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Well I'm certainly not enjoying the return to Sam Allardyce defensive football at the moment. However, I've just looked up that the Bundesliga has only had 12 different clubs win it since 1963. Not exactly a great model for every club having a chance to win it. I think I'm just bitter that I think we had our shot with a large amount of money to invest with Moshiri and we completely fucked it up. A club like Newcastle now gets to learn from us exactly how not to do it and with a manager we aledgedly overlooked a number of times.

I agree. However, would you describe the Bundesligue as entertaining, globally appealing and won by a variety of clubs every year?

I think this js great in Theory. In practice I just don't see it working or happening. The admin of this is a huge overhead and would take a lot to set-up. As this forum demonstrates daily (as it should), different fans have different views on how things should be done on everything the club does on and off the pitch. When you're putting your own money in to something most people will expect to have more of a say. Co-ordinating the clarity of a collective single fan voice would be a nightmare. Could you imagine let's say £50M for players is raised through your model. Who decides how it gets spent? Fans would not agree on a single amazing player vs 3 prospects. If the 3 prospects turn out to be crap and if the single amazing player gets 8njured in his first match, how long before your average fan stops the subscription payment? How do you forecast subscription levels 3 or 4 years out to see what player wages you can afford for players? It becomes very easy to spend beyond your means if subscription levels drop for any reason. I think the German league has a part fan ownership mandated? But I think this is always a minority stake and is mainly there to have a voice as opposed to raise investment? We need serious investment and money and I don't think your model above would raise enough on its own. I would seriously be elated to be proven wrong.

As I've said previously in this thread back on August 14th... The 777 model is to drive additional revenue through the fan base. 777 also own insurance companies, credit companies etc. They're looking for fans to buy Everton branded insurance etc. Our revenue through sponsorships etc. ranks very well (8th best I think) given where we've finished in league in recent seasons. We're regarded as performing well here. I fully expect season tickets, items purchased at the ground and for these Everton branded products to be pushed at us through membership and websites etc. Success needs money to invest. Money to invest for football clubs either comes from sugar daddy owners or the fans. The global size of fanbase ultimately drives sponsorship revenues . Global fanbase primarily grows based on success. So it's sugar daddy or fans. I'd suggest Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea are your sugar daddy model and Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Tottenham are your fan funded model. Which is it you want?

Name me one successful Premiership club ( that has won something or consistently qualifies for Europe that is run as a sound business "focusing on improving squad value and lowering squad costs". Yes we need to be a better run club, but it is still good and large investment in players that wins stuff. This is not an ownership model where we will start to win stuff again for me.

I keep on saying it. He can't play because no matter when he has the odd good game, he CONSISTENTLY gives goals away through either incompetence or simply not being switched on.

Is it? And I'm not saying that it is or it isn't. If I read the article correctly they want to be prudent with money. It said they want expand commercial revenue especially match day revenue in line with new stadium as opposed to them forward investing like Todd Boehy. So, I read this as.... we will charge more for season tickets, food, drinks and everything associated with match day spending. I.e. we want the fan base to be our funding engine and spend what we collect from them. That way as investors we don't have to risk lots of our own money . I think this is sound running of a business, but is this the way to get Everton back in to Europe and a regular top 6 team?

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And if we can't get shot of them this window (which we won't) , Gomes wages at £120k a week and Holgate wages at £70k a week to free up to spend on MUCH better players!

I don't think our expectations are unreasonable. I think we all know we're a mid table team at this point. However, when there are teams like Brighton and Brentford who have A LOT LESS resources and money and are making MUCH smarter transfer decisions with much better scouting than us then I think we have every right to question how we've been running things and to demand to do much better. Given we're just out the top 6 of commercial revenue Everton should be the leader in innovation of data analysis and scouting to find the talent that the bigger clubs at this moment in time are missing because they are more likely to go for the ready proven known entities. This is ultimately the ONLY way we're going to build and to get in and become established in the very top tier again.

I've not looked so I don't know, but wouldn't who the opposition were in Coady's games vs Keane's also need to be taken into account? Personally I don't think either is good enough for us. Keane just keeps on giving the ball away or makes a mistake at key moments to give a goal or at least an opportunity away. If Keane played every game in a season you would probably need to accept that you're going to give the opposition 3 or 4 goals away for free.

His role is to grow commercial revenues. So sponsorships, everton online shop and city stores, matchday business entertaining packages etc Your questions would be more for CFO/ Finance Director.

48 hours?

Our version of Andy Carroll. Great player when fit and on the pitch. Very rarely fit or on the pitch....

We look shite going forward. Branthwaite looking good at the back tho!

Well that's good news.

Depends if there is a "worse than local player" allocation

Everton fans have the LOWEST optimism ahead of the next season https://mol.im/a/12309949 Sorry for it being DM story. Would love to know who the 8% are!! Not Haf obviously

History is littered with bit part average players in great teams that have medals and trophies. Ashley Young is one of those. Take Ashley Young out of that Man Utd team and replace with any slightly above average player and they still win what they did.

Anything over £35k a week is too much. We must be mad selling a 17 year old left back who has played for England at every level up to Under 21 for next to nothing and then buy in a 37 year has been who was never even that great when he was in his prime 7+ years ago. We are seriously f***ed if this what our transfer window is going to be like Might as well get it over and done with and just ask to be put in the championship.

This represents everything we shouldn't be doing in the Transfer Market. Way passed his prime. Definitely not an improvement on any player we have and high wages. I can't tell you how angry it makes me feel that we would even for a second consider this as a good option.

Sorry not for me. Not good enough. Don't see him as an upgrade on any winger we have. £20m on more averageness we should be avoiding.

Damn the TT spelling police! Cleverley...:) Tbf it is autocorrecting (not a real word) to Cleverly.