Shukes

Jesus mirallas can't get a start even at the end of the season!!?? He must have killed roberto's cat or something!!

Or played shit and doesn't deserve a place.

Why is it that Mirralas doesn't need to make a claim like others do.

People have called for him to play soany times...then he does and he's shit.... But then they say its because he doesn't get enough minutes.

When will people realise

..he's just not that good.

Sorry we need to give him an 11th chance to show what he can do. It's only fair haha.

Move on, there's nothing to see here.

Hahaha Hibbert must be injured again. Mad that people seriously think we should give him another contract. He didn't even play a full game and he's out again.

Really? Has anyone said he deserves another contract, damn that's pretty bad.

Hmmm. Parallels with 1998 and arsenal getting the premier league with Tony Adams smashing a winner. We were shit then too.

 

We seen United pick up the trophy at Goodison too. Pretty horrible really. Hope that seeing them celebrate gives bill and moshiri a desire to get rid of Martinez and get us back on track.

Why say that, I was just thinking the same, here we go again.

I hope we can change the trend.

Can't disagree sadly.

That place is going to be rocking tomorrow. Gonna be so jealous haha.

 

We won't get a top signing with RM in charge.

Lukaku, Gerry says different.

Though your right maybe we won't get a top player in his prime.

I guess it's that the players defend without relying on the referee to make the call? Like clear the ball first then if the linesman flags offside or not it doesn't matter. Just a guess anyway.

That's it precisely.

How many times do you see professional footballers lose two steps because they expected offside.

Coleman has saves our ass so many times due to jags and Stones being behind a step.

Im starting to think Martinez isn't going anywhere and we will be stuck with him next season.

I'm feeling the same. It's just too quiet.

I have a feeling they will line up a top signing and use that to satisfy us.

Shukes, just one point. One person did say they don't practice set pieces, Leon Osman. And he directly quoted Graham Jones saying why practice them when there are maybe three per game, when we could practice ball work instead.

Wasn't it Osman that said they practise them, just not as much as they do open okay.

I might have the wrong person.

But one of them said...of course we practise them.

Could be baines actually, not sure haha.

Philosophy is there, just not sure it works. We always practised them. Part of our basic set up.

I get your drift Shukes but it's daft logic (not yours mate) if a forward is doing such a routine he'll just sit slightly off if he's told to play as he would (onside) in normal circumstances then any logic to the exercise goes out of the window the same goes for the defenders but the opposite

 

Anyway I can't see anything benifitial from it personally but hey ho as said if he's using such methods then it shows he's a tit

I see what you mean.

For it to work it would need to he structured in a way that gives the attackers an advantage to start.

When we did it, it was a training exercise with instructions....not really a match as such.

Roberto probably has them doing something completely different....and ineffective.

He trod on Gerrys toe when going to sit on the bench to watch training.

Ditto

 

How can it help defenders hold a line when the rule involving the "line" isn't in place..

 

Not disputing you lads using it or seeing it more that I find it bonkers Martinez is using such daft training routines, surely constantly drilling defenders on holding a line and using a fundamental rule of the game would benefit them far more

 

Just another indication the man's a plank if true

It's totally the opposite to holding the line though.

The idea is not to sit and wait for a flag. Keep a good line and then break when you have runners.

Premier level defenders should be past needing practise to keep a line....should be haha.

No one said they don't practise set pieces either. Even the players have come out and laughed at that.

Fitness...from what I have seen its not fitness but motivation that's the issue.

Against utd we looked the fitter team at the end...they just nicked a goal.

What we lack is effort and motivation.

Motivation is a managers main focus.

Seriously how can you train no offsides in 11 a side? If you aren't playing no offsides in a match then how is it beneficial?

 

It isn't going to benefit either strikers or defenders because it's a key part of the game. Lukaku for one is poor at shaping and timing his runs and it needs work. Our defence gets sprung all the time so how does it help?

Don't think anyone's saying it benefits 11 a side Haf....Though it may explain why Rom looks dumbfounded everytime a flag goes up haha.

It's to stop counter attacks running straight through you while your defense stand there waiting for a flag.

You just shouldn't rely on it, always hold your line but presume they are on.

Not saying that's what Martinez is doing, just that it's nothing new. It's a pretty standard exercise.

Was it with kids? I'm talking about adult football 11 vs 11 everything else is irrelevant really and has no benefit that I can see of anyway

 

"The English FA rules concerning short-sided football (5, 6 and 7-a-side) does not include the offside rule. This is restricted to 11s only."

With adults too.

But yes was 9 against 9 not 11 against 11.

It as designed to have players have to deal with breaks and counter attacking football.

Funny reading the comments to that link.

One poster said.....didn't Jags get injured from the match? I doubt he was training at all.

Good point.

I have done it with loads of teams. I did level one FA coaching too.

Can't find where it days it was a full 11 a side match though....that I'd a bit strange. 9-9 yes. But 11 seems strange.

The idea was to not depend on offsides, this was why we played 9-9, because of bot defenders just sat back instead of running back. We also implemented defensive zones to combat the sitting back.

Football basics, play to the hostel and let the ref and linesmen sort out offsides. Keep your line but turn on your feet and run back.

You guys are ruling out over 90 percent of today's training drills. Visit any team, and you'll see focus on particular skills - not all at once.

I was thinking the same thing. Seen it all over. This is a nothing story.

Really shocked if Jags kicked up a stink over something as basic as this.

Just don't believe it's true for a second.

Actually that was a pretty lame one... holds hands up.

But is it as lame as Lukakus work ethic?

Feel for him but at least were through this hell of a season now. Get fit and build your strength up and we'll see how good he is next season

 

What about this is dignified though? The club have been deathly silent while Martinez is in the firing line, they've left him there to have shit flung at him. I don't see any dignified behaviour whatsoever.

Opinion that's all.

Mine is that I prefer the club to keep thier business quiet until the right time.

I wouldn't expect them to come out and say...he's going when we have another manager sorted.

I see it as the same as we have always operated. We try to act profesionally, sometimes it comes across good and sometimes bad.

We're also Everton, we like to do our business with a little more dignity.

What will we gain for sacking him before the end of the season?

Could there be negatives?

For example other managers looking at us and thinking were too much of a risk after sacking Martinez.....wait till the end of the season rather than the upheaval and administration now.

Get it all in the place and then do your business.

 

shukes i don't think his level is high enough. he was a passenger against chelsea in CL (which are 10th or thereabouts in the prem right now so not exactly a top team) and i just think his level is not high enough for the prem and his price tag.

I think you could be right. Another fifa you tuber.

Agents are doing a great job making him seem like a world beater, when really he's just a good player.

Lots of teams have looked at him, but only us and Stokenham shown firm interest....wonder why?

It's not the tackling as much as the effort to retrieve the ball....or offer something when we don't have the ball.

I hate to see less than average players walk past him like he doesn't exist.

If he had half the effort of Ali then o would be happy.

His technique is unquestionable.

I don't even have a problem with his decision making, it will get better with experience.

His hold up play is excellent.

His ball retention is excellent.

He just needs more effort.

He could be an amazing player. I just hope he isn't going to be a tabloid story in years to come.....Barkley could have had it all.