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And you are saying a similar thing about Keoman. If Rom had that goal ratio you would be saying it should be judged against the whole season. And that in a nutshell is your problem. I'm not pissed off at all mate, and I'm not the one posting on every thread about Rom writing an essay every time preaching about how shite Rom is while the rest of us recognise his benefits and flaws. As I have said before those stats should be taken in context, as should all and your are being a massive hypocrite considering your responses to other people who have posted stats on here dispelling your Rom myths. Anyway, once again I am going to (try) and leave it there because it's pointless discussing something with someone who has such an entrenched view. Enjoy the game.

Williams was never going to be anything special but he was a solid and cheap buy, what we needed at the time. I can only think that we were expecting to get another CB in as well. IMO he is our most reliable CB but that isn't saying much at the moment.

How good was Costa last year in a shit team though? How far did he run then?

I see Phil Jones has come out in the press to say that our main danger man is Calvert-lewin... oh wait, my mistake, it was Rom.

I give up

Chelsea are a very good side now. They still give up chances but they are lightning on the counter.

This lad proves that it doesn't matter how much talent you have if you don't have enough between the ears to go with it.

What the fuck? U23 black Suarez? Have you ever watched Calvert-Lewin? You ask any player in the Premier league and I imagine Rom would be in the 10 strikers they would least like to face across all teams, not just ours! We shouldn't be relying on Rom chasing down long balls. That tells you the problem lies elsewhere!

In fairness to Baines he has just come back from injury. He looked back to his best at the start of the season. He has always been a player that needs games to get him back to 100%

We will take this back to the Rom thread instead of ruining yet another individual thread.

Think about when you sprint as a striker... generally when the ball is played in front of you or down the channel. You don't do it as much with your back to goal. Now going back to that Chelsea game how many times did Rom get the chance to get in behind or get onto the end of a cross? How many did Costa? That is why Costa has much more impressive stats.

I have already replied to this in the other thread but hopefully we can bring it back to just this one. Pete is completely right, different teams, different style of play and different levels of successful teams. Think of the Chelsea game for example, I would have expected Costa to have run at least twice as much as Lukaku. Costa had space and a team with lots of possession. We were playing useless long balls, and not getting a sniff. I would never say that Lukaku is a workhorse because we don't want him to be one. Get him in the game and he will work his arse off.

You forgot context again Haf, now that's not like you The only like for like player in that list is Costa and they aren't that different, and when you consider the comparitive fortunes of the two clubs, I think Rom compares well. Likewise with Aguero, I didn't say very game he plays and I didn't say PL either. There are games where he has barely had a kick and has been completely on the fringes but City being under Pep there are games where he is getting chance after chance and becoming heavily involved. You put either of those players in our squad and you will see a different set of stats.

Haha I thought you were being serious until that last line and now I know you are on the wind up. Even Osman (I think) said Stones wouldn't have got a look under Moyes. We certainly wouldn't have sold him for £50 mil!

I have only just read this. That last paragraph is exactly what we are seeing. The team isn't pressing properly, the defense is dropping deeper and they have more space to play in. Koeman can clearly see it but is having problems getting his team to do what he wants them too.

I can tell from the reaction in here that everyone is delighted about the official appointment of Southgate!

Red baubles!? How fucking dare he! #Koemanout

Suarez was involved in play against us because we couldn't contain Liverpool. I have watched Aguero a few times this season and everything you are saying could also be levelled at him in those games. We aren't going to agree but if you get Rom in the game he will work his arse off for the team. If you leave him to feed on scraps then you won't. If you want a striker to fo that then buy Shane Long or some other donkey.

We have a chance to upset their defence so let's play a striker out wide and a young lad who has only been here 5 minutes upfront. They will be quaking in their boots.

It might just be a symptom of not winning more than anything.

I won't deny that I would like to see him do more but at the same time I don't see him do any more or less than anyone else, other than Gueye. He makes plenty of runs, he shows for the ball regularly but isn't seeing enough of the ball. You could see it with Ibra last night, as soon as he has people running off him and around him he rolls back the years and plays really well. Lukaku running an extra KM won't do jack at the moment until he gets that support and I would place a pretty hefty bet that if he did get that support he would be running that extra KM or two just by playing his natural game.

I don't understand what you are getting at here. We are talking about a lad becoming a professional footballer and making that leap between promising world class performances and being a world class performer. There are plenty of lads and lasses in the armed forces who aren't the best they can be for one reason or another, plenty older than Ross. Not everyone in the services makes the most of what they have, nor do they anywhere in life. It's a stupid argument and completely out of context to anything even remotely relevant to this topic.

Because he brought in Barkley, Barry, Lukaku, Gerry, Stones etc to the first team, just as Koeman did at Soton.

The same largely applies to Martinez but that doesn't stop people saying the same crap.

United looking good tonight. Pacey, direct and aggressive. Everything Koeman wants us to be. The wide players are supporting Ibra as soon as they can with the full backs providing the width. Rooney playing very well too.