RuffRob

We are where we are now - and it is up to everybody on the clubs payroll to do their very best for the club. Meaning James to play the best he can under the instruction and system of his manager and his manager to try and get the best system possible to work with the tools he has available to him, which now looks like it will included James. James has not been a flop, he has been decent to excellent when he has been on the pitch, over a whole season he has been an OK signing, especially in this first year in the Prem. The problem with him is that he as not been consistently OK - he has ranged from MotM performances to being a passenger/liability or simply just not available. Some people focus on his MotM performances and some on his passenger performances. He splits opinion and nobodies opinion is really wrong because on any given day one - he can boss a game or deliver the moment of quality or it can pass right by him. Benitez job now is going to be trying to get James on the pitch in games where he thinks he can get his MotM performances and leave him out of the games where he sees a risk of the game passing him by. Trouble this is very very hard to do, especially in the Premiership - for any manager. I see James being used as an impact sub, when something is needed in the last quarter of the game and maybe when others legs are a little bit tired and the running and pressing has slowed down a little. If you start James regular I am pretty sure Premiership teams would target him as a 'soft belly' of our team. But no point in them setting up to do that if he doesn't start.

Its a shame the Mailand Niles move didn't come off. Think he would have given us excellent cover over a number of positions. Something tells me Arsenal where maybe trying to squeeze us to an Iwobi type obligation to buy transfer fee. We may have learnt our lesson in paying inflated fees on deadline day!!.

ha. I wonder what percentage we asked for in a sell on fee? usually ranges 10-20%. Hopefully show a 'profit' from our operations this season and maybe get back to some sort of normality in transfer spending in the coming seasons. Maybe something in between the reckless spending we have witness in past half decade and penny pinching bargain basement spending of this summer. What this year has shown is that there is always good deals about if you have keen eye and the willing to use this market. We need to get a good mix. The players we have brought in all seem to be keen and hungry.

It will be interesting to see how he gets on. He arrived with a bit of a fanfare (at least on social media) in last years transfer window. Came in very much as the marquee signing to work under a manager who he knew would endulge him and let him play his game. All very different for him nearly 12months later, he has lost much of his gloss at both club football and at National level. Lets hope is willing to get his head down and give this season a good crack and prove his doubters wrong.

What have we got that is that different players who carried us through last season. Keeper OUT - Olsen, Virginia IN - Begavic, Lonergan - Similar level of cover Defensive OUT - Niels (loan) , IN - Kenny and Branthwaite (back from loan), We are so week with cover at both RB & LB - Maitland Niles not coming not coming is a disappointment as he is able to cover both. Middle IN - Gbamin (Fit - fingers crossed) Forward OUT - King, Bernard and unfortunately Gylfi IN - Grey, Townsend, Rondon?, Gordon and Simms (both back from loan) Maybe marginally stronger than at the end of last year, if Gbamin stays fit and Rondon deal crosses the line. Gylfi being out is a blow to this squad.

been a quite transfer window all around. clubs just not willing to pay asking prices. Shame we couldn't get the Arsenal lad or Van De Beek in on loan. Think Man U missed a trick - Van De Beek could have help us nick points from their rivals.

Well it looks like he will be here for the season and I am sure Benitiez is not as stubborn or blinkered as say Zidane and will make the best use of him that he can. We are not blessed with a squad bursting with quality, so I am sure he will be used as much as possible and as needed. Once the window is shut them everybody's minds are then properly focused. I would like to hope James is professional enough to try and make the best of the situation and Benitez too. They are both professional and being paid very good money. James will want to put himself if a shop window for next season, so should want to impress potential future employers as well as his current manager and us fans. As much as would have been happy enough to see him go this window (if a replacement was brought in!) - I will be cheering him on every time he lines up.

all a bit of a damp squib of a transfer deadline day really.

It not so much about payment its about how they are accounted for in the books to meet FFP etc. You might pay up in year one, but you can spread the cost over a players contact within the accounts. i.e you pay £30M upfront but you still spread the cost in the accounts over say 5 years of a players contract (£6M a year) So in year one up can say we spend £6M within the accounts, where as you actually pay out £30M. You obviously still need a funding pot to pay - Moshiri in our case. The funding pot and how you pay or your liquidity (A upfront lump some, 2 instalments, 3 instalments and so on) is different to amortization of the fee you paid for a player and which is presented in the accounts are two very different things. Our liquidity is good, as Moshiri is happily putting money in. Our problem is we are not 'sustainable or profitable rule' under premiership financial rules, which is slightly different to FFP. Like I have said no club has ever broke the Premier League 'Sustainability and Profitability rule' we are extremely close to being the first club to do so (we broke it last year, but got a COVID get out of jail pass), they are instead going to allow us (an other premiership teams) to average last year with this year - so we have to get our shit together financially this accounting year. We could be given fines, transfer bans or points deductions. So I would rather see us have a lean year in order to avoid being the first club punished under this rule. Its simply the former years spending coming back to haunt us.

https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-fc-news/sky-sports-reporter-hints-at-everton-move-for-tottenhams-matt-doherty a late runner for right back.

that is quite amazing to turn down and then watch him walk away for nothing.

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/08/31/luis-diaz-can-join-everton-before-deadline-if-mbappe-completes-madrid-move/ surely not!!! No time. Somebody just trying to whip a bit of deadline day drama!!

You can't just effectively wipe any figures off the books as we don't effectively 'sell' Kean for another two years. Kean is still an Everton player (he is just out on loan) and the fee we paid for him will continue to be accounted for through amortization for the final two years of his contract with us. Lets say we paid £28M for him on a four years contract. So his purchase fee goes through our accounts as £7M a year over his the term of his contract (plus wages). This is already on our books, we can't just write it off, until a transfer fee comes through the door. When we submit our next set of accounts in summer next year Kean's cost on the accounts will be £7M - £3M (loan fee), so £4M burden (based on the assumption Juve cover his wages penny for penny and I believe Kean is on around the £35K-£40K mark and nowhere near £100K). This season we save £3M (loan fee) and his wages (which I would estimate closer to £2M). Even though there is a contract in place where Juve promise to buy him for £28M in two year time - this means nothing in this years annual accounts, we get to wipe nothing else off just yet. This sale will only be of benefit in the 23/24 accounts, but it will be a massive benefit in those year as we are still having to 'paying off' Kean's original transfer fee through amortization within this and the year afters financial accounts. In 23/24 it is all profit as Kean will have a net balance of zero on our account in that year. We either use amortization in our accounting or we don't, you can't have it both ways - which some of you are doing in your accounting. I think Rondon will want more wages as a free transfer and/or modest signing on fee - so think will cost more than the £2.5M you are suggesting. There will not be much change in my eyes from the £5M we might have saves on Kean's loan. I think if there is £1M saved this financial year we will be doing well. Unfortunately this Kean pay day will not really hit the all important accounts until 23/24 and it will be a very health hit as all Kean's purchase cost will no longer be on the books by them. It does not help us much this year though. So as much as some say otherwise there is an important difference between as outright sale and loan.

https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/everton-fc-transfer-rumours/everton-james-to-porto-very-difficult/ and this afternoon it is now a shade under £135k a week. Personally - I think the £135k-£140k is probably realistic in what we are paying him (without the covid deferral)

Depends on what you read when and where. I have also read £7M a year and other figures. I have also read that the £90K is his COVID deferred salary - and his real salary is £140K and deferred amount has to be made up in better times (like the whole squad)!! https://princerupertstower.com/2021/08/31/everton-luis-diaz-james-rodriguez-porto/ you or I don't really know his real salary - but he has been quoted as the best paid player at the club a few times. What ever it is, its a lot of money. And that is where the fine line is. Is he more of a 'match winner' than anybody else who would be in the side in his place - for example Grey. Who is maybe on half or even less money. Maybe not as cultured a passer as James, but effective and a match winner in other ways. You think he is a liability and doesn't pick up the slack, just like I think he has got a wand of a foot at times. We all love and hate what he does at times. Great player - liability of a player - unavailable player!!!. Hard to build a 'system' to accommodate him, and a mistake to try to hard too. He has to be an bench impact player in time when a plan B is needed. The undeniable truth is that other clubs do not seem to be falling over themselves to take him off our hands - even for free. This speaks volumes in itself.

exactly this, its style over substance. I have loved seeing him craft a pass, but all round the package as a whole isn't enough for me given the wages. Need to underline this Ancelotti/James chapter and move on with Benitez at the helm with his more balanced apprach.

paying players £200k a week and who are only providing 'options' against weak teams sounds like a recipe for disaster for a club in our financial situation. Not sure we are in a position to be paying that much to players form the heartbeat of the team yet. I also don't think he is the 'proven' match winner or the player that makes the difference against top 4 teams, he is equally a liability and the weak link in such games.

Argument is about when you can put things through the accounts and thus spend against them. This is want FFP etc is about - meeting accounting rules. There is notable difference in loan and transfer. Financially, it would be far far more beneficial for us to have transfer Kean today for £38M than it has been to loan him for two years and then get a fee for two seasons and then sell him in two years time. It would have made a significant difference to this years accounts. Which are the crux of our problem at the moment. Maybe the difference in potentially being able to purchase a £30M player over a £10M player this window. On our balance sheet will still hold Kean as our player and is thus still a financial liability over the next two seasons (the spreading of transfer fee payments you talk about - they have not gone away), even though a loan fee will cover most this liability.

we have got no fucking money to spend this financial cycle and selling Kean in two years time doesn't change that. His loan fee is all that can be counted towards this year finances - However, his initial transfer fee will be amortisised on our books already - so he has a cost to us this season less his loan fee. We are making fuck all yet. we can't yet go out and buy another £30M player, as we will not be able to balance the accounts as needed THIS financial cycle. we will be ahead of the game come 23/24, but not today. we can plan for future spending, but this only has minimal impact on current spending.

We are currently sailing very close to the wind the Premier Leagues remit of 'sustainability and profitability'. Due to the pandemic a bit of averaging is going to be allowed over two season to get within the remit (on top of a COVID loss adjustment that will be afforded to all teams). Given our horrendous loss in the last lot of account, the next set HAVE to bring the two year average down - or we could get penalised (what we don't know as nobody has broken these rules yet - but we are very close). The £28M transfer fee payable in two years time does diddle squat to this seasons accounts - which are key.

you are getting two things mixed up. I know all about spreading payment and amortisation. This will all start in a couple of years time when we start to get the transfer fee. We can't spend this agreed transfer fee now, (or put in the accounts as cash), not more that we can put our season 23/24 TV money or gates recipes through this years books. We know it's is coming - but we can't put it through this seasons account can we? it Has to wait to the 23/24 accounts. On the accounts Moise kean is STILL an Everton player, and are currently only loaning to Juventus. We now have a loan fee for this years accounts. This years loan fee of 3M euros is all that can be put in this seasons accounts. Why do you think this is a two year loan rather than juve just spreading a 38M Euro fee over 5 year contract? Not a penny of the 28M can help us out with this problem season finances wise, only the 3M euro loan fee.

he's definitely on the Arsenal naughty step today.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marcel-brands-just-secured-one-21441168 sums it up quite well.

yes, he is definitely a very good 'option' in say home games against weaker team like Norwich. However, so called world class players costing £10M a year in wages have to offer more than options in games that we should actually still win without him. If we are paying one player world class £10M a year in wages, he needs to be that player who will nick you points against the Top 4 team. James just isn't that player, and is why other clubs are not stampeding to take him off our hands.

just like shares - players values can go down as well as up!! so a bit of a risk either way. He doesn't want to be here, no other/better offers, in 12months time he will then be going in to the final year of his contract. I think given the 'Kean' attitude, then one in the hand is worth two in the bush in his case. he might do wonders in Italy, but not sure he would do the same in England.