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#41 Bill

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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 08:32

Both, Johan Cruyff and Marco Van Baston had publicly stated they would never again pick him for the Dutch Squad. That should have set the alarm bells ringing before we even signed him, all that was needed was a phone call.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 09:09

Read 3 different newspaper reports of the game and while i dont take the "match" score all too seriously the most he got was a 6...i didnt see the game but i'm sorry he's a pisshead who's done nothing at all since he joined the club,he earns big money for doing fuck all in the time he's been here,it'll take a hell of a lot more than one game to give anything like scant praise from me.

There are so many chances i'm willing to give most players and he ran out of them last season,he's a waster who i'm sure will be gone come january.

So one game does bugger all for me,i may well be a hard task master but he and other players of his ilk do a job i and most us would give thier right bollock for and to see them waste theier talent (and he's talented alright) makes my blood boil.

An internet pen mate from holland warned me about this lad when he came and frankly his words have been born out to be true.


I understand exactly what your saying foz but be realistic every time he's played I'v done a sex wee in my pants watching him.

Dont go for the obvious reply we all know he hasnt played.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 10:09

Both, Johan Cruyff and Marco Van Baston had publicly stated they would never again pick him for the Dutch Squad.


Stupid to write someone off in their mid-twenties whatever their problem. Like saying you'd never pick Eric Clapton to play guitar again, or Anthony Hopkins to act. If he's ill and he gets better fucking good for him. Don't know if it's in him at the moment but I'd me made up big time if he carries on playing like he did Sunday.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 10:35

The words "CLUTCHING" and "STRAWS" spring to mind. :D . Each to his own i suppose.
Give me a run of ten games without him going missing for 3months at a time, and i might review my feelings about him, But i wont hold my Breadth.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 10:52

The words "CLUTCHING" and "STRAWS" spring to mind. :D . Each to his own i suppose.
Give me a run of ten games without him going missing for 3months at a time, and i might review my feelings about him, But i wont hold my Breadth.

Same here Licker..us oldies must have higher standards than these young pups i suppose
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 11:19

The words "CLUTCHING" and "STRAWS" spring to mind. :D . Each to his own i suppose.
Give me a run of ten games without him going missing for 3months at a time, and i might review my feelings about him, But i wont hold my Breadth.



Same here Licker..us oldies must have higher standards than these young pups i suppose


You 2 are definatly missing the point!

He's a fuckin lazy waster who never plays and is best off out of our club, my point is when he plays like he did on Saturday (which he has every time he's pulled his boots on) he is better than any wide player bar Kanchelskis I have ever watched in person for Everton!

We could do with a player like that and I wish he wasnt a joke because we could realy realy do with that talent every week.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 11:32

All you can do is take it game by game now.

There are five games before the transfer window opens - and say 8-9 games before middle of the window.

He did more than enough on Sunday to be picked in the starting line up against Portsmouth, Everton and VDM have just got to take it from there.

If he plays like he did against West Ham on Saturday then he's in the team for Chelsea.

Fozzie and plenty others have wrote VDM off already - and I have to say very difficult to argue against him. One good performance is not enough (although if you had seen his performance Fozzie, you would get an idea of why a lot of people are getting a little excited). The highest news paper rating of 6 is well off the mark for his performance on Sunday, it was a display on the wing that the Goodison faithful haven't seen in a while. His first half showing was basically what we hoped we had bought him for.

I don't like abuse against players - especially ones were the main gripe is that they have had a lot of injury problems. Also, if the fella has developed a alcohol problem because of furstration and the ensuing depression.

I don't beleive for one second that VDM moved from Milan to Liverpool to purposely waste his life and talent away - I firmly think his goal was and is to get playing football. How much would if f*ck you off if you spend months getting yourself match fit - only play a couple of half games and go back to square one. Major pi55ed off. Watching your short footballing career disapear year by year, injury by injury.

I would love to see the fella get his life and football back on track. So if a little credit and encouragement for the way he played on Sunday helps - rather than continualed slagging off and abuse then I am all for this positive post. A so much negativity helps fu*king knowbody.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:17

Called a forum Rob..its here for a discusion the whole point of it really.

The simple truth is this in the last 4 years or so he's played less than 70 games,clearly not good enough he's trouble and the sooner we get rid the better.

Milan must sill laugh at us for paying good money for him.

And as for the paper reports i cant recall his name anywhere,they praised BT more tbh.but as i say i do take those with a large dash of salt.

I'm amazed that normally sensible people can defend this type of player,he earns good money for doing nothing,are we that desperate for a hero??

I know i'm not and frankly wasting time praising up this wastrel is missing the plus points of the season,lescott,howard,AJ,cahill.

You 2 are definatly missing the point!

He's a fuckin lazy waster who never plays and is best off out of our club, my point is when he plays like he did on Saturday (which he has every time he's pulled his boots on) he is better than any wide player bar Kanchelskis I have ever watched in person for Everton!

We could do with a player like that and I wish he wasnt a joke because we could realy realy do with that talent every week.

But your missing the point Fishman he wont do it every week,thats the whole point,he'll be injured again before we know (hopefully come feburay) when he's gone
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:21

Rob if its negative, its because its the truth, he pleaded in the summer to stay here, said he was determined to repay the faith that moysey had in him, since then he's played a shit 45 mins at Peterborough, two minutes of extra time against Boro, and a much improved 60 mins the other night.
Hopefully he didnt go out and celebrate too much, after feeling so excited about actually playing reasonably well.

For me its not about being negative, its about looking at facts, and facts still point to a once decent footballer who has abused his body and health, in such a way that he can no longer perform his occupation to an acceptable standard. If you or i had given so little to our occupations, we would have been sacked long ago.

In todays high profile game with massive sums of money involved, there is no room for sentiment. Dont forget this Club still has a huge Debt and we cannot continue to carry passengers, thats how companies go into liquidation. Time for the wasters and hangers-on to be shipped out, lets prune the Crew and run a tight ship..............

V D Meyde, Naysmith, Teflon, Pistone, players who have cost us MILLIONS and given very little in return.
I will hold off on Beattie and Davies until the seasons end But the rest can go at Christmas as far as i'm concerned.

Just one more thing for Goldy.......Liam if you wet your pants every time you see vdm play, you must be very easily pleased. ;)

Licker.....(Old but Wise)

Edited by Licker, 05 Dec 2006 - 12:46.

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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:43

Just one more thing for Goldy.......Liam if you wet your pants every time you see vdm play, you must be very easily pleased. ;)

Licker.....(Old but Wise)


Licker I have never seen anyone at Goodison cross a ball so well and so consistantly plus rip the arse out of one of the better left backs in the league over & over!!

Foz I get your point and even stated he needs to go the only point I make is its a shame because a week in week out VDM would be one of the best players we have had since the 80's :(
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:47

I must admit Fish getting wet has disturbed me...
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:50

I must admit Fish getting wet has disturbed me...


Just trying to describe form someone who was in the ground how consistantly good his crosses were.

If Cahill & Duncan Ferguson were in that penalty area we would have won about 8-0!
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:54

LOL big dunc..another sicknote..dont get me started ;)
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 12:56

Milan must sill laugh at us for paying good money for him.


They paid 5m for him so they're hardly in a position to laugh. In the previous three seasons at Ajax he played 86 games and scored 20 goals...isn't there just a little part of you (and Licker and anyone else of the same opinion) that desperately hopes that you're wrong?

But hey, thanks for bracketing me with the young pups....made my day :D !
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 15:05

we didnt pay that much for him. people make out like we spent 12 million on him when in fact it was 1.5 million. he has frustrated me at times being injured all the fukin time. but hopefully if he can stay fit and play like he did against west ham. we got a good winger on our hands
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 15:23

Its not just the 1.5m you pay for him, its the wages we've paid him since he came, thats another 1.5 million gone on him, and we've had fook all off him in return.
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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 16:32

I don't think we will ever come to a conclusion on this because of age and experience of previous Everton teams.

"The pups" have every right to get excited, because Everton are not known for fielding flair players and when they have someone to shout about, let them.

It has never happened to them in the way we have witnessed real success for us "owl arses".

I do love the passion involved and the younger members of the forum must realise we oldies are used to better.

Personally, I think he is a liability and a c*nt, a drain on overstretched resources. That is a personal view and in no way is a slur on any personal problems he may have.

Diplomatically

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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 17:29

Personally, I think he is a liability and a c*nt, a drain on overstretched resources. That is a personal view and in no way is a slur on any personal problems he may have.


Sitting on the bloody fence again eh Mac :lol: ?

Well me and the other young pups :D will be proved right (I'm enjoying this)!

I've put together a small video to demonstrate my esteem...

(have to work out a plan B for that :( )

Edited by mikeo, 05 Dec 2006 - 18:01.

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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 17:31

Have to log in and have a password. !!
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#60 MikeO

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Posted 05 Dec 2006 - 17:32

Really annoying...ya didn't used to have to :angry: ! Anyone any ideas on how to get round it?

Edited by mikeo, 05 Dec 2006 - 17:36.

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Posted 06 Dec 2006 - 01:26

I don't think we will ever come to a conclusion on this because of age and experience of previous Everton teams.

"The pups" have every right to get excited, because Everton are not known for fielding flair players and when they have someone to shout about, let them.

It has never happened to them in the way we have witnessed real success for us "owl arses".

I do love the passion involved and the younger members of the forum must realise we oldies are used to better.

Personally, I think he is a liability and a c*nt, a drain on overstretched resources. That is a personal view and in no way is a slur on any personal problems he may have.

Diplomatically

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You Sir get the Fozzie post of the day!!!
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 10:00

when will we see him do this in a blue shirt






http://www.youtube.c...8...ted&search=
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 10:26

foz its not the fact that we are young and have not seen success


foz its the fact that we have seen it bad and can finally see some light at the end of tunnel and i know you might not know what we mean when we say where optomistic but we are seeing a better return over the last couple seasons than we have in a long time so we are still optomistic unlike some old farts lol only joking

but we are more willing to have more faith in DM's decisions if he has seen something in vdm he can get hold of then i have faith in him

Edited by john_webby, 07 Dec 2006 - 10:32.

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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 10:41

when will we see him do this in a blue shirt




http://www.youtube.c...8...ted&search=


Saw alot of that on Sunday IMO
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 11:00

I don't think we will ever come to a conclusion on this because of age and experience of previous Everton teams.


Think we will...one way or another. Just not yet. I love good wingers (used to be one myself..though perhaps not a good one). Think VDM is a good winger under all the baggage...time will tell.
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 11:13

Fookin amazing

Fookin wanker

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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 11:34

If he could only do that now. A glittering career thrown down the pan, what an Arsehole. :(

But at the same time if he could do that now, he wouldnt be here. B)
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 11:51

hopefully he will play himself into a transfer somewhere else.
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 12:23

If he could only do that now. A glittering career thrown down the pan, what an Arsehole. :(

But at the same time if he could do that now, he wouldnt be here. B)

Nod in agreement..said it many times hes a waster and should stop drianing our wages kitty for doing fuckall
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 14:51

>>>Another VDM VID<<<(watch til the end) :P
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Posted 07 Dec 2006 - 16:38

so thats what he looks like on the pitch then :P jesus, when the guy gets going hes like the white ronaldinho which is why i was amazed when we signed him, his acceleration is unreal, either that or the video was sped up!think he needs a haircut as well, he looks in better shape without the chesney hawkes look
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