your mate Essien? Doing well is he? Seen him whilst in a giant hospital where his 3 x the normal height of a human being frame is currently being treated by nurses 3 x as good as the ones at Bupa, whilst drinking his water which is 3 x as good as Evian, reading his paper that's 3 x better than the guardian, whilst being wanked off by hookers 3 x as good as your mum? ooops...did i say 3 x, they're an exception....5 x wink.png

     

    So, your only retort to the fact NO ONE wants to buy Fellaini and NO ONE has made any offers for this £35 million super star is to remind me a player i think is world class and 3 times better than Fellaini, is injured. rofl.gif

     

    You even made that point in a manner that rivals Hafnia for immaturity and idiocy.

  9. Moyes: We May Lose Fellaini

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    Getting every one in Europe to agree to a world-wide salary cap would definitely be wild, but the leagues in Brazil and Argentina would probably rule the planet since they generally have the best homegrown talent. Then again, tactics are a major concern as well.

    Sorry about the rant... just a little aside! happy.png

     

    Brazil and Argentina would still lose their best players as any world wide salary cap would still leave their clubs unable to pay top wages.

     

    I personally don't think any football player should earn more than £50k a week. That doesn't include endorsements or commercial activities. The best players would still be earning £5 -£10 million per year based on that.

     

    I personally would have;

    Every club cannot spend more than x on wages in a year for their entire squad, with the exception of two players who are not bound by this.

    Every match day team needs to include 5 players from the home country. Dispensation can be made when injuries occur.

  13. Elstone Blog In Reply To Dissenters

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    As a shareholder I believe I do have the right to know what they value the club at, I also believe I have the right to question the other costs that have massively increased.

     

    That is all I have to say, too much arguing. This isn't new ground for TT

     

    I personally think a shareholder should hold a minimum of x% of shares before being privy to confidential and sensitive financial information. Making this kind of information to someone who has bought 1 share or 20 shares is asking for trouble as far as i am concerned !

  16. Elstone Blog In Reply To Dissenters

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    Club PR officer Ian Ross told everyone on Talksport that 85p in every £1 goes to Finch Farm, whilst CEO Robert Elstone released a statement which stated that he said that he and Kenwright would not talk to fans who wanted their jobs.

     

    85p in every £1 going to Finch Farm is good news. Elstone is absolutely spot on

     

    We support the team 100%. That can never be in question. It is improving on this team and squad that is the issue here.

     

    Is this the same group that have a Facebook page where 'supporters' openly state they want season ticket refunds, or boycotting away/home games :rolleyes:

     

    If the Club is for sale and you are desperate for a billionaire etc… tell us what you want for the Club? There can be no excuses if you really want to sell something so badly for not letting fans know the price. Surely letting us know what you want will open the door to a wider audience. Or is the Club’s asking price too much? Kenwright himself has told us that interested parties tick all the boxes, so he clearly feels there has been ‘the right buyer’. Therefore it is a money issue.

     

    What possible good would it do to tell the supporters how much the club is for sale for? Is a supporter of our club getting his piggy bank ready to make a high level takeover? If someone wants to buy the club they enquire about it and they get told a price by the owners, which is their right. If someone who wants to buy the club feels Everton is too expensive and the board are taking the piss he/she/they will do the very hard task of picking up the phone to the Echo and telling them. This will be headline news, build pressure for Kenwright and support for the possible new owner and there is no possible way the board could remain in control. I wonder why this hasn't happened? Oh and i believe Kenwright actually said 'i thought we had a buyer, they ticked all the right box's and when i came time to provide the funds, nothing happened. So the Peoples Group want an owner who can't provide basic funds to buy the club let alone funds to develop a long term strategy?

     

    What are Robert Earl, Jon Woods and Philip Carter’s input to the Everton board? Earl and Philip Green’s relationship and the BCR Sports Group registered to the British Virgin Islands in particular needs some serious looking into. After all, Earl has no intentions of investing in Everton Football Club, so why is he there?

     

    I think these are fair questions. Injection of energy, innovative thinking, creative marketing and a fresh approach is needed at board level.

     

    Tell us how you plan to increase revenue streams, and tell us why should a board who in 11 years, having twice failed to deliver a new stadium, having NEVER found investment (despite the admittance of several interested parties) be allowed to continue. Anyone else who fails in their jobs like this would have been sacked or resigned by now. Convince us how you aim to take us forward. It’s not just about this season, it is about the future too.

     

    The board should never release specific information about how they plan to increase revenues. This would have an adverse effect on the club. However i do think some information about our strategy moving forward is needed. The Kirkby stadium was only not delivered due to fan protest. You can't claim they failed to deliver a new stadium here regardless of your opinions on Kirkby being right or wrong. No one knows why certain things have failed, maybe past failings do need to be explained.

     

    With regards to the interested parties, tell us who they were. Tell us why they got to the last stages and all “disappeared” (Kenwright’s words, not ours). Tell us how all the money goes to Finch Farm but in the accounts £23m out of an £80m turnover, is classed as ‘other operating costs’.

     

    Seemed to have asked the same question three times in 4 apparently different questions here. :rolleyes: I've answered it in my first reply. 'Other Operating Costs' is absolutely no ones business than the clubs. The club should not have to openly explain our accounts to anyone. There are all sorts of tax and legal considerations to take and asking for an explanation on this is beyond stupid.

     

    if the banks will not lend to us anymore, how do you intend to support the manager not just now, but next year and the year after? How do you intend to pay the banks back, with all our assets having already been sold?

     

    We are a club who needs to sell to buy and develop our own players. Both of which we have been very good at.

     

    If you are serious about selling, and you have had no ‘luck’ so far, why not step down and put an interim board in place with the aim of selling the club. Martin Broughton anyone?

     

    An interim board would be an utter waste of time. Like it or not Liverpool are one of the most famous clubs in the world with the ability to create significant revenue streams in many global markets. In fact they have so much potential, they hasn't been realised that it wasn't difficult for them to find an interested buyer. Everton do not have this ability to create revenue. We have to build them and that costs huge sums of money. I do however agree than Everton FC need new people involved with a fresh approach and fresh contacts.

     

    If 85p in every £1 goes to Finch Farm, and every penny is “re-invested in the club”, where is the Bellefield money? The Steven Pienaar money? The James Vaughan money? Not to mention the loan fees we received for Joseph Yobo, Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Vaughan.

     

    Finch Farm, operating costs and servicing debt to make sure this club doesn't go bust maybe? :rolleyes:

     

    What has happened to the farce that is the Park End project? There has been a gaping gap in the wall all Summer, despite the club offering two different excuses as to why no ‘Everton Place’ has been delivered. It is embarrassing.

     

    The club should explain themselves here, no question.

  18. Moyes: We May Lose Fellaini

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    Posted · Edited by pax

    So funny how myopic the intellectually challenged amongst us can be when it comes to assessing the flaws of players who play for ones team :lol:

     

    Stinks of my dad is better than you dad playground stuff. :lol:

     

    There is one real neanderthal on this forum. I have a feeling they know who they are too :lol:

     

    'my cousin thick Adam said he saw Kenwright trying to burn Goodison down so he could claim the insurance money'. Must be true like and it's fact but can't back it up with anything as i'm just as thick as he is and also like to make boss stories up. :lol:

  19. Elstone Blog In Reply To Dissenters

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    Posted · Edited by pax

     

     

     

     

    Do you not realise that the post from Hafnia includes the details of the Kikrby enquiry as well as an interview with Elstone that actually happened. He hasnt just made them up, they are documented somewhere (maybe Keioc website). Maybe your definition of fact is different to mine.

     

    I don't read anything that person has to say anymore so why don't you spell it out. What specific points are you trying to make and what facts backs them up and what evidence is there to lend weight to your facts.

     

    :rolleyes:

  20. The Peoples Group

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    This is not a thread about the board or Kenwright, it's specifically about The Peoples Group. Just had 10 mins looking through their facebook page and i'm wondering what this joke of a group seems to think they can achieve?

     

    Here are a few choice comments that are posted on their page;

     

    kenwright your a first class twat hope you suffer from now on u useless twat

     

    Chris why are you here,you've comments never have any backing or facts.Do us a favour stop chatting shite fuck off and start you own Kenwright cock sucking group.We want answers!

     

    Oh my god he's back. There is no point to his posts. Dya know what he's like, when u av a shite and flush the chain and theres always a little floatin turd that wont go away....

     

    f we get rid of rodwell thats it kenwright better watch out

     

    Now i believe in freedom of speech and the right to voice opinion, but surely this group is going to achieve absolutely nothing but dragging our clubs name through the mud and embarrassing us all with their tolerance for foul, abusive and threatening language/behaviour and their attitudes to anyone who has the slightest difference in opinion to them?

     

    There are plenty of groups, like KEIOC, that deserve respect for the manner with which they get things done and keep their integrity and professionalism. Guess what, they actually achieved things using this approach.

     

    Is there anyone on this forum who likes this group and the way they are going about things?

  21. Could We Play A 5 - 3- 2 With Wing Backs

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    I am just thinking with baines and now coleman both playing well as attacking full backs would it be worth trying to make use of this with a 3 at the back type formation as below:

     

    Howard

    Jags Jonny H Distin

    Coleman Baines

     

    Arteta Felli

    Cahill

    Saha Yak

     

    I know this may seem footy manager type thinking but it would allow us to utilise more the players we have in their best positions. It would give cahill a free role to get forward it would give felli and arteta more licence to stay higher up and hold a position so we are not holding the line right outside our box. It gives baines and coleman enough cover with 3 at the back to get forward. It allows us to play two upfront with a supporting midfielder.

     

    and although it only gives us one player in the wide positions denpending on who we had upfront they could move wide to cross the ball for their strike partner.

     

    Thoughts

     

    Yeah i think this works better for us. Without wingers Baines and Coleman simply have to get into the game more in attack. i wouldn't have 3 CB's, i think JH and Rodwell can do a good job in front of the back 4, in between the midfield and CB's providing cover if the full backs get forward and lose the ball. The rest of your team i agree with ! Although the strikers can't be judged yet, need to see how pre season goes with Saha, Jak and Beckford.

  23. Elstone Blog In Reply To Dissenters

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    I must admit I found it very amusing for him/her to be ridiculing the People's Group for stopping people giving their opinions on FB, yet then puts you on ignore for challenging his/her views!

     

    I know you make things up and speculate as to the boards decision and intentions but not for one minute did i think you'd start doing the same with me ! :lol::lol:

  24. Elstone Blog In Reply To Dissenters

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    Posted · Edited by pax

    Well firstly I'll quote Hafnia's post on some of the main points up for discussion:

     

    "When questioned at the Kirby enquiry, Elstone was asked whether the asset utilisation we are talking about is sustainable - to which he replied it was unsustainable and that eventually the loans would overwhelm the club. FYI - they sale of Bellefield was used to pay off another loan.

     

    Ten years ago we had net assets of £18.5m, now we have net liabilities of £30m. Ten years ago our operating costs were 4% of our turnover, now they are 30% - yep 30%. Is Mr Greene involved in these operating costs? If not, what are these operating costs - maybe an AGM would allow that question to be asked, but they aren't going to allow that are they? Especially when questions are asked that they do not like:

     

    scenrio: Bill when asked about lending more money:

     

    BK "But to get to 4th, we need more money. Banks, will you lend us more money. We know what's going on at the moment in the world, the banks are tighter than they've ever been. Our bank's fantastic to us. All I can tell you, with absolute, genuine honesty, I don't know what to do anymore other than to get more money."

     

    Shout from audience: "Sell it then."

     

    BK: "Sell it? You're right. If I can sell it, it will be sold tomorrow, the next day or the next day. There's a man called Keith Harris who I'm sure you all know, he did the Randy Lerner deal, he?s done most of the big deals in the last few years. He's out there looking for me, Jon?s [Woods] been out there looking for the last ten months. We are out there with an open door policy.. Everyone knows this football club needs investment. I don't know what more I can do to serve you, to serve the football club and to get you the success that you deserve."

     

    Shout from audience: "The planning application said the club is not for sale."

     

    evidence:

     

    Notes extracted from the revised Planning Statement (document 18) Kirkby Inquiry:

     

    6.10 A further point that is of relevance to any debate on the options that might be available to the Club to fund a new stadium, is the willingness and abilities of the Club?s directors to sell some or all of their interests in the Club in order to attract an investor who or which might have the ability in financial terms to fund a new stadium in its entirety or at the very least fund the shortfall that exists in the context of this proposals. As is pointed out in greater detail in the financial statement (document 26), this is not an option as the current directors have no intention of selling any of their interests in the Club.

     

     

    Mr Lancaster focused his attention on Bill Kenwright's statement at the recent EGM concerning the sale of the club to a billionaire and the apparent engagement of Keith Harris of Seymour Pierce; Robert Elstone refuted this, adding that the club hadn't engaged Seymour Pierce or anyone else. It was established that the club is for sale, although this is not mentioned in any of the 6,000 pages of the planning application. "

     

    Theres some facts... Add that to whatever happened with Fortress Sports Fund, Kings Dock, the lack of foresight in the development of the Park End, the Kirkby fiasco that Keioc gave every fact under the sun yet people still disbelieved. Im not saying Kenwright is personally 100% responsible, but the heirachy of the club do have questions to answer over there dealings. If a CEO of a multinational made these type of mistakes or missed these opportunities then they would get the sack. Everton are a business and the only strategy the board seem to have come up with in this time is asset utilisation, which our CEO is saying is unsustainable (which doesnt take a genius to work out). Whats the new plan? They must have one as they been in charge for however many years! Im certainly not seeing one.

     

     

    Sorry, maybe it's me being dumb, but i don't see where you have stated where most of you're facts have come from. Facts, especially figures need a source from someone who is in the know for them to be facts. Maybe apply this to the above and we'll have something to discuss. All i can see above is you putting 2 and 2 together and potentially coming up with 5, 4, 9. 27 or any number as it's all based on speculation.

     

    If you lot have all the FACTS about what's been on, why are you demanding answers from the board? Surely you already know all the answers?

     

    Oh wait, you don't. :rolleyes:

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