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#41 Guest_fozzie_*

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Posted 18 Nov 2006 - 01:33

Good post Willo,

In fairness the board mismanagment has gone on for at least 25 years,long before Moores died in fact,but the club isnt generating any new money,just recycling whats already there..(i.e us).

The club needs a massive injection of new cash to go forward and as Willo rightly points out grubby Billy wont let his toy go(quite where we'd have been without shreks (low) transfer fee is frightening),and that bad management which ever way you say it.

I keep hearing 5 year plans beign banded about,i say bollocks it would take 5 years with "new" money but at this rate we're going to be in this torpid state for a long time to come.
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Posted 19 Nov 2006 - 01:52

I keep hearing 5 year plans beign banded about,i say bollocks it would take 5 years with "new" money but at this rate we're going to be in this torpid state for a long time to come.


we have certainly NOT been in a torpid state for the last 3 seasons. since walter smith was replaced by moyes we are no longer relegation fodder, which we ALWAYS were before moyes arrived.

yes, the board has been divided and rudderless for a long time, but there have been signs of improvement and a new sense of determination to get things done, and done properly.

we have consolidated ourselves as a good, solid mid-table team, with a real chance of being a top six side and getting regular european opportunities.

Everton are now firmly esconced in the moyes era and complaining about past mistakes contributes nothing to developing the clubs future.

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Posted 19 Nov 2006 - 03:06


we have certainly NOT been in a torpid state for the last 3 seasons. since walter smith was replaced by moyes we are no longer relegation fodder, which we ALWAYS were before moyes arrived.

yes, the board has been divided and rudderless for a long time, but there have been signs of improvement and a new sense of determination to get things done, and done properly.

we have consolidated ourselves as a good, solid mid-table team, with a real chance of being a top six side and getting regular european opportunities.

Everton are now firmly esconced in the moyes era and complaining about past mistakes contributes nothing to developing the clubs future.

Maybr your happy by seeing and paying a lot of good money to see shite served up each week.

Maybe a top 6 side with regular euro chances..not for a long time,i look at this thread as a possitive discussion towards not only Moyes's future at the club,but the club as a whole,we are simply a very avaerage mid table side,who every now and again will get a pop at the euro places when the other teams fall off the wagon.

I see little to no new investment other than the shrek money in the last 3 years..but of course the old chestnut about Moyes spending so much on AJ and lescott,we paid up front for both of them about 6 mill,the rest of the fees are of course tied to apperances,so in other words we spent no more than we normally spend,so when all is said and done there is no new money in the club and we are in a torpid state money wise,to say other wise is sheer folly.
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Posted 20 Nov 2006 - 08:54

Maybr your happy by seeing and paying a lot of good money to see shite served up each week.

Maybe a top 6 side with regular euro chances..not for a long time,i look at this thread as a possitive discussion towards not only Moyes's future at the club,but the club as a whole,we are simply a very avaerage mid table side,who every now and again will get a pop at the euro places when the other teams fall off the wagon.

I see little to no new investment other than the shrek money in the last 3 years..but of course the old chestnut about Moyes spending so much on AJ and lescott,we paid up front for both of them about 6 mill,the rest of the fees are of course tied to apperances,so in other words we spent no more than we normally spend,so when all is said and done there is no new money in the club and we are in a torpid state money wise,to say other wise is sheer folly.


Everybody who thinks about the situation accepts that it will take a long time to put right the wrongs which have been done behind the scenes since the 80's. So after years of getting worse and the fans begging for at leaset some stabilisation we have got it but now there is a small section of our support getting restless. This is mostly the older generation who have watched success and are hungry to see it again but realistically I think this group is demanding success for selfish reasons and cannot honestly say they are considering the best path for the club.

We are being mis managed and our chaiman is extreamly blinkered along with the managers tactical questionability but is it that bad?

The facts are the board room has been stabalised, the chairman will never do anything to harm / risk the club and the manager has improved the team. Is there room for improvement? Most definatly. However we have taken the first steps along a path we all readily admit is a long and winding one. I want people to relax we were diabolical for years but new we are getting better slowly so accept the progress, demand more thats fine but ripping apart a partnership which has brought the team out of the dark times because your not happy with the speed of the progress is soft IMO.
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Posted 20 Nov 2006 - 11:35

Hear Hear. But whats this about the older generation. :o ??

Think it might be the under 30s thats getting frustrated, cos they havent seen any success at all since they were born. ;) Us olduns know how to handle it. :D

Edited by Licker, 20 Nov 2006 - 11:37.

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Posted 20 Nov 2006 - 13:28

*holds hands up at being 40*

While the slow process is being done the rest of the premiership is moving along too,as i say we're standing still to get nowhere at the moment
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Posted 20 Nov 2006 - 21:22

league winners in the past couple of years.

Chelsea
Arsenal
Manure
Blackburn

Chelse bought the league as did Blackburn - The Chelsea method
Leeds tried to and got relegated - The Leeds method
Manure & Arsenal spent years building a solid structure around the club and bringing in the right manager - The Everton method.

Its a hypothosis but when you look at our situation we are slowly stabalising the club and building a decent foundation. Moyes proberbly isnt the man but through his work we are making it possible for a manager & chairman with class to come in and have something to work with rather than a complete desaster zone to struggle against.

My point being without the big ruskie backer the best we can hope for is big bill to bring in a man with £100mill meaning if we spend it he will want instant results to get it back and we could be the next Leeds. I'm happy to let Moyes carry on his work for a few more years in the mean time BK should be scouring Europe for the next Arsene Wenger. If Moyes comes good then he does and if not there is a plan b!!

This is a general reply Craccer and not directly aimed at you

I am reading through all your opinions and the glaring thing that stands out form the doubters is that nobody has a plan of who could do better and where the money is comming from!


if we could convince curbs, but i don't really know i'd just like a bit of attacking football. i cant see where the money is coming either

but as for the man u and arsenal method, i don't see moyes in that category of manager, wenger and ferguson both are exceptional and got a large bit of luck. plus we have kenwright at the helm who won't budge and is an investor repellant
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Posted 21 Nov 2006 - 00:46

if we could convince curbs, but i don't really know i'd just like a bit of attacking football. i cant see where the money is coming either

but as for the man u and arsenal method, i don't see moyes in that category of manager, wenger and ferguson both are exceptional and got a large bit of luck. plus we have kenwright at the helm who won't budge and is an investor repellant

Not forgetting moyes is still one of the youngest managers in the Premiership after Boothroyd. It's not really fair to compair him to managers with 10-20 years more experience.
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 15:21

moyes is a great manager he has worked wonders with this club drag us out of the bottom clubs and got us back up there fighting with the best has people forgot the days of relagation battles needing to win games just to stay up we have come on leaps and bounds he has got good players in and is building a very good team with more money and time we will be back to gloary days
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 18:19

What I keep thinking is if these "evertonians" want moyes out then who the hell would come in????

Patience is a virtue in this game unless anothe abramovich comes along. It is impossible to click your fingers and u slingshot to the other side of the table. Moyes IMO has done wonders in the short spell he's had at the club. Yes he's had a few blips but he's a young manager who is hungry and will bring success if he stays at the helm which is doubtful if he keeps getting slagged off by impatient fans.
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 20:31

we are a long way away from the team that moyes took over, hes made good signing and bad, but unfortunately with his limited budget they all need to come off.

My opinion is we stick with him, Ive seen more highs in the last four year than in the previous 6 before him, we,ve got a small squad but ts got players with a future ahead of them rather than panic short term over hill players
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 20:58

There are rumours doing the rounds that Moys and AJ have had a bust up and that AJ has handed in a transfer request :blink: I cant see it being true like, its on Kipper and most people on there arent believing it either
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 21:04

There are rumours doing the rounds that Moys and AJ have had a bust up and that AJ has handed in a transfer request :blink: I cant see it being true like, its on Kipper and most people on there arent believing it either



those damn rumours again, you should leave them where they belong


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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:09

the problem with moyes is he hasnt planned beneath the 1st team we have a few kids who 1 or 2 might make it but normaly they dont....
we only have one right back and one left back thats decent...and two ageing centre backs....this is why we are in trouble now...we cant cover the injurys.

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Edited by patto, 30 Nov 2006 - 23:12.

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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:10

the problem with moyes is he hasnt planned beneath the 1st team we have a few kids who 1 or 2 might make it but normaly they dont....
we only have one right back and one left back thats decent...and two ageing centre backs....this is why we are in trouble now...we cant cover the injurys.


I'd rather take the gamble with a small competent squad than buy a load of has beens to fill the gaps like we have done since the 90's TBH.
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:20

they dont have to be has beens.over the last four years we could have bought a few players for our second team.
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:21

they dont have to be has beens.over the last four years we could have bought a few players for our second team.


and still had enough money for AJ & Lescott??

Like who?
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:38

well thers 2 at preston for a start we could have had nugent for 1 million now we are looking at whally on the wing he cost 500 thou then thers doyle at reading for 500 thou there was also another player at reading who cost 1 mill whome we looked at ...lita
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:47

well thers 2 at preston for a start we could have had nugent for 1 million now we are looking at whally on the wing he cost 500 thou then thers doyle at reading for 500 thou there was also another player at reading who cost 1 mill whome we looked at ...lita


Thats kinda like when we bought Farelly an Oster tho & working on the theory that we only had the money we spent the that would have priced us out the market for either AJ or Lescott by 3 mill.

Dont get me wrong we need to build a bigger squad but our biggest strength is the team spirit and I can see why moyes is a little reluctant to bring in players who wont gel into that. It was only our spirit that got us to 4th and again it was only that which dragged us out of the first half of last season, talent and tactics are a sore point in our team at the mo!
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Posted 30 Nov 2006 - 23:55

had we bought nugent it would have saved us 5 million on the bt deal

Edited by patto, 30 Nov 2006 - 23:56.

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Posted 01 Dec 2006 - 00:00

had we bought nugent it would have saved us 5 million on the bt deal


Aye, we did all (fozzie excluded) think that was gona work out tho to be fair.
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Posted 01 Dec 2006 - 00:35

Aye, we did all (fozzie excluded) think that was gona work out tho to be fair.

Hehe..i hate to say i told you so..

i told you so!!
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Posted 01 Dec 2006 - 14:15

Hehe..i hate to say i told you so..
i told you so!!



you could have fooled me foz :lol:
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Posted 01 Dec 2006 - 17:06

There's no point dwelling on the past. All of us thought BT wud be a decent signing. I just hope AJ doesnt carry on like he is. But we've got one of the best academies in the league along with villa maybe and have got quality thru there. Moyes needs to give Vic and Vaughny more of a chance than 10 mins here and there

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Posted 01 Dec 2006 - 23:44

There's no point dwelling on the past. All of us thought BT wud be a decent signing. I just hope AJ doesnt carry on like he is. But we've got one of the best academies in the league along with villa maybe and have got quality thru there. Moyes needs to give Vic and Vaughny more of a chance than 10 mins here and there

Not all of us thought BT would be a good signing..i dont think i've ever said a good word about him ;)
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Posted 02 Dec 2006 - 16:20

There's no point dwelling on the past. All of us thought BT wud be a decent signing. I just hope AJ doesnt carry on like he is. But we've got one of the best academies in the league along with villa maybe and have got quality thru there. Moyes needs to give Vic and Vaughny more of a chance than 10 mins here and there


where did you hear that?
quick suggestion, go on evertonfc.com and look up our academys results! we suck!
all our decent young players have had to be shipped into the reserves. apart from maybe a few (kissock, rodwell, baxter) were not so special
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Posted 02 Dec 2006 - 17:11

Not all of us thought BT would be a good signing..i dont think i've ever said a good word about him ;)



The old head got it right with BT , where as this young fool rushed in thinking he wuld be a great EFC no. 9 :(
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Posted 02 Dec 2006 - 18:18

where did you hear that?
quick suggestion, go on evertonfc.com and look up our academys results! we suck!
all our decent young players have had to be shipped into the reserves. apart from maybe a few (kissock, rodwell, baxter) were not so special


Yes, most of them have been moved from the academy to the reserves and the first team!! We're not doing to shabby in the reserves league. Hell shove one or two women in the team they're class! :D :P
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Posted 04 Dec 2006 - 01:26

The old head got it right with BT , where as this young fool rushed in thinking he wuld be a great EFC no. 9 :(

LOL..

You know i hate it that he's been such a poor signing really i do,but i just had that feeling when he came he wasnt the right man for us.
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Posted 04 Dec 2006 - 10:02

Not all of us thought BT would be a good signing..i dont think i've ever said a good word about him ;)



TRUE, and probably rightly so

Yesterday he chased that ball down to cross for the goal, but that should be normal

0 goals from open play in eight months isnt good enough for Everton, wether he cost 6 mil or 6 quid
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 01:16

TRUE, and probably rightly so

Yesterday he chased that ball down to cross for the goal, but that should be normal

0 goals from open play in eight months isnt good enough for Everton, wether he cost 6 mil or 6 quid

Now thats very well said.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 09:02

TRUE, and probably rightly so

Yesterday he chased that ball down to cross for the goal, but that should be normal

0 goals from open play in eight months isnt good enough for Everton, wether he cost 6 mil or 6 quid


Its all well and good chasing lost causes all day but he's let himself down everytime he's been in space for months now!
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:19

Its all well and good chasing lost causes all day but he's let himself down everytime he's been in space for months now!

Must..resist..temptation...to..say...i... :lol:
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:54

Must..resist..temptation...to..say...i... :lol:


:lol: be strong foz, you can avoid it!! :D
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 16:35

I can't grumble, after all didn't Fozz tell us so....................

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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 18:56

I can't grumble, after all didn't Fozz tell us so....................


Told you we should've listened, but did anyone listen to me :rolleyes: .
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Posted 08 Jan 2007 - 15:46

I thought i'd bump this up baring in mind the display yesteday. A lot of people on Bluekipper and Toffeeweb are calling for Moyes blood. These are the same people who wanted his children after finishing fourth.
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Posted 08 Jan 2007 - 15:53

i think im joining that bandwagon, but i think wait until we have found a replacement and let moyes go in the summer

Edited by Everton Lad, 08 Jan 2007 - 15:53.

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Posted 08 Jan 2007 - 16:58

thank god this forum has some sanity left. on kipper they're talking as if we are bottom of the league with 1 game left.

yes i was pissed off as the next fan was. but i wouldnt go as far as saying all the stuff theyve been saying.

btw i will not join the anti moyes bandwagon. unless we dont win a game for the next 3 months then i prob will. but until then the team and moyes will get my support.
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Posted 08 Jan 2007 - 19:33

i dont think moyes is a bad manager or the club is a bad club when you take into consideration other premiership teams

Chelsea over rated players and a over rated manager lotts of money where will chelsea be 3 years down the line when when there owner gets bored and dumps them where will they be with all the the big contracts another leeds in the making. needs champions league football or bust

Liverpool would any of them spanish player get in the Everton side i dont think so maybe alonso on the subs bench look at the amout of money they have spent rotation system. needs champions league football or bust

Man u Ferguson nearly got relagated in the first couple of seasons look what there up to now larsson giggs scholes neville van der sar all on the wrong side of thirty and with glazier takin over not a bright future and ferguson about to retire needs champions leauge football or bust

arsenal young side big contracts . needs champions league football or bust

Moyes is still learning his trade 43 as a manager this is still young, we have some good young footballers we need a phisycal player and a right back get rid of all the left backs we have put pistone down. moyes still has future a Everton time is what he needs a new manager is not what we need.
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