CraccerC Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 (edited) 'God' creates an immovable object. Can 'God' move it? Edited November 17, 2007 by CraccerC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 No. Why? Because 'God' is a fictional character from a very poorly written book, so therefore the immovable object does not exist in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 (edited) well if you believe then it's a tough question to answer, if you don't then i guess it's easy but if you ask to someone who believe, see what they have to say, because if you think it exists then it really is difficult to answer. Edited November 17, 2007 by CraccerC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 God doesn't make immovable objects because he doesn't exist, nature does. Therefore God can't move an immovable object, nature can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 is anyone relgious in the slightest here? i would be interested to hear their point of view,it's easy for you lot to say he doesn't exist lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I do philosophy atm and where talking about god and that, id say he can move it as he is the creator but you can easily argue that he cant move it as it is unmovable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 It depends on how you visulise God i suppose, if you see him as a man then I suppose he can't move the object as he only has the strength of a man, but if you see him as superhuman then he can achieve anything. Disclaimer : I don't believe in God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 (edited) I do philosophy atm and where talking about god and that, id say he can move it as he is the creator but you can easily argue that he cant move it as it is unmovable. exactly because 'God' is called 'God' because 'God' is omnipotent, so to say that 'God' can't create something that is actually unmovable, doesn't that suggest 'God' isn't 'God' at all? and yorkie, 'God' is perceived to be non-human, Jesus was 'Gods' human 'form', so 'God' isn't human, hence the name 'God'. For the record I consider myself Catholic. Edited November 17, 2007 by CraccerC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 im a catholic, but i only go to church when someone dies, i never pray, and pretty much dont believe. translation; when i was born my family decided i was to be catholic, i grew up to decide its bollocks. but i have learnt a few things in life, one of them is do not discus religion! only leads to problems! (war?) interesting question thou mike, ill have to ask my fellow none believers coz answers like marks make my chuckle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 im a catholic, but i only go to church when someone dies, i never pray, and pretty much dont believe. translation; when i was born my family decided i was to be catholic, i grew up to decide its bollocks. but i have learnt a few things in life, one of them is do not discus religion! only leads to problems! (war?) interesting question thou mike, ill have to ask my fellow none believers coz answers like marks make my chuckle I caused uproar in a Sociology lesson at college once because I said the Bible was just a fairy tale and a crap one at that. I found it quite funny though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zequist Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 I've asked that question of believers before, in the common variation "Could God make an object so big even he can't lift it?" The best answer I've come up with between what others have said and my own ponderings on the subject is that in order for God to be perfect he must also be immune from paradox, which means that there IS a solution to the problem that he understands and we (with our feebly limited human comprehension) do not. We as humans think in terms of "either/or," i.e. an object is either liftable or it isn't, not both, because that is our reality. But God is not bound by our reality and our rules; he can do anything. Therefore he could make an object that is both liftable and not liftable at the same time if he wanted to; such a thing would be impossible for us, but not for him. It's hard to translate from my head onto paper (or screen), but I hope I'm at least sorta getting the gist across. JD - A believer in God (though an open-minded and oft-questioning one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 (edited) yeh i feel that way too, but its impossible to answer because of our limitations. we can only believe and i think you worded itbrilliantly, i am impressed by that responsse, whether it means anything to you or not lol Edited November 18, 2007 by CraccerC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Hey you guys!........No God probably means No Heaven!!!....In that case where does Dixie,Brian Labone, Alan Ball and all the other good Blues play their home games? HELL!....I sure as hell hope their is a Heaven....and a God!!!......Kinda makes it all worth while! Trouble is living, tends to lead you towards the notion that there probably isn't!! I read Vinny Jones's autobiography the other day!.....And he believes his dead Grandad is still with him and guides him.....always looking in kind of thing!! Now if Vinny say's that's what's going on!....hey I'm not arguing! Mind you I don't really want my Nan looking in on me........at certain times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Hey you guys!........No God probably means No Heaven!!!....In that case where does Dixie,Brian Labone, Alan Ball and all the other good Blues play their home games? HELL!....I sure as hell hope their is a Heaven....and a God!!!......Kinda makes it all worth while! Trouble is living, tends to lead you towards the notion that there probably isn't!! I read Vinny Jones's autobiography the other day!.....And he believes his dead Grandad is still with him and guides him.....always looking in kind of thing!! Now if Vinny say's that's what's going on!....hey I'm not arguing! Mind you I don't really want my Nan looking in on me........at certain times In all that waffle do you actually answer the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 someone had to come with a stupid reply, it was expected. could have been worse i guess, i could have posted it on kipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 In all that waffle do you actually answer the question? Don't get it do yar!..........There is no answer.......only opinions! I suppose I could have just trashed the hole idea, like yourself! Any way, just for you!......I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE A GOD!.....I JUST DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE!.......It's all in there somewhere! I caused uproar in a Sociology lesson at college once because I said the Bible was just a fairy tale and a crap one at that. I found it quite funny though.........CLEVER! Like someone said a few posts back any question about God or religion, usually ends up with arguements....then war! STUPID QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 exactly because 'God' is called 'God' because 'God' is omnipotent, so to say that 'God' can't create something that is actually unmovable, doesn't that suggest 'God' isn't 'God' at all? DON'T PUT IT ON KIPPER FORREST!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 a stupid question you would be able to answer. it's not a stupid question at all, especially not to people who care about religion. in it not being possible to answer it's not stupid, it's fascinating to many, but judging by your posts, your intelligence isn't quite up to it. so if you think it's stupid, then don't post in the thread, jog on ya toby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 a stupid question you would be able to answer. it's not a stupid question at all, especially not to people who care about religion I did the Sunday School thing as a kid, and actually enjoyed it.Taught about Jesus and God, all kind of made sence to me, I believed what I was told and to be honest hoped it was right.The teaching were reinforced by my parents!....so it all had to be true, didn't it? The Bible!....Yes only a book, but a set of rules that loosly followed didn't really do any harm, in fact true christians, in fact the followers of any religion, who don't preach to others and just follow their code are mostly peace loving nice people and a credit to their God! With age come experience and the things I was taught as a kid have been severly tested as have most peoples.....leading to a very big question mark over the whole religious thing. I admire people like JD in DC for his conviction (even if at times he's uncertain)....good luck to him. I stated my own thoughts! !......I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE A GOD!.....I JUST DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE!.......It's all in there somewhere! As for the question! Well perhaps it's not a stupid question....but you ain't going to find the answer on a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 you won't find an answer anywhere, i appreciate that you decided to make a post more serious and ontop though. unfortunately i'm out of gold stars j/p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Religion isnt my thing at all, as far as I can see it's created far more pain than good in the history of man. As for the question a 'god' is the creator of all so he / she should be able to create an imovable object but as an all powerfull god should also be able to move that 'imovable' object meaning it is no longar an imovable object. Chicken and egg type question IMO with no definitive answer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 unfortunately i'm out of gold stars j/p That's not a problem!I stopped collecting them when I finished Sunday School! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Religion isnt my thing at all, as far as I can see it's created far more pain than good in the history of man. As for the question a 'god' is the creator of all so he / she should be able to create an imovable object but as an all powerfull god should also be able to move that 'imovable' object meaning it is no longar an imovable object. Chicken and egg type question IMO with no definitive answer! i was told a very good answer to that question - it was the egg as evolution has taken place, even if just one gene was was changed it resulted in a different species, therefore what ever layed the egg layed a new bread of animal, therefore the egg has came first (sorry if that doesnt make sense) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Been away so i missed all this, My view..... NO SUCH THING AS AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT. there is nothing bigger than the world itself and the world is constantly moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Been away so i missed all this, My view..... NO SUCH THING AS AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT. there is nothing bigger than the world itself and the world is constantly moving. The sun? Floored argument Bill!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Two words...Big Bang . Everything in the universe is moving at a gazillion mph...what is beyond it? What was here (or not) before it? It's impossible to get your brain around and you'll go mad if you try so religion is a way of not thinking about it. Have said before don't get religion at all and find it unfathomable how so many otherwise seemingly intelligent people believe in such (imo) irrational fantasy, but I have no problem with people doing so as long as they don't knock on my door to try and "save" me or try to blow me up in an aeroplane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 The sun? Floored argument Bill!! Floored or Flawed Liam ?? its a personal belief but i still maintain that nothing is immovable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Floored or Flawed Liam ?? its a personal belief but i still maintain that nothing is immovable. Wrote it, thought that's not right then the boss came in! Gota admit tho I'd have had to look it up to get the correct spelling :| Anyway who made you spelling police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 When you mentioned SUN and Floored in the same post i thought you where on about a Newspaper. :P Just wanted to Clarify it. ( Newspaper to describe the SUN = TERM USED VERY LIGHTLY.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 if you are thinking of the world as a whole, then 'immovable' objects don't move, the earth does. but for the sake of the question, earth isn't everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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