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#1 SchoolofScience121

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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 12:56

Because with Cahill injured, a smaller squad than last year and no money to spend, I'm crapping it!
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 12:58

Well now I am. THe sqaud is tiny as you said and how are we gonna cope in the UEFA?! We now need to replace/back up for Cahill and to back up/replace Vaughan! No money is no extra players! We dont even know if were gonna get Baines!
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#3 Everton_Worshiper

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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 14:13

Not me....looking forward to the new season. Too many dis-heartend supporters on this forum!
You make do with what you have got and get on with it.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 14:20

We need a leftback, centermidfielder + a striker, thats hoping Pienaar will play left wing and be a class asset to the team, we should all be concerned. but I can't wait until the 1st game. COYB
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 14:23

I am concerned for the new season yes for reasons I have given loads of time over the last few months and of which nothing has changed.

Hoped I am proved wrong though.

Be interesrting to see where we are now in the bookies eyes for a top 6 finish with most other clubs adding to there team
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 15:04

i am looking foward and a bit worried with the goalkeeper problem and the size of our sqaud

all i hear is evertons striker worries what about our goalkeeper if something happend to howard would turner be able to cut it in uefa. =/

we do have a problem and it is the size of our sqaud.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 17:57

Wudn't class our gk position as a worry, solid first teamer and 2 younger lads wid bags of potential.

On paper i'm looking forward to it as we'v improved the first team wid jags and the pioneer.

But with injuries and our thread bare squad, the confidence isn't overly flowing
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 19:06

im looking forward to it with great expectation

cahill and vaughan are not out for that long (cahill for roughly two months and vaughan for 3/4 months)
i see people shouting for a striker to fill in for vaughan whilst he's out...what happens to that striker when vaughan is back ??
yes its not ideal but vaughan only played in the final three months of the season, so we coped with him for the majority and we can do it again

as for cahill being out, yes its a blow but osman and pienarr can fill in for him short term.

if its true about shandy van der meyde flying in training and getting back to full fitness, our midfield could have a very useful playmarker to take the pressure off Arteta

baines WILL sign in the next couple of days, im confident about that (as stated on a different thread...no transfer is completed without abit of bargaining and man city wont get anywhere near him)

my only concern is the risky selling of james beattie with no replacement in sight. im hoping moyes brings a rabbit out of a hat here

too many people on here talking as though we are relegation fodder. do we want a huge squad with average players or spend loads and take us to the brink of going under IF the uefa cup adventure goes down the pan ? no of course not

stop looking about what happened two years ago, we have grown as a squad and moyes has improved as a manager

lets get behind them !
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 19:15

Moyes to resign soon IMO, I wouldnt blame him in the slightest tbh.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 19:22

where did that come from ??
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 19:23

where did that come from ??



It's my opinion.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 19:30

i dunno if vaughan's ever gonna come back from this properly tbh
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 19:48

It's my opinion.


I'LL GO ALONG WITH THAT OPINION ALSO.

If the board are not going to back the manager, He's not able to do his job to the best of his ability, and with 3 finishes 7th 4th and 6th in the five years he's been here i think he's earned a bit of money and should be repaid.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 20:44

I agree I'm sure he's really hacked off. We've made a net spend of 3m this window. Everyone else is spending millions. What's this about him being away on family business?????
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 20:47

I agree I'm sure he's really hacked off. We've made a net spend of 3m this window. Everyone else is spending millions. What's this about him being away on family business?????



Talking it through with his family whether to resign perhaps? Or maybe something innocent. Seems a strange time to do it though.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 21:09

Our board are a fucking discrase, They need to get some money out for Moyes, Man City have pissed me off so much spending millions + are on SS website every day either signing a player or in talks with a player. It seems everyone but us are signing, hopefully we will sign baines at least.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 21:16

""hopefully we will sign baines at least""


Should have been done before Pistone and Naysmith left, now it could be too late.
I dont think we would have got Jagielka if he did'nt have the Release clause.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 21:24

""hopefully we will sign baines at least""
Should have been done before Pistone and Naysmith left, now it could be too late.
I dont think we would have got Jagielka if he did'nt have the Release clause.


Unfortunately with Jags you are spot on! The board is an utter disgrace, there is 35 million coming in from Sky, 60 million in total of this year profit, where is all the money gone?
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 22:00

Personally I think it is all being eaten up by interest from loans and overdrafts.

I found this on another forum and it raises an interesting point.

I suspect he is just making a point / ratcheting pressure on tweedledum and tweedledee - he does like a good flounce from time to time so it is claimed. However, we are busy blowing another golden chance to progress as a team so I know I can't help but worry that it could all be about to go horribly wrong.

The root cause is simple when you look at our accounts. The extent to which we have spent beyond our means and driven up the debt (despite flogging everything that is not nailed down) over the last 5 years is staggering.

Put simply, even if Wyness made good on the £10m incremental revenue per annum that would only get us break even on our current cost base (debt/net asset decline is nearly 40m over the period despite 10m in one-off receipts, excluding rooney!) - basically we're overspending by 10m per year.

In short, even Wyness' fairytale projections would not free up a single extra penny for team building. It would just render our team of Nevilles and Carsleys affordable! Without new ownership / investment and new sources of additional income beyond a ground move we are condemned to a steady decline - the point BK and Wyness make, albeit I'd argue the root causes are different than the ones they spin...and so is the solution!!!


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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 22:08

IMO its defo gone towards Kirby but thats me...
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 22:19

kirkby is starting to become a no for me because if the price of the stadium goes over £300 million the club will have to pay, and as with all stadiums the cost will go up like wembly etc.

and if we have put 10mill or 20mill out of our transfer funds that is terrible, wot good is a new stadium if we aint got the right calabre of players to achieve a high prem and uefa squad
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 22:27

This Baffles me......-" basically we're overspending by 10m per year."

I've just got to ask, on what. ??

OUR TRANSFER SPENDING SINCE THE YEAR 2001 TILL TODAY ....... £49 MILLION.

OUR TRANSFER SELLING IN THE SAME PERIOD UP TO TODAY ......... £54 MILLION. a profit of 5 million.

in 2003 WE FINISHED 7th, in 2005 WE FINISHED 4th, in 2007 WE FINISHED 6TH.

WE HAVE HAD ONE OF THE SMALLEST SQUADS IN THE PREM FOR YEARS, WITH A STRICT WAGE CAP. WE WHERE ALL CURSING BIG DUNC FOR BEING TOP EARNER ON 30 THOUSAND.
AN AVERAGE OF THIRTY FIVE MILLION TV MONEY EACH SEASON, WITH MONEY GOING UP TO 50 OR 60 MILLION THIS YEAR. WE HAVE SOLD EVERYTHING WE HAD TO SELL, TILL WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT BUT THE GROUND WE PLAY ON, AND NOW THEY WANT TO SELL THAT.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW WE HAVE GOT NO MONEY.

excuse the caps but i'm shouting it from the rooftops ...... how can we be in such a mess, how have we spent all that money.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 22:42

Moyes to resign soon IMO, I wouldnt blame him in the slightest tbh.

agree 100%. I've never been a huge fan of moyes but he deserves alot better than what were offering him, i would'nt be surprised if he does walk.
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 22:52

Where's Moyes going to go if he leaves us? And more to the point who's going to take over? We were on such a high at the end of the season, what's gone wrong? OK I'll anwer my question - we are totally gutted with the fact that we have not made any big name signings. Is ther maybe some big name who Moyes is going to sign? If only....
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 23:31

Personally I think it is all being eaten up by interest from loans and overdrafts.

I found this on another forum and it raises an interesting point.


I suspect he is just making a point / ratcheting pressure on tweedledum and tweedledee - he does like a good flounce from time to time so it is claimed. However, we are busy blowing another golden chance to progress as a team so I know I can't help but worry that it could all be about to go horribly wrong.

The root cause is simple when you look at our accounts. The extent to which we have spent beyond our means and driven up the debt (despite flogging everything that is not nailed down) over the last 5 years is staggering.

Put simply, even if Wyness made good on the £10m incremental revenue per annum that would only get us break even on our current cost base (debt/net asset decline is nearly 40m over the period despite 10m in one-off receipts, excluding rooney!) - basically we're overspending by 10m per year.

In short, even Wyness' fairytale projections would not free up a single extra penny for team building. It would just render our team of Nevilles and Carsleys affordable! Without new ownership / investment and new sources of additional income beyond a ground move we are condemned to a steady decline - the point BK and Wyness make, albeit I'd argue the root causes are different than the ones they spin...and so is the solution!!!

Where did you get that from?
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 23:40

kirkby is starting to become a no for me because if the price of the stadium goes over £300 million the club will have to pay, and as with all stadiums the cost will go up like wembly etc.

and if we have put 10mill or 20mill out of our transfer funds that is terrible, wot good is a new stadium if we aint got the right calabre of players to achieve a high prem and uefa squad

wembley was poorly managed
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Posted 02 Aug 2007 - 23:54

football is that currupt now it would not be an unrealistic for us to win the league in the next ten years.

we could get our new ground then some dumb ass backer comes in throws money all over the show bish bash bosh we could be mounting a league challenge thats how pethetic its gone.

Eg chelsea, liverpool west ham could be getting there if they carry on this way. the man city backer is splashing all this dirty money he has robbed.

city had no barton no distan all gone they were screwed all of a sudden new manager new backer loads of players they look in a great position.

west ham should have gone down now look at them splashing the cash! everywere!

sunderland are nerwly premoted and outbidding and offering better wages than us!

pompey are just as bad

teams are turning around in the click or someones fingures, football should not work like this

It is really just a mess at the momment

something has to be done the question is

is it to late for football now??

somethong should have been done when it happend with blackburn.

but no it lead the chelsea still they didnt stop it and look were we are now.

what a mess!
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 07:19

Where's Moyes going to go if he leaves us? And more to the point who's going to take over? We were on such a high at the end of the season, what's gone wrong? OK I'll anwer my question - we are totally gutted with the fact that we have not made any big name signings. Is ther maybe some big name who Moyes is going to sign? If only....



Hate to say it but think he will be at West Ham before the season is out.

I think that West Ham will still struggle next season, they will sack Curbs and DM will take over and improve the swquad in January window.

We will be left with Ian Dowie.

Club is a disgrace
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 11:55

http://www.football3...2638418,00.html


Second time he's said this this summer.
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 12:07

He's gunna get fed up of being by far our best player, no1 is near his class and not only that our midfield needs players.
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 12:08

Rumour has it that after Cahill and Vaughan were injured Moyes asked BK for £10million and was told no, and he's considering his position. I think I'll throw up if Moyes goes.
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 12:29

I know its only rumour but wouldn't surprise me if there is some truth in it.
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 12:35

reading across the web these stories of moyes walking are getting stronger, i see there are rumours that aj is now injured also. :angry:
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 14:08

reading across the web these stories of moyes walking are getting stronger, i see there are rumours that aj is now injured also. :angry:


Its like Joe Royle all over again! I am seriously pissed that Smith has gone to Newcastle, who else can we go for within such a tight budget up front? If I am vexed at this, imagine Moyes frustration! It just gets worse lads............ B)
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 14:24

Well I've just emailed Ian Ross, basically asking wtf is going on. Hopefully I'll get a reply because there was no abuse just concern in the email.
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 14:48

thing that gets me is that wyness said if we don't go kirkby we'll be relegated in 5 years at this rate with the lack of money now we'll be in the shit before that!!!

especially if arteta gets injured.

only thing i'm lookin forward to is going away in europe and see if pienaar can produce what he did at ajax.

other than that it could be a bad year
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 14:59

The club has sold everything else so it will soon turn to the players, if we dont strengthen the team and are not in the top six fighting for euro by cristmas, Lescott, Cahill, Arteta, and Johnson will be looking for a move.
And who can blame them when they signed long contracts on the promise we where getting some players in to improve.
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 15:04

The family reasons are because apparently Moyes' mum died :(
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 15:10

From Ross


I'm currently on holiday abroad...the baines deal is not dead...the manager has always had money...but he's made it clear he won't pay over the odds...now how on earth that's Bills fault I will never know
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Posted 03 Aug 2007 - 15:39

Who is this Ian Ross Fella ?

I have to admit I am getting more than nervous about our current squad or lack of one. With Tiny injured in such a low key game doesn't it bring home how fragile our squad is to injuries. The defence is pretty solid and with Phil J in looks even better but take Arteta out of the midfield and Aj from up front and we are really lacking a team sheet taht is going to scare the likes Of wigan.

I think if we lose either AJ or Arteta we could have a real struggle on our hands to stay with the top 10 nevermind the top 6.

I know no one really knows how much money there is to spend but we have spent 4 mil in a season where our revenue from tv and tickets must be above 20 mil and we don't seem to have a board that understand what keeps more money/ investment coming in is a successful team which we are in danger of not having
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