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johny Newbie

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Can't come soon enough, his tactics are the most inept I've ever seen at Liverpool, by a long way.

Sets the team up to play to our weaknesses, sits back at home against Blackpool, and Northampton and allows them to attack us for 90 minutes, and makes the most pointless substitutions far too late in the game.

 

Thats not even mentioning his annoying habbit of talking down our chances of a result before the match "Northampton Town will be a formidable challange", and claiming we played well afterwards despite being battered.

 

Claiming we will be fine as long as we keep playing well enough to scrape a 2-0 defeat to the team in 16th place, for example!

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Your problems wasn't the owners, it was Rafa who wasted millions, a dependance on Gerrard and a fact that if Torres isn't scoring then you are a very average team.

 

His transfer net spend was about 9 million pounds a year over 6 years. Rafa didnt 'waste' millions, every manager has flops, Rafa had his share as well. Difference being, that for an apparently top side, we didnt have the cushion of extra money like Chelsea, or Manchester United (even Spurs and Villa on occasions outspent us).

 

His record with us in Europe in outstanding. We used to go into the knockouts as underdogs but have beat Barca and Real and Inter and Chelsea and Juve (in 05). We scored 82 and 86 points in the league under Rafa, which gets written off by the media time and time again. We never had the squad to win the league but usually had a strong first team.

 

It was never only about Torres and Gerrard under Rafa. Add Pepe Reina, Alonso, Mascherano to the list and we had 5 genuinely world class performers in the team. Along with good players like Agger and Carra and Aurelio and Arbeloa with ten goals a season regularly coming from Kuyt, Luis Garcia and Yossi.. Benitez assembled a good team.

 

Always unnoticed by the media, our youth system improved ever since Rafa joined us and is very strong now.

 

Even forgetting all the memorable results, it was Rafa who first brought to attention the problem with our owners. For him the city and the club was always number one and was fighting a one man battle in the management side of things and we appreciate that. Even when he left, he donated a big chunk of money to the Hillsborough victims and spoke of how the Wirral was his only home now. It was a nice touch of the LFC fans today to have thanked him with that banner and the Inter Ultras to have allowed them to display it during Inter's CL game against Spurs.

 

To win the league now, you need to constantly get good players and need about 15-18 top players in the squad. We never had that because the managers hands were always tied behind his back when it came to funds. We lost out on Vidic, Alves, Barry and Malouda and god knows how many others.

 

Its rubbish this Rafa wasted millions on the squad argument.

 

You've been out fought and out played this season, that's hardly down to Roy, it's 90% THE PLAYERS!

 

The players definitely need to take responsibility. They should been shouldered some blame when Rafa was under the cosh as well, but that never happened. But we were rarely genuinely outfought under Rafa. We've been held to a draw by worse teams and beaten by better ones but it was rarely this bad. The game against City this season exemplified that. Roy plays a good old 442 and we were massacred in midfield and it was worse than when Everton dominated us in the first half. We've never looked like scoring, many times during the season. Roy hasnt won an away game in 23 tries, he's tactically inept. Fuck me what a record. 23 games. Blackpool had about 80% possession since the 80th minute when we were trying to get a goal and draw the game!

 

But most of all, its his comments in the media that have turned the fans against him. He was supposed to follow the 'Liverpool way' that Rafa apparently didnt. But in order to blame everyone else (which Rafa did a lot apparently, hah!) he's blamed Torres, Agger, the kids who he put out and has given a Rafa-esque guarantee taht we wont get relegated this season. The funny thing is, with him in charge, i think we might. I dread every press conference of his, he thinks that we did well against Everton and United ffs! We had a 15 minute spell in both games! After we were 2 nil down and the opposition had obviously stepped off the gas. Both sides could have beat us 4 or 5 nil easy if they'd gone on.

 

I dont even want to start going on about how he sold two young players and paid cash to replace them with Konchesky, paid 5 million for Poulsen who Juve were willing to let go on a free in Jan and paid 7 figure amounts to sign Brad fucking Jones as backup. We have Meireles but he thinks that it would be a good idea to play him in right midfield. Wow.

 

As said we are not LAUGHING AT YOU, we are laughing with you, because even you must admit it is funny......don't worry, you wont even be in the bottom half at Christmas.

Why are you on an Everton forum, when you surely need to pull together, perhaps rs forums are bad places to be at the moment!

 

Its not funny, its sad. Thanks to Moores, Parry and G&H, we have become a laughing stock. Hodgson isny helping things but he is not half as big a villain than those guys. Atleast United are on the next train behind us to be massacred by the debt on the club. Thats a plus.

 

The LFC forums arent too bad at this point actually. Things are looking up with the sale of the club, Purslow leaving today and confirmations from solid sources that Hodgson has been asked to resign after the Napoli tie. Pellegrini would be a good man to get in the club, i reckon.

 

His agent has said about us having made contact with him but the ones in the know still say that the Rijkaard deal is done.

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Matt Grand Master

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Interesting stuff Xav...

 

Is this inaccurate then?

 

http://www.liverpool...snet-spend.html

(Serious question....not a :wind up: )

Bit further down Mike, the writer says:

 

7. Tranfers that were *not* accounted for in the 2009 accounts:

]Xabi Alonso

Andrea Dossena

Andrei Voronin

Sotiris Kyrgiakos

Albert Aquilani

 

Why?

 

They were all signed after the 31 July accounting deadline. I did originally post a net-spend table that contained Aquilani and Kyrgiakos, but I removed it as I accept that their transfers are not in the 2008-9 accounting period

Think that should come close to covering the 60m gap between Xav and the 71m quoted there.

 

 

edit: Misread Xaviers point - 9m per season. 71 / 6 = just under 12m per season, and considering what ive quoted above might work out at 9.

 

But then, im crap with numbers so i might be making a fool of myself!

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marcopaulo Newbie

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would it be childish to mention clatttenburg? :lol:

 

seriously though it isn't all to do with hodgson's tactics although i do agree he is vastly overrated..there is no passion about the team either from what i have seen..reg from what i see takes all this liverpool stuff very personally and is worryingly more concerned with them than everton :unsure:

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Can't come soon enough, his tactics are the most inept I've ever seen at Liverpool, by a long way.

Sets the team up to play to our weaknesses, sits back at home against Blackpool, and Northampton and allows them to attack us for 90 minutes, and makes the most pointless substitutions far too late in the game.

 

Thats not even mentioning his annoying habbit of talking down our chances of a result before the match "Northampton Town will be a formidable challange", and claiming we played well afterwards despite being battered.

 

Claiming we will be fine as long as we keep playing well enough to scrape a 2-0 defeat to the team in 16th place, for example!

 

don't worry mate we know all about that :lol:

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Always unnoticed by the media, our youth system improved ever since Rafa joined us and is very strong now.

 

 

 

i'm not trying to be a wind up here either but maybe it goes unnoticed because there has been no one step into that team from the youth ranks since rafa took over? unless i maybe missed something you haven't had anyone since gerrard to break in really have you?

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xavier Newbie

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i'm not trying to be a wind up here either but maybe it goes unnoticed because there has been no one step into that team from the youth ranks since rafa took over? unless i maybe missed something you haven't had anyone since gerrard to break in really have you?

 

 

As a long time regular, maybe not.

 

Stevie Warnock played a fair bit (got his break under Houllier though).

 

Under Rafa, Insua joined as a 17 year old, played a lot of games, and went on to win an Argentina cap. Mikel San Jose did well for the reserves, played a full season on loan at Bilbao but decided that he didnt want to come back. Danny Ayala got his break and took his chance and is first choice in the championship on loan at Hull. Martin Kelly is a huge prospect, possible first choice in the next few years if he sorts out his back and knee problems and has got his break, Spearing has played a bit, Eccelston who has done well in the U-18's and reserve has had a couple of substitute appearances, Shelvey and Wilson are proper good buys and will get their chance. Lucas was brought when he was 19 as well and is part of a first choice pairing there. Pacheco's a fantastic talent and has come on to change a couple of game but we need to find a position for him. He was the top scorer in the U-19 Euro's. Suso is only 16 but already pushing on from the reserves. Michael Ngoo and Toni Silva are regulars in their U-19 international squads. David Ngog has a decent scoring rate for the first team. Chris Mavinga won the Euro U-19's with France and played all their games. So yeah, our reserve and youth system is as good as it ever was after Rafa arrived. He brought in Barca's youth coach to manage our U-18's and John McMahon is clearly doing a good job with the reserves.

 

 

A lot of these players will not be good enough for Liverpool and might not be the next be the next Gerrard. But for a supposedly top team like us who will probably fill in first team places by buying internationals, the youth system is a way to bring in money. It should pay for itself. Even if all these kids are sold in the future, they'd bring in money to buy new youths and will be backup to the first team at worst. Manchester United has a brilliant youth system, they may not be playing kids in the first team all that often but usually manage to sell players at 22-23 years of age for 5-6 million pounds regularly.

 

 

Rafa knew the advantage of a good feeding system (insert fat joke here) and we're already seeing the benefits of that. Hopefully Roy or whoever who replaces him continues the progress made. Liverpool cannot expect to have a Steven Gerrard come through every 3 years, but what it can expect is a Darron Gibson or Johnny Evans or Phil Bardsley and Frazier Campbell, who can be sold on to make a profit.

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MikeO Grand Master

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...for a supposedly top team like us who will probably fill in first team places by buying internationals, the youth system is a way to bring in money.

That's a very sad indictment of the modern game.

 

Changing subject....this headline on the beeb made me laugh a lot tonight...

 

FOOTBALL:Liverpool held to 0-0 draw in Europa League group game against Italian side Napoli.

 

Given that Liverpool were rank outsiders shouldn't it be the other way round? Headline writer living in the past :rolleyes: .

 

Good result for them incidentally, though difficult to sack Hodgson on the back of it.

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xavier Newbie

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That's a very sad indictment of the modern game.

 

English football in particular. With the coming of the 'Premier League' and marketing of the same, the "audience" will always expect to be entertained and teams need better players to do so. Its the system that is wrong.

 

A way to recover the situation would be to allow reserve teams to play in the football league till the championship. Spain does it and even the likes of Madrid, Barca and Valencia consistently produce top youth players because of it. The young 'uns need competitive football and the 16-20 games a season that the reserve league provides is nowhere enough for future aspirants. Yes, you can send players out on loan but once on loan, you lose control of what you want to do with them. Playing in the Championship and League One will give you the control that these teenagers need to improve their game with a view of playing for your first team.

 

The F.A. will never have the balls to accept its major flaws and improve the game.

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I stopped reading it when i got to this ........

 

On the run up to the latest league Derby, Everton hadn't won one in the last seven matches.

 

 

 

After an away draw to Fulham We went away to beat Birmingham the week before the derby. ;)

 

 

I think that was a reference to derby matches Bill.......

 

 

 

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Never have I seen so many arrows, diagrams, seen circles drawn around players and gaps where players should have been.....heard so many excuses.......You lost!

 

The author Tim Hilluk, obvious red, in trying to explain why they lost, couldn't help but mention previous wins over the Blues (why was that relavent to this game) :blink:

 

He ends blaming everyone except the players......WHY?

 

 

You lost a game of football, get over it.

 

Your team of highly paid stars, with a forward line of Torres, Gerrard and cole, didn't beat an Everton team having themselves made a bad start to the season 4th from bottom, playing at the time without an in-form striker, missing Pienarr and Fellaini, Saha and Anichebe, oh and Rodwell, 5 players who would have figured in the squad that day.

 

Your club were off the back of a new Yank offering to buy out all your problems, your clubs spirits should have been sky high.

 

Oh yes I forgot......Poor old Roy!

 

When Everton lost to Newcastle this season, it was 85% the players fault, not Moyes or Kenwright because he wont sell the club.....the players.

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The writer shouldve written more clearly then. Last 7 matches for me is this season. Last 7 Derbies leading up to this one is much more clear. smile.gif

The writer should get a girlfriend imo :unsure: .

 

(But on that bit it's just badly written....presumably he means the last seven derbies but that's not what the sentence says however you read it)

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Never have I seen so many arrows, diagrams, seen circles drawn around players and gaps where players should have been.....heard so many excuses.......You lost!

 

The author Tim Hilluk, obvious red, in trying to explain why they lost, couldn't help but mention previous wins over the Blues (why was that relavent to this game) :blink:

 

He ends blaming everyone except the players......WHY?

 

 

You lost a game of football, get over it.

 

Your team of highly paid stars, with a forward line of Torres, Gerrard and cole, didn't beat an Everton team having themselves made a bad start to the season 4th from bottom, playing at the time without an in-form striker, missing Pienarr and Fellaini, Saha and Anichebe, oh and Rodwell, 5 players who would have figured in the squad that day.

 

Your club were off the back of a new Yank offering to buy out all your problems, your clubs spirits should have been sky high.

 

Oh yes I forgot......Poor old Roy!

 

When Everton lost to Newcastle this season, it was 85% the players fault, not Moyes or Kenwright because he wont sell the club.....the players.

 

you've missed the point spectacularly, yet again.

 

I posted the article simply because it does a good job in highlighting the different tactics of Benitez and Hodgeson, not as an excuse for losing. The fact that it uses our last game isn't relevent.

 

Its the players fault wah wah. the same players that finished 2nd in 09 and 7th last year are now in the relegation zone, and out of the league cup to the lowest ranked team in the competition.

 

Your posts remind me of them Brookside episodes when Jimmy Corkhill came off his meds.

All shouting, waving your arms around and getting worked up over nothing.

 

And Reg, you clearly care VERY deeply about the affairs of Liverpool

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Johny - Are Liverpool fans on the Liverpool forums you go on unbiased when they talk about Everton? Complimentary of Everton? No, they're not. So I don't see why you're surprised that Everton fans may see things through blue-tinted glasses. Get over it.

 

If you just want somewhere where everyone's whinging about how hard done by you are then stick to your own forums.

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