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Everton Could Sell Lescott To Manchester City & Sign Arsenal's Senderos - Report

It seems implausible, but it is being reported that Everton could finally agree to sell their highly-prized defender to Manchester City - and take Arsenal's Swiss misfit in his place, together with

 

According to the Daily Star, Manchester City are close to landing another of their objects of desire - Everton defender Joleon Lescott - despite the Toffees' consistent insistence that they do not intend to sell the England international.

 

However, the new factor in the equation, according to the tabloid paper, is that Everton are lining up Arsenal's Philippe Senderos as a replacement.

 

City's persistence in trying to snare Lescott for a fee of £20 million could finally pay off, according to the report, now that signing Senderos has become an option. Everton had previously rejected offers of £18m and £19m from the big-spending Citizens.

 

Everton manager David Moyes has been adamant that Lescott would not be leaving Goodison Park, and it seems unlikely that the availability of Senderos has suddenly changed the picture.

 

It is distinctly possible that Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger would allow Swiss international Senderos - who spent last season on loan at AC Milan - to leave the Gunners, but less plausible that Moyes would regard him as a viable replacement for the highly-rated Lescott.

 

However, the Toffees would turn a handy profit on such a deal, given that Arsenal reportedly inserted a buy-out clause of £6m for Senderos when they loaned him to Milan.

 

Should City succeed in persuading Everton to sell Lescott for the quoted fee, it would take Mark Hughes' spending this summer to over £112m. In contrast, should Senderos leave Arsenal for £6m, Wenger - having sold Emmanuel Adebayor (£25m) and Kolo Toure (£14m) to City, would have raised some £45m, and (so far) spent just £10m on Belgium defender Thomas Vermaelen from Ajax.

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/08/01/1415380/everton-could-sell-lescott-to-manchester-city-sign-arsenals

 

 

mmm thoughts?

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I'd call him the Tony Hibbert of CB.

 

He's a rock in that he can tackle, head and jump, but is prone to the occasional error and is uncomfortable on the ball. Would be good next to Jags. Not sure about Yobo :S

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I'd rather have Senderos than Gary Cahill lol.

 

I think if we sign him and sell Lescott, then we will be able to move on and bring in some top quality players. Because lets face it, where not going to get anywhere with the money we have atm. If we can just bring in a replacement for Lescott (Senderos) and sell Lescott for 18 to 25 million, then we will be able to put this behind us and grab some new players. Because all I hear everyday is Lescott this, Lescott that and personally I'd rather he just go (as long as we get a replacement first) and have it over and done with. :)

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I rate Senderos kinda highly. He has a rock mentality and is quite intelligent, despite some of his mistakes.

 

If Lescott got sold, it would be good and bad. I'll start with the good. We'd get money. I don't think we have money at the moment. The dough would allow us to fill our right midfield liability, and with Lescott gone we'd need to buy a Left Back for cover.

 

The bad is that Lescott is a safe option to start the season at least 'ok' when it comes to the back 4. When the new guy (if it be Senderos, Michael Turner, Gary Cahill) or whoever comes in, he'll have to hold that position until October. An irregular to our style of play, and obsolete to our pre season. It is risky, but if City keep going the way they are I can assure that Lescott will go.

 

Lets look at Senderos again. I like him. But will he be able to bang bang bang adapt before August 15 as the number one guy until October? I know as it is, Moyes wants another CB on top of Lescott (because he thinks we'll keep him) so it probably wouldn't just be Senderos coming in for DC. But still, he'd be our main dude.

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Senderos is a big no from me, just the other day I was stating how poor he is. He is far too error prone, if AC Milan don't want to take up an option to buy at £6m and Arsenal don't want him, why is he good enough for us. Big mistake to buy him. For every good tackle there is a lapse of concentration. Back up for £2m maybe, to replace Joleon, no chance.

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Here's a quote from an Arsenal forum.

 

Senderos is a good, intelligent defender, but he can be a bit clumsy. He also breaks down completely when he makes a mistake - if Moyes can get that out of his game, he has a good defender with a lot of experience despite his young age.

 

So between the lines, he's shite, unless Moyes can save his arse. :lol:

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So if Senderos is a no, then what are our alternatives?

 

 

Turner from Hull, Wes Brown, Distin, Cahill, Hangeland, Dunne, Richards, Onuha, Lucas Neill, Carvalho? (would be awesome if we could), Ryan Nelson

 

All of these stand out in the mind for being solid, not senderos, go on any Arsenal forum and you will see what they think of him. We can get better than Senderos.

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Turner from Hull, Wes Brown, Distin, Cahill, Hangeland, Dunne, Richards, Onuha, Lucas Neill, Carvalho? (would be awesome if we could), Ryan Nelson

 

All of these stand out in the mind for being solid, not senderos, go on any Arsenal forum and you will see what they think of him. We can get better than Senderos.

I would take all those in bold before I'd consider Senderos. At least in the likes of Brown, Neill and Richards they can all fill in at right back as well. We should remember that if Lescott leaves we have also lost a versatile player who can play at left back.

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Senderos is a big no from me, just the other day I was stating how poor he is. He is far too error prone, if AC Milan don't want to take up an option to buy at £6m and Arsenal don't want him, why is he good enough for us. Big mistake to buy him. For every good tackle there is a lapse of concentration. Back up for £2m maybe, to replace Joleon, no chance.

 

Because they both play champions league and we don't. And they have cover at cb and we don't. I'm not saying he would be my 1st choice, but he's better than some we've been linked with

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Turner from Hull, Wes Brown, Distin, Cahill, Hangeland, Dunne, Richards, Onuha, Lucas Neill, Carvalho? (would be awesome if we could), Ryan Nelsen

 

All of these stand out in the mind for being solid, not senderos, go on any Arsenal forum and you will see what they think of him. We can get better than Senderos.

 

Most of those are not alternatives though, Im not sure why people mention Wes Brown he will get more time on the pitch this season with Neville being past his best. Distin is 31 he would be a good short term player but would cost to much and looks like signing a new contract with Pompey, Hangeland would be a great player for us but not a sniff of him coming here he would cost far to much, Richards could be a possiblity but would pose a huge risk as his form in the past few seasons a rapidly declined, Dunne is not good enough to be a starting player he would be a good squad player nothing more, Onuha has just sighed a five year contract, Lucas Neill is avarage at best not good enough and Carvalho! not in a million years would he come here his wages will be huge and if he leaves Chelsea he will go to a big European team, And Ryan Nelson is 31 and avarage at best.

 

Im not a huge fan of Senderos at one point he looked top class at Arsenal but had great players around him, As some have pointed out he is prone to mistakes but at the right price and it would have to be quite low i'd say take a punt on him but only if he was very cheap.

 

I think we should go for St Ledger myself he's young has more then enough potential he would be my pick of players out of the Championship and can also cover RB well.

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Another Arsenal forum quote:

 

Probably my main complaint and I suppose my own stubborn opinion towards him. I don't see him as a defender in this day and age, but I definitely see him as a good defender in just under a decades time. It really depends on the manager at the time and the make-up of the team exactly. No use being in a Wenger side who is trying to flourish under a Dutch-pseudo French playstyle of attacking football.

 

Moyes might do some good in Everton. All the best for him if he switches.

 

The question we need to ask ourselves is:

 

Will he fill Lescott's gap? No use in him 'being good in 4 years' when we have a mini crisis now. But maybe he could be worth 6 million now, and 20 million in 4 years. Who knows. But then again, we could get Neill for 6 million and we'd only get like 2 seasons out of him.....

 

Senderos is a good long term investment. But we have problems now. That's the issue.

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wes browns injured again..we wont pay niells wages richards will stay where he is...id take distan...anyone like ryan shawcross i think hes a collossus and will improve with experience...scores vital goals too.

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Issue i have with senderos is his proness to errors and whilst he would be a tempory replacement, come Jags return. It would scare the shit outta me that Senderos and Joey (who is prone to a few mistakes himself) would be like letting floodgates open at either end. If Moyes could iron the mistakes out, you have a very very good player (evident early Arse years and national team performances) and someone who potentially could get better? Carvallho would be agood shout but no way in hell would it happen. He's a title winning team player!

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So if Senderos is a no, then what are our alternatives?

 

Didn't Moyes say that he eventually sees Rodwell at CB? I would think that Moyes would put Rodwell in, and probably get a young lower division CB as a back-up. I think Rodwell is going to be one of the best players in the prem in a couple of years, so I would put faith in him... other-wise i would try and get Richards as part of the deal (would have said Onouha but hes just signed a new deal)

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If I was moyes now, I would sign Senderos, and try to get Richards and 15 million for Lescott. ( final offer to them ) We would have a solid defense still and an extra 15 million to get us a Defour/Veloso type player.

 

---------------HOWARD------------

RICHARDS-SENDEROS-JAGIELKA-BAINES

---------VELOSO-----ARTETA-------

-----FELLAINI--CAHILL----PIENAAR-

---------------YAKUBU------------

 

Looking alot better.

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maybe sign the two as we need them...for me cahill is better of the two.

are you for real? what has gary cahill ever done in his career, I cant remember Bolton keeping many cleensheets last season, we need a quick defender, I would definatly go in for Senderos if we have the money but what do people see in cahill ive never seen him show anything of quality.

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If I was moyes now, I would sign Senderos, and try to get Richards and 15 million for Lescott. ( final offer to them ) We would have a solid defense still and an extra 15 million to get us a Defour/Veloso type player.

 

---------------HOWARD------------

RICHARDS-SENDEROS-JAGIELKA-BAINES

---------VELOSO-----ARTETA-------

-----FELLAINI--CAHILL----PIENAAR-

---------------YAKUBU------------

 

Looking alot better.

 

I said it once before, there is 0 chance of you getting Richards. Just like there was with Onuoha.

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I said it once before, there is 0 chance of you getting Richards. Just like there was with Onuoha.

 

To be honest i dont know why people would want him here in the first place he is turning into a waste of space, Over the last two seasons he seems to have lost his way in a very unstable and inconsistant City team. I would have had him a few seasons ago but not now we could de better with what it would cost to bring him here.

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To be honest i dont know why people would want him here in the first place he is turning into a waste of space, Over the last two seasons he seems to have lost his way in a very unstable and inconsistant City team. I would have had him a few seasons ago but not now we could de better with what it would cost to bring him here.

 

It is true he has lost his way but for a defender that is so young he has massive amounts of experience and has enormous amounts of potential. He has years to go before he reaches his prime yet. Similar to Onuoha except that Onuoha had a good season last season as opposed to Richards. It was a bit of a set back for Richards but he still has a long way to go yet and if he does ever reach his full potential he will be immense. It's a big IF though as like you said, he seems to have lost his way a bit.

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are you for real? what has gary cahill ever done in his career, I cant remember Bolton keeping many cleensheets last season, we need a quick defender, I would definatly go in for Senderos if we have the money but what do people see in cahill ive never seen him show anything of quality.

yes im for real ive watched cahill on a number of occasions hes not had a bad game against us some people just dont spot good players until they see them every week.

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Look Senderous has bags of potential, but so did Danny Cadametri and look what happened to him. The facts don't lie, Milan didn't want and neither do Arsenal. Some of you are HOPING he can produce the goods because it's likely he has signed to replace Lescott, however I'm extremely upset because we simply can't afford to give him time to grow. Hence why Hangerland would have been a far better signing, if we had the money.

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Look Senderous has bags of potential, but so did Danny Cadametri and look what happened to him. The facts don't lie, Milan didn't want and neither do Arsenal.

 

....and Dortmund didn't want Pienaar.

 

Real Sociadad didn't want Arteta.

 

City don't want Jo but if he plays like he did today all season he could be a huge asset.

 

By your logic we wouldn't have signed any of them because "the facts don't lie."

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Can't see a problem with him, like Mike said Pienaar and Arteta were unwanted and look at them. Hopefully Lescott won't leave but if he does we'll need a replacement sharpish, and if we wait until we've sold Lescott then the selling club will be asking for more cash because we're desperate and have cash.

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20 mil for Lescott, hell yes, Senderos will do us just fine...

 

 

I agree, apperently we need the money to get something done.

And the doubt about Lescott and incoming transfers has gone on long enough now.

 

I rate senderos pretty highly, hopefully a year non-active at Milan didn't leave to much marks on his play.

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....and Dortmund didn't want Pienaar.

 

Real Sociadad didn't want Arteta.

 

City don't want Jo but if he plays like he did today all season he could be a huge asset.

 

By your logic we wouldn't have signed any of them because "the facts don't lie."

 

Ok fair cop. But while the players you mentioned were diamonds in the rough, I've had Arsenal fans laughing at me because Senderous may face them on the opening day. I've been wrong plenty of times, let's hope Senderous if he does come can prove me wrong once again.

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HELL NO!!!!!

 

Senderos is poor. If we do sell lescott (and its looking more likely by the day) then I hope we bring in someone a lot better than him, for me i would prefer yobo and jags as starting and get a decent youngster in and use the cash on other area's of the team. Would even prefer getting Dunne in the lescott deal and that says something.

 

Already dissapointed with our transfer activity so far this pre season - getting senderos would be a sign of us goin backwards.

 

Sorry for the negative mail as Im normally positive but he has proven on many occasions that he just cant cut it in the premiership, moyes can turn a lot of seemingly average players into top class but he isnt a magician! :(

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HELL NO!!!!!

 

Senderos is poor. If we do sell lescott (and its looking more likely by the day) then I hope we bring in someone a lot better than him, for me i would prefer yobo and jags as starting and get a decent youngster in and use the cash on other area's of the team. Would even prefer getting Dunne in the lescott deal and that says something.

 

Already dissapointed with our transfer activity so far this pre season - getting senderos would be a sign of us goin backwards.

 

Sorry for the negative mail as Im normally positive but he has proven on many occasions that he just cant cut it in the premiership, moyes can turn a lot of seemingly average players into top class but he isnt a magician! :(

 

 

 

moyes is a magician didnt u see what he did last season with so many injuries... :blink: lol

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At the end of the day Moyes has come out and said that we need to strengthen at the back over the transfer window, so whether Senderos was to join or not, I don't think it signals anything about the Lescott situation. As far as a player I think Senderos would be a brilliant signing for us, as over the past couple of transfer windows David Moyes hasn't managed to bring in any of the marquee players he wants to take us to the next level. Although Senderos hasn't been able to reach his full potential over the past few years, he has still trained and played at the top level in Europe and has vital champions league experience as well as international experience. From missing out on Owen I think Moyes felt any marquee player would give Everton the boost to start the season well and stop a repeat of the first couple of months that we had at the start of last season. In the current market, the money we will spend on Senderos is relatively cheap for a player with good potential and it is not as if we are buying another Van Der Meyde, as this is a player who is committed and proffessional. Other than all this, it would also give us another player participating in the 2010 World Cup, which I am sure all Evertonians will agree adds an extra special element to International Tournaments.

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Think they all got the story from the arsenal blog site - lazy journalism. SSN have only have it down as a possibilty so far

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I would have him either as back up or to replace lescott. People keep saying he prone to errors, but so was rio ferdinand at 24.

 

I agree, i think Moyes could iron the lad out, as im sure he's capable of being given the confidence to. I'm a pro-senderos fan.

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Taking forever to decide if we want to bid for a player as usual

 

 

you don't actually know that though, there could be a deal being sorted behind the scenes, or everton might not even be interested in him?

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Another target we are mulling over, until somebody comes in, offers a fee and then walks off with the player.

We must be the worst club ever at dealing in the transfer market.

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As frustrating as it is, the transfer market for this summer isn't in full swing yet. So many sides have still got a lot to do and we just happen to be one of those clubs. Too much panic and not enough understanding of the complexities...

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If we'd signed this donkey then Everton would have confirmed it by now. If we're even after him there must still be details to be sorted out.

 

how do you come to the conclusion that senderos is a donkey! he has played for one of the top four in england regularly for 5 years and had one season at one of the biggest clubs in the world (milan). his first couple of seasons at arsenal he looked class and then went off the boil slightly due to a couple of high profile mistakes, also over the last few years at arsenal their defence has had no real protection as the likes of viera and gilberto have been allowed to leave and nobody has replaced them leaving the defence more exposed. even seasoned professionals like gallas and toure have looked poor at times for arsenal

 

i'm not saying the lads a world beater but he would be a good addition whether lescott stays or goes

 

by the way it weren't too long ago that lescott was atrocious and many blues were calling for him to be droppped cos his form was so bad, so i think you're goin a bit o.t.t. with that comment mate

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OMG :(

I really really hope he has been brought in as cover and that Moyes has a better target lined up to replace lescott (if he goes) if he stays then personally im not a senderos fan but I would prefer him coming off the bench than moving rodwell back there at the moment.

 

Life is not easy being a blues fan but hey I wouldnt have it any other way :)

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I love automatic translation :P .

 

In the footsteps of Marc Hottiger

Everton will be trained by the Scots David Moyes. The squad is well-known names such as Phil Neville, Louis Saha, Tim Cahill, Steven Pienaar and Tim Howard occupied. The homestead is the Goodison Park Senderos is Marc Hottiger (1995 to 1997) the second Swiss, when the Liverpoolern under contract.

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I really dont know what the problem is with Senderos yes he is far from world class and prone to the odd mistake but then again non of our current crop are world class nor do they never make mistakes.

 

He's still young enough to iron out flaws in his game or at least improve in certain area's, He also has a good number of games under his belt at the highest level and his experience in Europe will surely come in handy. I like Lescott he's a good defender but nothing more he's far from world class unlike some seem to be making out since City came knocking and looks half the player when not paired with Jags and im quite confident Moyes can find someone to fill his boots is it Senderos who know's if the rumour is true then i guess time will tell.

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