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We're getting sloppy again...

How very dare you!!!

Dare I say this scoreline flatters us? Dare I also say something about Lukaku last few touches? No...I daren't!!!

I think 3 up...Make some changes. Keep things fresh. T'Hows been good tonight.

I know! I felt the force there didn't I?!!

Yeah great shot.

God...I dared to say I didn't think Lukaku was at his best! Jeez.

I think we are watching the same game, yeah. Different words, but the only thing we disagree on is Lukaku.

Ha...nowhere near the post! Keeper saved it.

Really? Just shows how he splits opinions. I'm no where near a Lukaku basher but I don't rate him tonight. Didn't think he was working hard enough and some awful touches/pass attempts...but then so has Mirallas, McGeady and Naismith.

Apart from the 2 well worked goals, I'm more frustrated than happy...in a way! Wolfsburg are finding space easily. They are closing us down much better. And our passing in the final 3rd has been crap a lot of the time...All 4 attacking players are guilty too. Some real slack passing. Lukaku doesn't seem to be at it. That Naldo just does him for pace each time. It feels like we are trying to control the pace more, rather than being all gungho then knackered for the last 10. Just need to sharpen up a bit more. And McGeady and Mirallas need to run at them more.

Definitely. I just read up a bit of history on England. Jeez...between us all (English, Welsh, Scottish, French, Romans, Celts, Scandinavians) there was a constant flow of battles and invasions. From all nations/cultures. Really interesting read. What stands out though is that only the strongest survived. Maybe that's why the Celtic culture dwindled. Anyway, 7 am. We'll find out.

Hang on in there! Not long now!!!

Again Steve, with the EU name analogy, you're going back thousands of years. Comparing 2 totally different era's. That wouldn't happen now. Where I do agree is on EU decision making. We don't like it. So I can emphasise with the Scots on that. But that's a today argument, not one from so many years ago. Put it all together and what it shows is that politics needs to change. Each nation should have a heavy say in its own nation. No doubt. How it will change, I don't know. But the system is certainly dated. And let's not forget, the Scots do enjoy privileges that us English don't.

Thanks for the bit of education! Nice. I appreciate your 'love' of your tradition. But things move on. They evolve. Something we can both relate to is when Everton finally move from GP, there will be a load of people who want us to stay based on tradition. Tradition can halt progress. Historical reasons from thousands of years ago are not a reason to vote 'YES'. As I said, too many uncertainties.

We, as in the UK, contribute a lot of money to the fund that is used to bail such countries out!!

I thought that too???

Didn't they need a big bail out from the EU during the 'crash'??? I thought they landed deep in the shit during that time?

Yeah, go on. I'm quite interested in these things. I like a bit of history. To a degree. It always gets my imagination.

Let me just check if I'm right here Steve... You originate from Cornwall. You live in America (this is the bit I'm unsure of...from previous posts, I have you as living there? Some language used in posts indicates this too???) And you want Scotland to become independent based purely on some secret hope of a reunion of Celtic nations from thousands of years ago? Didn't the Celtic language spread right across Europe at one point? But it just 'died' out? You clearly know much more than me on this subject. I'm all for tradition. We need tradition. But using history in such a way, a way that causes a bit of hatred, is wrong. I appreciate your passion for your long gone roots...but the world's moved on. And will do so again and again.

Haha...'cheesybell' got me!!!

Really looking forward to this game. Well, at least, the return to Europe. Was really tempted to buy a ticket, and whack the cost plus all petrol on credit card...but the plastic has taken a battering this last month!!! The atmosphere should be belting. While I think some europa games will see fringe players given a chance...I don't think this will be one of those games. Strong line up to play a strong team.

....actually, we already have 800,000 scots living in England (such a bad country aren't we??!!). I wonder if it's YES, how many of the NO will express their fears by crossing the border. Some reports suggest up to a 6th of the 5.3million population. And we complain about Muslims....!!!! (That's tongue in cheek before anyone kicks off!!!)

How are they different in so many ways? I'm married to a Glaswegian, and enjoy it when we spend time in Glasgow. Last time I spoke to my wife, she spoke the same language as me??? We got married in April and had lots of her family down, they also spoke the same language. All my 'plastic scouse' family were there...They all inter mingled brilliantly and had a brill weekend. Behind all the banter (usually sports related!), generally, both Scots and English are fine. The only bias is the BBC. Avoid that at all costs on any subject. All this history...Christ, the time is now. If they are still angry because William Wallace got hung, drawn and quartered...well, that's sad. We English can't forever be the bad guys just because thousands of years ago we dared to venture and take ownership of land...in an era when every civilisation was doing the same! I'll stop there with that one as I am in danger of going over my own head!!! Ha! We are what we are. As a United Kingdom, has it done us any harm? We have many privileges that other nations envy. Fair enough, each country should have much more influence on what happens in their own land. But all this anti England stuff is dated. It's old news. For the UKs size, we are a big player in the world (for right or wrong reasons). Would we be if we were all separate? I fear that if it is Yes, it will be because of bravado and misplaced pride. Yet will also mean some very uncertain, and hard, years for the Scots. They don't deserve that. BUT...If it is yes, then good luck. Hope it goes well...because you just know that if it doesn't go well they'll only jump over the border into England.

65% No....35% Yes. The silent ones will speak, and they are silent because they are 'No'. I really hope that the famous Scottish pride can be swallowed a little and that common sense can prevail. I find it hard to believe that they are having a vote with so many unanswered questions. I also find it difficult that 16 year old can vote. Most of these can't make beans on toast, yet they can take part in this vote? C'mon, that's shocking. The big swinger for me will be that while the Scots dislike the Westminster decision making (can't blame them really...even Northerners don't like that!), at least they know where they are. Go independent, and it's all up in the air. Currency for example...the most important thing for a country is currency. It's strength on a global scale can make or break a nation. The scots don't know what they are going to use. Yet they may vote 'yes'? Oil/Gas...its ok saying you have it and that is what will support the economy. But how do you know what value is on it? You become independent, the world knows you are relying in this resource to make your country work, you don't think the extracting companies are going to be real mean in negotiating prices etc? If they decide not to extract, and go elsewhere, you're screwed. Most of the fuel extracted is used in the UK. What if Westminster decide it's cheaper to import it from elsewhere? Politics can make that happen. Politics is the biggest Bitch in the history of mankind. All nations go into debt. They need money from banks etc to keep the nation going. As a new independent country, they won't have a credit rating, will be seen as very high risk and will find it difficult to borrow money. When they do borrow, the interest will be a lot higher than the UK pays. Could go on...so many ifs and buts. I wouldn't like to be a Scot just now. Not a chance!