Hello from Glasgow

[Bhoy]

I think it's fitting that my first post on this forum is Hello!

 

First and foremost, I am a Celtic fan. They are my team. But, for some reason, and I don't know why, I have always had a likening towards the Toffees.

 

I thought it was about time I started to mingle amongst the Blue half of Merseyside (I sure as hell ain't mingling with the Blue side of my own city! ) and hopefully my love for Everton will grow.

[thoward18]

Welcome! Does this you're going to get banned from Celtic Park forever for supporting Jelavic and Naismith?

[Avinalaff]

Hi matey.

 

Welcome to the forum. You'll have to put up with us constantly having a dig at the Scottish, but we don't mind you giving it back either lol.

[Bhoy]

I certainly hope not, haha!

 

Nah, Jelavic and Naismith are both quality players. Can't deny that even when they were at Rangers.

 

And, I don't mind. I'll be sure to chip in with the casual racism!

[Peter H]

Naismith is wank.

 

Jelavic is class.

 

Welcome you deep fried mars bar munching, whiskey drinking thug of a man

Edited January 4, 2013 by Peter H

[rubecula]

And a fine welcome to you Bhoy, hopefully you will like the forum as much as us.

[Avinalaff]

Haggis muncher.

[Dalziel Kane]

The Scots eat Haggis, The Irish prefer potatoes and stews, as Celtic is the latter.

 

Just because he supports an SPL club doesn't necessarily indicate he is indeed Scots, but we shall go along with it. I look out for Abderdeen as an SPL side, but they've been awful since the mid 1990s unfortunately

 

Not much time for Glasgow soccer. Just two tired clubs going at it with boring sectarian politics and tirades and anything that occurs on the field, half the time goes by the wayside. It's not going to stop anytime soon.

[Romey 1878]

DK, he implies he's from Glasgow with his comment about the blue half of his city.

[Avinalaff]

DK, he implies he's from Glasgow with his comment about the blue half of his city.

 

I wonder ?

 

[Dalziel Kane]

another excuse for asinine art designs, and I must have missed that bit. I am half asleep in my defense.

 

He could always 'mingle' or associate with Queens Park in Glasgow, if he wanted some blue following.

 

But last word on this, come and join in etc, as I don't have a problem with that side of the SPL main leaders. Still think you should have joined the premier league if only they had of let you (In England), as the SPL has been dead in the water for as long as anyone can remember it, with regard to all sides outside of the Old Firm, and Rangers will be back again soon enough in a couple of years, and they're simply going to carry on together where they left off.

 

For the last time, 'Gers and Celtic are too good for their own league, where it's been the same winners (either one of them) since 1985, and they have both proved themselves in Europe in the last decade, so I would have liked to have seen them in the EPL even if only for a trial period.

 

But what's the damn use, when it simply won't occur. Yes they talk about it every now and again, but nothing ever gets finalized.

[MikeO]

DK, he implies he's from Glasgow with his comment about the blue half of his city.

 

The thread being titled, "Hello from Glasgow" is another clue .

[Avinalaff]

The thread being titled, "Hello from Glasgow" is another clue .

 

It was easy to miss when viewed from another planet.

[Dalziel Kane]

I wave the white flag

 

But I'm right about the sectarian nonsense, and they should be allowed in the EPL (if only for a trail if nothing else). You can't dispute.

[Avinalaff]

another excuse for asinine art designs, and I must have missed that bit. I am half asleep in my defense.

 

He could always 'mingle' or associate with Queens Park in Glasgow, if he wanted some blue following.

 

But last word on this, come and join in etc, as I don't have a problem with that side of the SPL main leaders. Still think you should have joined the premier league if only they had of let you (In England), as the SPL has been dead in the water for as long as anyone can remember it, with regard to all sides outside of the Old Firm, and Rangers will be back again soon enough in a couple of years, and they're simply going to carry on together where they left off.

 

For the last time, 'Gers and Celtic are too good for their own league, where it's been the same winners (either one of them) since 1985, and they have both proved themselves in Europe in the last decade, so I would have liked to have seen them in the EPL even if only for a trial period.

 

But what's the damn use, when it simply won't occur. Yes they talk about it every now and again, but nothing ever gets finalized.

 

It's a real book lol.

 

Read it. You never know.

 

http://www.google.co...k-fYdIiN2mUWvtg

 

As for having Scottish teams in the Prem, no thanks.

 

I'm sure it's a debate for a new thread etc rather than on the OP's welcomee page, but there are enough teams deserving in our own leagues before we offer teams from another football association free entry.

[Avinalaff]

I wave the white flag

 

But I'm right about the sectarian nonsense, and they should be allowed in the EPL (if only for a trail if nothing else). You can't dispute.

 

You are American. Your opinion is not rational.

[Dalziel Kane]

I'm beyond the point of rational thinking right now and ready for an early night, been on the fucking go since first light today

 

Ok, the kid's from Glasgow, lives in Glasgow, is aware of Glasgow, can spell Glasgow, can say Glasgow in some obscure tongue of the Woolawoola tribe of darkest Peru etc, but I'm not going to debate this anymore.

 

Welcome and all to the relevant person, but that's as good as discussion closed now.

[pete0]

[rubecula]

and they should be allowed in the EPL (if only for a trail if nothing else). You can't dispute.

 

I can and do dispute that. Every team in the EPL (Yes even QPR) got there by effort of promotion. No team deserves to just walk straight in. They want to play in England they have to follow the same route.

[pete0]

I can and do dispute that. Every team in the EPL (Yes even QPR) got there by effort of promotion. No team deserves to just walk straight in. They want to play in England they have to follow the same route.

Except for Arsenal, but it's okay as it pisses the Spurs fans off .

[rubecula]

Except for Arsenal, but it's okay as it pisses the Spurs fans off .

 

Ah yes never demoted. But the longest time in top flight football is still our and that pisses the gooners off too

[Bill]

And originally promoted into the league ahead of Spurs even tho they finished behind them.

[Bhoy]

The Scots eat Haggis, The Irish prefer potatoes and stews, as Celtic is the latter.

 

Just because he supports an SPL club doesn't necessarily indicate he is indeed Scots, but we shall go along with it. I look out for Abderdeen as an SPL side, but they've been awful since the mid 1990s unfortunately

 

Not much time for Glasgow soccer. Just two tired clubs going at it with boring sectarian politics and tirades and anything that occurs on the field, half the time goes by the wayside. It's not going to stop anytime soon.

Celtic is a Scottish club with proud Irish roots and heritage. I support the Scottish national team. I am a Scot and my team is Scottish.

For someone who does not have much time for "Glasgow soccer" you seem very quick to brand my club and fellow supporters as sectarian.

As someone who attends Celtic games almost every week I can safely say that there is little to no sectarian element inside Celtic Park. I am not saying my support is angelic. Our support is infamously renown for their continuous support to links in Ireland and the IRA. I will not get into my own view about this, as I do not believe this is the sort of forum where it should be discussed. (Football is football, Politics is politics.). However, I would not condemn any supporter if I were to hear them singing an IRA song at Celtic Park.

Growing up in the West of Scotland I have experienced some hatred from Rangers fans that I don't even know. It's amazing how in your own city someone can hate you because of the school you go to or the church you attend. I am not a religious man but many a time have I heard the slurs "Taig bastard" "Fenian cunt" not to mention the numerous "Fuck the Pope" chants I have heard throughout my very short 18 years on this planet.

Not ONCE have I EVER heard a fellow supporter of mine use any such slanderous language regarding Protestants or any other religious group at Celtic Park. However, the media like to portray us as the "same" under the banner "sectarian" We are not the same.

So, as someone who has spent his full life dealing with such problems, I would appreciate it if you researched a little before making such an outrageous comment about something you clearly know little about.

another excuse for asinine art designs, and I must have missed that bit. I am half asleep in my defense.

 

He could always 'mingle' or associate with Queens Park in Glasgow, if he wanted some blue following.

 

But last word on this, come and join in etc, as I don't have a problem with that side of the SPL main leaders. Still think you should have joined the premier league if only they had of let you (In England), as the SPL has been dead in the water for as long as anyone can remember it, with regard to all sides outside of the Old Firm, and Rangers will be back again soon enough in a couple of years, and they're simply going to carry on together where they left off.

 

For the last time, 'Gers and Celtic are too good for their own league, where it's been the same winners (either one of them) since 1985, and they have both proved themselves in Europe in the last decade, so I would have liked to have seen them in the EPL even if only for a trial period.

 

But what's the damn use, when it simply won't occur. Yes they talk about it every now and again, but nothing ever gets finalized.

 

I can and do dispute that. Every team in the EPL (Yes even QPR) got there by effort of promotion. No team deserves to just walk straight in. They want to play in England they have to follow the same route.

 

Of course, I would like to see Celtic in the Premier League one day. But it won't happen. I certainly don't expect us to be granted permission to join straight into your top flight. No chance! A Conference or League 2 spot would be a fair.

 

I honestly think that after maybe 5 consecutive years of Celtic in the Premier League, we would be a top 6 side. When you look at our finances, squad and our progression in Europe it makes you think what would happen if Celtic were fortunate enough to tap into the mega-bucks Sky pours into your league. Celtic's fanbase is global. I would say that after Man United and L****pool we have the largest global fanbase. If we had the money, the attraction of premier league football and the fanbase we could attract top, top players. But, of course, that is a discussion best saved for another topic.

[Avinalaff]

This might be controversial, but it's only my opinion, rightly or wrongly informed.

 

Glasgow teams have taken the spoils from Scottish football, and with little resistance from other clubs, have accumulated wealth, so it strikes me as unfair, that you should be allowed to join the lower ranks of the English leagues, and compete against teams that have no wealth.

 

Firstly, would it be economical for those fans and smaller clubs to have to travel enormous distances to watch their teams play in Glasgow? Portsmouth fans for example, would have a round trip of just under 900 miles.

 

Secondly, should they have their own chances of promotion hindered, by allowing a much bigger team to play in their division? There are 24 clubs in our 2nd division. 4 are relegated, and 2 are promoted, so should we relegate an extra 2 clubs to accomodate you?

 

Celtic as a business would also suffer, not to mention the loss of income for the Scottish FA.

 

You would lose the revenue you get from tv coverage, sponsorship, European football, not to mention the earnings via Scottish titles etc, and your players would all leave, as contracts would become void. Your club would enter administration.

 

We can go on, and on, but the simple matter of fact, is that no amicable solution would be possible, and as such, it will never happen.

 

Scotland is another country, and a totally seperate entity regarding football, and the solution long term is not to take the good teams out of Scotland, but to make the Scottish league better. You may say that this will never happen, and it probably won't to the degree of the Premier League, but everybody in the world wants what everybody else has, and it isn't possible.

 

Your fans, in their present position, already have more than most fans do, but your clubs have no more right of passage into the English leagues as Barcelona do, or Club Brugge, and we both know it won't happen, as there is no benefit what so ever for any English clubs to be had, other than an already small piece of the cake getting smaller.

 

There has been talk of a European league for the top clubs, but once again, that is simply a case of the big clubs wanting everything for themselves, and balls to everybody else (similar to the birth of the Prem) but it wouldn't work outside of the current European competitions, as how could fans possibly afford to travel abroad every other week. Isn't football already expensive enough?

 

There is nothing to stop Scottish fans from supporting English clubs, but as far as becoming part of the English set up, it won't happen.

 

A Scottish v English cup is the best you could hope for.

[rubecula]

Please don't get me wrong Celtic and Rangers would be both welcomed by me, but they would need to 'earn' the Premiership places. In fact I think if the Scottish and English leagues were to join up in someway it would be fine by me too. Although how to fit so many teams into a league is not a problem I would like to try and solve.

[Avinalaff]

Please don't get me wrong Celtic and Rangers would be both welcomed by me, but they would need to 'earn' the Premiership places. In fact I think if the Scottish and English leagues were to join up in someway it would be fine by me too. Although how to fit so many teams into a league is not a problem I would like to try and solve.

 

It's not possible Rubes.

 

It would need to be a straight entrance into the Prem (Championship at worst) or nothing, as their financial foundation would crumble should they be put in the lower leagues. They just couldn't continue as the clubs we know today. They would have only a fraction of their current funding, and would basically have to become a Conference club, to survive, if that makes sense.

[Bhoy]

This might be controversial, but it's only my opinion, rightly or wrongly informed.

 

Glasgow teams have taken the spoils from Scottish football, and with little resistance from other clubs, have accumulated wealth, so it strikes me as unfair, that you should be allowed to join the lower ranks of the English leagues, and compete against teams that have no wealth.

 

Firstly, would it be economical for those fans and smaller clubs to have to travel enormous distances to watch their teams play in Glasgow? Portsmouth fans for example, would have a round trip of just under 900 miles.

 

If a fan from Portsmouth is willing to travel to Newcastle, why not Glasgow? What about in Spain where fans from Malaga have to travel to Deportivo. It's virtually the same. You also fail to take into account the massive payout these clubs would receive when we play them away. We would almost certainly fill out our allocation and then some.

 

Secondly, should they have their own chances of promotion hindered, by allowing a much bigger team to play in their division? There are 24 clubs in our 2nd division. 4 are relegated, and 2 are promoted, so should we relegate an extra 2 clubs to accomodate you?

 

I agree. But for progression to happen, someone has to lose out. That just happens, unfortunately.

 

Celtic as a business would also suffer, not to mention the loss of income for the Scottish FA.

 

Short term, of course. Long term, no chance.

 

You would lose the revenue you get from tv coverage, sponsorship, European football, not to mention the earnings via Scottish titles etc, and your players would all leave, as contracts would become void. Your club would enter administration.

 

Nope. We are Celtic. Where-ever we play there will be a TV crew. Do you not think that stations would not want to capitalise on a club virtually starting over again? It would be a big deal and it would be shown on TV. Sponsorship most likely would not be affected as every second week your product would be exposed to 50,000+ fans. Actually, you get more money from finishing 20th in the Premier League than you do for finishing first in the SPL. No loss. Of course we would lose some players. However, I would like to think that some of our homegrown talent would like to experience the massive journey and be a part of history. Our club right now is in the best financial position in years. You clearly do not know about Celtic's finances. You are in no position to make such a ridiculous claim. Celtic will never go into Administration.

 

We can go on, and on, but the simple matter of fact, is that no amicable solution would be possible, and as such, it will never happen.

 

I agree.

 

Scotland is another country, and a totally seperate entity regarding football, and the solution long term is not to take the good teams out of Scotland, but to make the Scottish league better. You may say that this will never happen, and it probably won't to the degree of the Premier League, but everybody in the world wants what everybody else has, and it isn't possible.

 

Yup, Scotland is a different country. It has a totally seperate entity regarding football. But so does Wales. Swansea, a WELSH club playing in the top flight of England.

 

Your fans, in their present position, already have more than most fans do, but your clubs have no more right of passage into the English leagues as Barcelona do, or Club Brugge, and we both know it won't happen, as there is no benefit what so ever for any English clubs to be had, other than an already small piece of the cake getting smaller.

 

It isn't an impossibility but I don't think it'll happen in the future. We have just as much right to be there than Swansea. Cardiff and Wrexham.

 

There has been talk of a European league for the top clubs, but once again, that is simply a case of the big clubs wanting everything for themselves, and balls to everybody else (similar to the birth of the Prem) but it wouldn't work outside of the current European competitions, as how could fans possibly afford to travel abroad every other week. Isn't football already expensive enough?

 

Agreed.

 

There is nothing to stop Scottish fans from supporting English clubs, but as far as becoming part of the English set up, it won't happen.

 

I know plenty of people that support the Man Uniteds, Chelseas and Citys. I call them glory hunters

 

A Scottish v English cup is the best you could hope for.

 

Probably.

[Bhoy]

It's not possible Rubes.

 

It would need to be a straight entrance into the Prem (Championship at worst) or nothing, as their financial foundation would crumble should they be put in the lower leagues. They just couldn't continue as the clubs we know today. They would have only a fraction of their current funding, and would basically have to become a Conference club, to survive, if that makes sense.

 

You seem to know a lot about Celtic's finances ... This isn't true. We are one of only 2 clubs in the whole of the United Kingdom with a BILLIONAIRE on our board.

[pete0]

If Pompey or other go into admin and face going bust a Scottish club should be able to buy their spot like MK Dons. Any other route bar starting from the bottom is too unfair.

[Bhoy]

I actually think starting from the bottom is the fairest option.