Quinn31

21 hours ago, Shukes said:

I think this is the problem with gana that I see. Because the rest of the team is so impotent, they are expecting to be a box to box goal scoring midfielder, or assist machine. He’s not that type of player at all and it’s unfair to be labelled bad because of it.

P’s, I’m not saying your critique is that, as I believe you see him he way you describe. But I believe too much is expected from him from others at times. If he had a silky clever player alongside him, I feel he would shine.

This. Gana is a grafter and needs to play alongside a deep lying playmaker who actually can unlock the defense with forward passing and a creative 10 who can dribble and flow deeper if he needs to to get the ball from Gana

Problem is that Schneiderlin forgot how to play a forward pass last year and Sigurdsson/Rooney don't/didn't have the pace to flow more deep to retrieve the ball from Gana if he had won the ball and still get us up the pitch - Barkley would've been perfect for that.

3 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Basically, he thought he was too good for us and West Ham, and Arsenal didn’t want him so he’ll bide his time where he’s comfortable until a big boy comes calling. 

I certainly don't see him getting a big six job in this country coming from Shaktar - maybe Chelsea if that job becomes less attractive. 

Probably in position to manage one of the big French or Italian clubs, maybe Atletico/Valencia

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

Our motto isn’t try your hardest. 

Nothing but the Best (Effort) is Good Enough

Just now, EFC-Paul said:

I know he hasn't featured much but I'd have taken him 

Massively changed my opinion of the man, not the greatest player far from it but he's the opitome of our clubs moto and as frustrating as he can be he's an awkward fucker for defence's 

1 minute ago, London Blue said:

To be fair I would take them (maybe except Diouf) instead of Niasse.

Yeah - I can't comment either way because I don't watch Senegal or the French League at all, so I can't compare Niasse vs players playing in France. 

Not in Senegal's WC squad. For context, they are taking Sadio Mane, Mame Biram Diouf (Stoke), two lads from Rennes and one from Amiens in Ligue 1, and M'Baye Niang as forwards.

2 hours ago, StevO said:

I sort of get what you mean Quinn. I don’t think the playing squad needs a massive overhaul, but I do think the boardroom needed change. 

Personally, I think Elstone had too much of a small time mentality. He wanted to better recent years, rather than better our competitors. 

Fair point - agreed. I feel like we have 7 or 8 players that need to be moved or on who need to be replaced by 4 or 5 real difference makers when it comes to the playing staff. As I said, a top drawer centerback, a clear successor to Baines, a striker with more pace than Tosun but also who has goals in them,  and it would be nice to see someone in central midfield with ball playing ability who is also a pacey and physical presence (Doucoure?).

Again, I'm not attacking this forum - this forum relative to other Everton forums has top drawer posts and people who are genuinely interested in learning/teaching as much about the game as possible , to which I've been a huge beneficiary. I just think there's a "Burn it all down" segment out there (check twitter) that can be quite vocal and could harm the club they love

Just some food for thought - it's easy to judge players and the manager. We all know football some and can sufficiently judge the performance of those positions. It's much harder to judge executive roles, whether it be DoF or the more commercially oriented positions. While Walsh certainly hasn't played his cards super well given how woefully unbalanced the squad was at the beginning of the year lacking 1) pace 2) clear cover at fullback 3) two capable centerbacks to serve as a pair 4) a replacement goalscorer for Lukaku - I also see the clear lack of clarity on who was a Walsh signing vs Koeman and what their responsibilities were... Martina and Klaassen scream Koeman signings while Rooney screams as a board level signing - 

Walsh can clearly be accountable for 1) not being able to sign a #9 in the window (though we just needed Giroud to have a better spouse) 2) Needing to sign the RIGHT centerback and then signing Keane, who on his best days has been mediocre and appears physically incapable of being a defender in an expansive team and 3) paying an insane fee for Sigurdsson, though you could argue we got our man and a quality player, just not at the right price (Just as you could argue Sandro was worth a punt at $5m). I don't know if Walsh is grossly incompetent as a DoF and meant to stay a scout, or if he just didn't get it right this time and work well with Koeman - unlike managers, who need to maintain the confidence of the players, scouts and DoF's ability to recruit talent/have an eye for a player should remain more stagnant where as a manager's relevance more or less come and goes, and is dependent on their relationship with their players as well as the modernity of their training methods and tactics. That's why I'm not 100% Walsh out - he didn't get it right this time, but I'm not entirely sure that he's a waste of space and wouldn't be capable of doing a better job going forward. 

I understand having high standards (NSNO), but we should all be cognizant of the deck being stacked against us financially relative to the "Big 6" (Spurs, City, and Chelsea dwarf us financially, what a fucking joke) - I just don't want us to be getting in another vicious cycle of getting super excited by heads rolling/changing of the guard/new faces and then being disappointed because results aren't immediately as good as they were in the 80's. I'm cautiously optimistic regarding the stadium and all the new changes, and I'm anxiously awaiting the managerial appointment. I think more faces need to leave than need to come in this summer with the squad, we're bloated in terms of numbers, so let's build back up slowly but correctly rather than bringing in loads of players without a clear plan for them. 

As for Mr. Moshiri, Koeman and Walsh were good appointments on paper, they just lacked a plan/structure/didn't end up as good as advertised - Moshiri has put his money where his mouth is repeatedly and now has acted swiftly and decisively to try and improve his project. You can criticize the outcome, but the will and effort has been there.

While we are miles off the top 4,  I think with the right manager and the right signings this summer, and with some luck with injuries, we could very well be back around the 60 point mark (Maybe a bit above it) and take it to the big 6 in some matches in that Cavalier manner we love our blues for. Remember, Koeman signed Ashley Williams, Gueye, Bolasie, Stek, and Schneiderlin (in January), as well as young players DCL and Lookman (January), but was able to take a squad that finished on 47 points and in 11th the prior two seasons up to 61 points and 7th place - the complete lack of individual and team defending that killed us for a few years was rectified, as I believe a few good signings and the right man could restore some footballing identity to us now. We're never as good as we think we are, and it's never as bad as we think. 

This restoration of status would refill me with the pride that I have from being an Evertonian, and make me recognize the club I know - from there, we build. Onwards and Upwards.

19 minutes ago, nogs said:

Still not sure I get your point. You agree Allardyce had to go, are you saying Walsh should have kept his job? Because I see our recruitment under him as having been dreadful the whole two years he's been here, not just one season. Are you pissed off Elstone has gone? Do you think Shakespeare and Lee should keep their jobs? Are you calling for all current members of the first team squad to be offered contract extensions? 

The club has drifted badly in the wrong direction in the last 12 months. I for one am very pleased to see some decisive action to try to put that right. 

Sam Allardyce - over the moon he's gone

Contract extensions - no, I must've missed the news article where that's a rumor. Do you want  that or something?

Lee and Shakespeare of course go with Allardyce

Walsh - not sure

Elstone - think he's served us well and a change might be welcome, not sure about Barrett-Baxendale. Not so much displeased with the Board and Executive changes, but rather confused as to why everyone is getting excited about them.

Keith Harris - Been around the commercial side of the game for awhile, definite business acumen but was involved in some shitty sales I believe - M&A guys/investment bankers are almost always out for themselves above all else.

New CFO - don't know enough about him

The club has drifted badly on the pitch in the last 12 months, but I think quite a lot has gone in the right direction off the pitch in relation to the stadium project and other commercial agreements. See my earlier comments about things sometimes needing a tweaking rather than a complete facelift. 

1 minute ago, hafnia said:

"I want you on record" ... yes sir.

Marco Silva ...  and if he fucks it up and expects fans to watch us baton down the hatches against shit teams then he can go.... We then get someone else in.

It's not a competition  about being "right"..... what should happen is anyone employed by Everton who doesn't perform gets sacked. Simple as that. 

Nice choice - I like him too. I feel like we should be able to get pretty flexible terms on his contract too since we are clearly the best job he could get. A payoff to Watford does not make me happy though - Their fan forums leave them looking quite a petty bunch.

5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Well they’re not the same thing though, are they? A shot on goal would include both shots that were on target and those that weren’t on target. Saying just shot on target would only be shots on target, obviously. So by saying 0 shots you are actually saying that they didn’t have a single shot at goal, off target or on target. 

It’s ok, English is hard, so I’ll let you off on this occasion. 

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

A first team centerback and leftback are the absolute top two priorities. Someone who can immediately replace Baines or at least become his successor while serving as competent cover now is needed. 
 

We were shambolic at centerback this year, though we never really had a consistent pairing until the end with Keane and Jags - a confident and athletic centerback is needed and hopefully one of the existing centerbacks can serve as his partner. Williams needs to move on.

5 minutes ago, MikeO said:

99.9% of the fanbase doesn't equal a mob. In more than fifty years supporting the club I've never seen the fans more unified on anything; sure there are factions at times (Kendall, Kenwright, Johnson, Martinez, Moyes, Walker etc etc "out") and some of them have been big factions but there have always been dissenting voices, this was as good as unanimous. Your premise doesn't stand up.

On Allardyce, certainly. 

4 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Ai, I thought you would be but it didn't come across that way. Hence I asked to find out.

Sometimes a house needs new furniture, a new paint job, plumbing work done, etc.

There's a certain segment of fans that want to demolish the house every time it has a leaky faucet - social media just amplifies angry voices. Not too indifferent from Trump, Brexit (No offense to the Leave voters here)

2 minutes ago, tonkaroost said:

True, but he also didn't have the transfer outlay that Koeman/Walsh received from Moshiri (also not here during the Martinez reign). I'm sure he would have gotten the sack if things would've have gone as poorly for him that season as it has this season.

As soon as Moshiri came in Martinez was out.

Because Relegation Roberto's third season matched his second - 47 points, 11th place. 

1 hour ago, nogs said:

Well this is all going swimmingly!! I still stand by my belief Moshiri has to shoulder part of the blame for bringing Koeman and Walsh, then Allardyce, to the club in the first place. But you have to respect the decisive way he's going about sorting it. 

On the face of it, Brands is a far, far superior appointment to Walsh, who I think was promoted beyond his ability. Brands has the track record moulding whole clubs from the football side, not just making signings, which Walsh completely fucked up on during his time here anyway. I'm also excited by his apparent commitment to youth development - exactly what we should be prioritising, and why our last two managers were completely the wrong fit for us. 

Be very interesting to see who they bring in as head coach/manager now. If Brands is going to get full remit as DoF, it has to be someone operating more as a head coach than traditional manager - a real DoF is the boss. Would someone like Silva be happy in that role? 

He chose to manage Watford, which cycles through managers near annually and doesn't give them personnel decision making ability.

9 minutes ago, nogs said:

But why wouldn't you want heads to roll for cocking things up as badly as they've been cocked up this past 12 months? Nil satis nisi optimum and all that. 

One disappointing season doesn't mean you need to completely clean house - not in American sports like football, hockey, baseball - also in the business world...

We gave Martinez a third season after his second season was worse than this one (11th place, 47 points).

15 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Quinn out!

I cant believe he is still allowed on this forum with that tone towards fellow fans. I bet he guzzles gravy too and decorates his Christmas tree in red... unbelievable!

Good shout. I'm a snarky ass and you'd be better off without me!  

Remember I'm from the backwards side of the Atlantic, so I don't get that reference!

2 minutes ago, nogs said:

I'm pretty sure I've read posts from you laying into Allardyce for the football we've played. 

Oh, Allardyce needed to go. I just think there is a group of people who wanted as many heads to roll as possible, regardless of their capabilities in their role and their contributions or lack thereof to this past season. I think this same group will start bitching about not signing enough players this window and then go ballistic at our first run of bad form. 

30 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

So you intentionally label the majority of Evertonians as a 'mob'?!!! Because we all wanted the same thing in the end.

I don't get why you would! But I guess it's safe to do so online!

I get that there are a section of fans that act like spoilt kids but you seem to have used the term 'mob' aimed at everyone who was unhappy, which was a lot!

No, I'm talking about a certain section of fans. 

1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

I think you are being derogatory towards a number of people there. Maybe without intent.

You'll always have moaners. They come in any walk of life. But a lot of well informed, long standing fans have not been happy for a valid reason.

No, absolutely intentional there.

Just now, nyblue23 said:

Hopefully never.

The mob has gotten their scalps now. It will temporarily hold them over until they start to bitch about not signing a ton of players this summer (more need to leave than come in, new DoF and Manager need to scout, World Cup Summer, abbreviated transfer window).

2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

boro had 0 shots on goal in the second leg.  strange since they were 1-0 down but that's pulis ball for you

You can't lose 2-0 on aggregate if you don't concede again 

Curious as to how long it will be before everyone blows up the next iteration of Moshiri's project (new manager, Brands, etc)

43 minutes ago, hafnia said:

This thread should be used as an example of how long periods of mediocrity and celebration of finishing in a chasing pack has anesthetized fans who once never accepted second best.

Ffs. 

I want you on record as to who we should appoint.

1 minute ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Have never agreed with a post more than this one. Absolutely spot on. Realistic and optimistic. 

Think we could definitely use another forward - someone who has goals in them but is a different type of player than Tosun. 1) for variability 2) in case Tosun gets hurt

DCL has not shown a goalscoring aptitude yet and while Oumar has some goals in him, is such a flawed player that we should strongly consider offers for him.

Desperately need either a successor to Baines or at least a capable leftback to provide cover.

McCarthy will be highly illiquid for the time being on his current injury - I doubt someone will take him on now, but he will inevitably be put in the 25 and count against that mark. Funes Mori has shown nothing to warrant being a reliable centerback. Jags and Holgate have shown the most this year - questions are Jags age and fitness and then Holgate has had fitness problems this year.

I don't think Baningime has shown enough to warrant a place in the starting 11 of a side that can challenge the top 6.

Fulham are a good team who play good football - Villa belong in the Premier League. Just not Pulis' Boro please.

I feel for Gary Rowett - hope he brings them up or gets a shot at PL management somehow.

2 hours ago, Peter H said:

Sam Allardyce is set to leave Everton in the next 24 hours, thats all i needed to hear to come back to this site. Been staying away because I'm so pissed off at the club for letting it go this far. (have been watching the matches but its hard to be positive when this giant turd is in charge of the team)

Tough start for Djurgarden as well, pal.