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I've had a bit of a dig around on this and can only really find that they were getting the *metadata, can you link to anything that proves they went beyond that with private citizens? *our government recently passed legislation that requires ISP's to hold metadata for a certain period of time, which law enforcement can access under certain circumstances.

You see, you are just repeating things that aren't true now, I have posted a link to the head structural engineer who said there was design no calculation for what happened on 9/11, the calculation they used was for a 707, lost in fog or low on fuel, flying at low speed. (there was no calculaation for the fuel on board) Those pages you linked suggest that the planes should have just bounced of the building which there is no scientific consensus for, velocity is everything, water can cut steel if its travelling fast enough Look at the way this ping pong ball goes through this paddle like its not even there, impossible according to those pages you linked to. The thing about those pages you linked to is they don't care about the quality of the content, because they're not about getting to the truth, they're click bait.

Typical conspiracy theory tactic there though Bill, compare apples with oranges put it in nifty photo and and then say "evidence" Here's the German Wings crash site which would be a more reasonable comparison

I've just said I know nothing about that, so hardly "acting like I know everything", just because I know something about construction methods and understand why those buildings collapsed doesn't mean I believe that no government agency has ever done anything wrong. And just because the NSA have been monitoring people online, doesn't mean the they also brought down the towers and killed Kennedy. All you can do is assess things on their merits, and there is zero merit in the arguments that 9/11 was an inside job, its not like it just happened, it's had plenty of time to be analysed I entertained the idea of something not being right when I saw WTC 7 comedown, early on after the event, but only until I saw how it was built.

I don't know anything about it to be honest, I've recorded a doco on the IQ box but haven't got around to watching it. Was it not just metadata they were recording?

Not music but pretty entertaining podcast Athletico Mince, supposed to be at least 8% football but most of that is taking the piss out of Steve McLaren https://athleticomince.com/

Apology accepted.

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We know the truth, its been very well explained and demonstrated and that has been done using science, the article you posted there is a tin foil hat piece without a single reference to back up its quite frankly garbage claims, most of which have been easily debunked years ago. When you're pedalling that type of garbage spare a thought for the people who died and the people they left behind who have to listen and read the shit.

I'm not sure what picture you're referring to?

That is exactly what happened at the point of impact, once that went that was it, the top part literally crushed the lower part, hence why the building that got hit second collapsed first, more weight above, Force = Mass x Acceleration (Lukaku's main strength ) This video is pretty good for the layman to understand, goes into the reasons they designed/engineered it the way they did and why that made it susceptible to what happened.

Yeah ok, all these reports cost 1 million, and all the academics who prepared them conspired with government agencies to murder their own citizens so they could invade Iraq and find no WMD, yeah it all adds up, why didn't I see this before? O_o The building was not designed to withstand what happened and by the structural engineer's own admission, if they had tried to design for such an event, then it's unlikely it would have been able to have been done.

Just picked the car up from a service and the mechanic has: Changed the spark plugs (only done 6 months ago, $600 for 6 plugs plus one new coil) Changed the brake fluid (had the entire brake system done 4 weeks ago at a different mechanic because this guy couldn't fit me in, $1500)\ How would he have determined those things needed doing? Today was $850 for what was essentially an oil change and some items that didn't need doing, unless I was ripped off last time. :/

Funny you mention religion, one of the main proponents of the controlled demolition hypothesis is a Physicist called Steve Jones, he also wrote this: http://www.bastison.net/RESSOURCES/Farce/57_Jones_Jesus.pdf

It didn't just blame fires and its not a load of old cobblers its a full investigation carried out by people qualified to do it, they're not Mossad agents, they're academics who do that for a living. If I typed Madrid Towers into my search engine, I would find a completely different building, it had a concrete core, not steel framed, the steel part did collapse and the building had to be demolished afterwards. Occam's razor, works every time.

Not sure if its already been posted earlier on but found this and the subsequent post-vote video quite eye opening

First thing to do is don't watch youtube videos, they're sensationalised, misrepresent "evidence" and the arguments contained within have by and large been debunked over the last 10 years, which hasn't stopped them getting wackier and wackier. If you're genuinely interested the NIST reports are a good starting point. https://www.nist.gov/engineering-laboratory/final-reports-nist-world-trade-center-disaster-investigation

There's more chance that was faked that there is of 9/11 being an inside job.

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As single-minded as Hafnia can be on this subject he typically does proffer arguments to accompany his opinion , you've offered nothing there except an attempt at a troll, I would request that you withdraw and apologise with an undertaking that you will refrain from such behaviour going forward.

He's only minding the fort until Usmanov gets here. We should go all out in the next window to sign Payet

Man, I was absolutely devastated when he sign for those we don't mention. What a player.

His own behaviour has hampered his progression, I have always assumed its another way of saying someone shot themselves in the foot.