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    holystove got a reaction from pete0 in Brexit...   
    "more" blatant?  don't tell me you give any belief to this claim that the EU can somehow force a member state to vote one way or another on anything.
    The only vote the EU will force on the UK is to send members to the EU Parliament, which can hardly be described as a 'disregard of democracy', rather the opposite.
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    holystove reacted to MikeO in Brexit...   
    It's a bit like the passengers on the Titanic having a vote and the majority saying they'd quite like to have a closer look at that iceberg in the distance; captain changes course and goes full steam ahead crying, "the people have spoken!".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47693645



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    holystove reacted to Matt in Brexit...   
    He partly is, France is one of the biggest members after all. I quite like him 
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    holystove reacted to Matt in Brexit...   
    You might as well quote Fox News at me with that "source" and extract  It's not even close to the truth, I already explained how things are actually progressing, despite the Torygraph fear-rags opinion. 
    No, the Swiss don't want to be in the EU because, as they have been for centuries, they want to remain neutral. It says more about them wanting to remain that way than a criticism of the EU. 
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    holystove got a reaction from Matt in Brexit...   
    Pieter Cleppe is a Belgian eurosceptic.  One of those guys you go to if you want a negative EU-quote from a non-English person.
    I think you are holding the EU very strange and oddly high standards.  If a country chooses not to be an EU member, it is undemocratic of the EU to deny them the benefits of membership?
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    holystove reacted to Chach in Brexit...   
    She achieved what could be achieved. 
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    holystove reacted to Louis in Longest Thread!   
    My mother has figured out:
    a. how to use WhatsApp
    b. how to share memes on WhatsApp

    This isn'tt going to end well.
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    holystove reacted to Chach in Brexit...   
    Its pretty clear mate, he's saying if you need to have a vote on the deal your PM has negotiated then we'll give you an extension. But he's also saying the deal that has been negotiated is the one we are prepared to give you and if you want an extension to renegotiate that then don't waste our and your time.
    It shits me to tears that the other states are now going to blamed for the UK's stupid decisions, its all a big conspiracy when the UK has brought this entirely on itself.
    The EU did not have a referendum on the Brexit, the UK did and they are now protecting the interests of the union like any good union would and should.
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    holystove got a reaction from StevO in Brexit...   
    Palfy, there is no way a no-deal brexit will ever benefit France's economy, no matter how much brexit-business moves to Paris.  The country which has gotten the most inward investment up until now from UK-based-companies relocating to the continent is The Netherlands and even for them it won't even put a dent in the hit their economy will take.  There's no hidden agenda or greedy vultures, there's only damage limitation and not letting this process drag on so individual member states (namely France) and the EU can focus on other pressing issues seems like a good strategy given the impasse in UK politics.
    I did say 'economic' ruin, because that is what I believe (short to medium term) will happen.  I hope to be proven wrong.  At least the UK got to vote to inflict this on themselves; the Irish, Dutch, Belgians, .. can only look on in despair as their economies are set to shrink.
    Other than that I refer to the other replies.
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    holystove reacted to MikeO in Difficult one this, but on balance feel the need to post it....   
    And (believe it or not, where does the time go) today is the five year anniversary of my last treatment, which means I'm all clear. I still have one final check to come in May but it's just a formality, five years is the magic number so I'll be around for a while yet. Sorry.
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    holystove got a reaction from Chach in Brexit...   
    Palfy, there is no way a no-deal brexit will ever benefit France's economy, no matter how much brexit-business moves to Paris.  The country which has gotten the most inward investment up until now from UK-based-companies relocating to the continent is The Netherlands and even for them it won't even put a dent in the hit their economy will take.  There's no hidden agenda or greedy vultures, there's only damage limitation and not letting this process drag on so individual member states (namely France) and the EU can focus on other pressing issues seems like a good strategy given the impasse in UK politics.
    I did say 'economic' ruin, because that is what I believe (short to medium term) will happen.  I hope to be proven wrong.  At least the UK got to vote to inflict this on themselves; the Irish, Dutch, Belgians, .. can only look on in despair as their economies are set to shrink.
    Other than that I refer to the other replies.
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    holystove got a reaction from Matt in Brexit...   
    Palfy, there is no way a no-deal brexit will ever benefit France's economy, no matter how much brexit-business moves to Paris.  The country which has gotten the most inward investment up until now from UK-based-companies relocating to the continent is The Netherlands and even for them it won't even put a dent in the hit their economy will take.  There's no hidden agenda or greedy vultures, there's only damage limitation and not letting this process drag on so individual member states (namely France) and the EU can focus on other pressing issues seems like a good strategy given the impasse in UK politics.
    I did say 'economic' ruin, because that is what I believe (short to medium term) will happen.  I hope to be proven wrong.  At least the UK got to vote to inflict this on themselves; the Irish, Dutch, Belgians, .. can only look on in despair as their economies are set to shrink.
    Other than that I refer to the other replies.
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    holystove reacted to Matt in Brexit...   
    He said he would support an extension if the UK made decisions. He said he’d not accept it if things carried on the way they are. 
     
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    holystove got a reaction from Matt in Brexit...   
    It's not just France; Spanish PM has just said the same thing.  Brexit is a side issue for most EU countries who mostly just want it over with.
    If you find yourself in a position where you are dependent on 27 individual countries to save you from (economic) ruin, probably need to look at yourself instead of blaming others, Palfy.
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    holystove got a reaction from Chach in Brexit...   
    The extension debate is very one sided in the UK.  Extension has to be agreed to by the EU.  Under what circumstances would it do so?
    An extension of only a couple of months offers no guarantee of the UK being able to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement.
    A longer extension is problematic because of the European elections.  You can't be a member state of the EU without having directly democratically elected representatives in the European Parliament; the next elections are May 26th.  Nobody wants to see 73 Farages crossing the Channel.  
    I think there is a strong argument to be made to flat out say an extension is not possible.  This way, the UK can stop pretending a "better" deal is only a few (extension- ,  transition- , .. ) months away.  I think Macron is right to take this approach.
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    holystove got a reaction from Matt in Brexit...   
    The extension debate is very one sided in the UK.  Extension has to be agreed to by the EU.  Under what circumstances would it do so?
    An extension of only a couple of months offers no guarantee of the UK being able to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement.
    A longer extension is problematic because of the European elections.  You can't be a member state of the EU without having directly democratically elected representatives in the European Parliament; the next elections are May 26th.  Nobody wants to see 73 Farages crossing the Channel.  
    I think there is a strong argument to be made to flat out say an extension is not possible.  This way, the UK can stop pretending a "better" deal is only a few (extension- ,  transition- , .. ) months away.  I think Macron is right to take this approach.
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    holystove reacted to Bailey in General Election/UK Politics   
    But where does this start and stop? The main parties change their minds all the time and then on the other hand they dont change their judgment when new information comes to light (ie Brexit). How many times has May said something that she has gone back on? Corbyn doesnt even follow the decisions made at their party conference. 
    I get why people would suggest these independents should trigger a fresh election and in 'normal' times I would probably agree with them but the two main parties themselves are that bad that I would like to see more MPs become independent. Generally speaking, I actually think the country would be in a better place and politics would be more transparant if MPs were given more freedom to make their own decisions.
     
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    holystove got a reaction from Matt in General Election/UK Politics   
    The great Ken Clarke on manifesto's
     
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    holystove got a reaction from EFC-Paul in General Election/UK Politics   
    Do you need to ask?
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    holystove got a reaction from Chach in Brexit...   
    pre-referndum Gove should really have a word with post-referendum Gove about "Project Fear".
     
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    holystove got a reaction from Matt in Brexit...   
    pre-referndum Gove should really have a word with post-referendum Gove about "Project Fear".
     
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    holystove got a reaction from MikeO in Brexit...   
    pre-referndum Gove should really have a word with post-referendum Gove about "Project Fear".
     
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    holystove reacted to Matt in Brexit...   
    The lie bit wasn’t aimed st you mate  just frustrated that there’s still so much deception. All will be a lot more clear in a few weeks time, for better or worse. 
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    holystove reacted to Matt in Brexit...   
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    holystove reacted to MikeO in Brexit...   
    You're misrepresenting what he said John as the tabloids doubtless will tomorrow. He was talking about "those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely" and not those who voted for it. He was talking about Johnson, Gove, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc etc obviously but it'll be spun to support the agenda you suggest. You've already done it in your own head as an intelligent man so what hope your average red-top reader?
    Actually I find everything that Johnson says/does amusing as he's a top notch buffoon.
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