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#41 jamiemaher85

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Posted 11 Dec 2008 - 11:13

There's a difference between not being fast and being unbelievably slow, players like Keane and Vieira were real athletes, when Keane started to lose his pace then he got put in a sitting role who hardly ventured forward and he was nothing like the player he was initially. That's what happens when players get older, they lose their pace and generally become less effective, unless they are defenders or goalkeepers. Fellaini is not just lacking in pace - most of our players are only moderately quick, we have little in the way of genuine pace throughout the side, Yobo aside - but he is incredibly slow, that is a worry as it is not something that can be fixed, you either have pace or you don't.

I can understand your gripe abut pace but as i've stated before he is no slower than the majority of our squad. in comparison with anichibe he looks like road runner, cahill and arteta are also two other players who completly lack pace. If you are going to criticis Fellaini about pace then these players need to come under greater scrutiny. Fellaini is playing in a central midfielder and a key part of there game does not need to be pace. Cahill who plays attacking mid should have pace, arteta who is supposed to operate down the wing should have pace, vic who plays upfront should have pace, fellaini is in one of the parts of the park where pacce does not need to be a huge facet of his game. As long as he is using the rest of his strengths then he can get away without the need to sprint around all the time, other players, i.e wingers and forwards, are the players who should be the ones making the runs and the ones with the pace. we can't expect every player of ours to have perfect attributes in every department, but the fact is that they don't need to be perfect in every department. Fellaini may not be the fastest player, neither is he the slowest, but he times his runs well and his timing in the box is very good. if a player has good timing then they can operate without pace, that is why Cahill has done so well for us in the past.
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#42 carlmc25

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Posted 11 Dec 2008 - 12:35

I can understand your gripe abut pace but as i've stated before he is no slower than the majority of our squad. in comparison with anichibe he looks like road runner, cahill and arteta are also two other players who completly lack pace. If you are going to criticis Fellaini about pace then these players need to come under greater scrutiny. Fellaini is playing in a central midfielder and a key part of there game does not need to be pace. Cahill who plays attacking mid should have pace, arteta who is supposed to operate down the wing should have pace, vic who plays upfront should have pace, fellaini is in one of the parts of the park where pacce does not need to be a huge facet of his game. As long as he is using the rest of his strengths then he can get away without the need to sprint around all the time, other players, i.e wingers and forwards, are the players who should be the ones making the runs and the ones with the pace. we can't expect every player of ours to have perfect attributes in every department, but the fact is that they don't need to be perfect in every department. Fellaini may not be the fastest player, neither is he the slowest, but he times his runs well and his timing in the box is very good. if a player has good timing then they can operate without pace, that is why Cahill has done so well for us in the past.

I totally disagree though, although Cahill and Arteta are no Aaron Lennon, I personally think they are far quicker than Fellaini. Arteta possibly lacked a little pace to play successfully on the wing anymore, but he has more than enough to play in CM and the fact that he DID play on the wing so successfully for about 12 months (prior to the last 12 months!) shows he must have some pace as otherwise he would never have been able to operate out there - I mean do you honestly think Fellaini could do anything out on the wing? I don't think Cahill is slow at all and Anichebe looks pretty quick to me, in the match the other day he looked a bit off it but that was possibly because he was injured and also knackered, plenty of times last season in Europe he showed decent pace. We don't have a really fast team, Yobo aside, but I think there is only Fellaini who I consider to be really slow. I like the guy but for me, it's a worry as every other slow midfielder I can think of (Hamann, Keane in his later years etc) could only play the one role and that was sitting in front of the back 4 - where Fellaini is not getting played and on performances so far, most of his skills seem to be in the opposition box. He has definitely given us some much needed height and his play on the ball is fairly decent, although hardly Fabregas in quality, and he has definitely improved virtually week on week so I'm hoping he will go on to become an Everton legend, but as I said, I have some concerns on his workrate/speed.
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#43 marcopaulo

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Posted 11 Dec 2008 - 17:48

find another 20 year old who is as good as fabregas in the premiership? you'll be strugglin the guy is in a class of his own for his age and position so no point comparing them two is there. also no pace oh well carsley didnt and neither does cahill so if he does either job he can do it aswell or better
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Posted 11 Dec 2008 - 18:52

I totally disagree though, although Cahill and Arteta are no Aaron Lennon, I personally think they are far quicker than Fellaini. Arteta possibly lacked a little pace to play successfully on the wing anymore, but he has more than enough to play in CM and the fact that he DID play on the wing so successfully for about 12 months (prior to the last 12 months!) shows he must have some pace as otherwise he would never have been able to operate out there - I mean do you honestly think Fellaini could do anything out on the wing? I don't think Cahill is slow at all and Anichebe looks pretty quick to me, in the match the other day he looked a bit off it but that was possibly because he was injured and also knackered, plenty of times last season in Europe he showed decent pace. We don't have a really fast team, Yobo aside, but I think there is only Fellaini who I consider to be really slow. I like the guy but for me, it's a worry as every other slow midfielder I can think of (Hamann, Keane in his later years etc) could only play the one role and that was sitting in front of the back 4 - where Fellaini is not getting played and on performances so far, most of his skills seem to be in the opposition box. He has definitely given us some much needed height and his play on the ball is fairly decent, although hardly Fabregas in quality, and he has definitely improved virtually week on week so I'm hoping he will go on to become an Everton legend, but as I said, I have some concerns on his workrate/speed.

I see your points about concerns over his pace, but i thnk that concerns over his workrate are a little harsh, i don't see any problems with is workrate all, he puts in more than cahill does at the moment. He does flag towards the end of games but that is Moyes who should be taking him off and resting him a little, everyone here knows that he flags at the end of games so i don't see why moyes persists with him al game, anyway.

As for the pace issue, i know he couldn't operate on the wing, but we don't need him too. I know that he isn't that fast but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't need to be for the position he is, and as i said before his timing is good so at least he can compencate for lack of pace with a knowledge of when to make the runs and how to use himself effectivly. He is a large strong player and cause problems for the oppositions, you can definatly tell that he causes alot of intimidation.

Finally, the comparisons with Cesc are pointless (this is not solely directed at you carl) Cesc is a class above most players in the league, even world, the only thing you can compare between them is age and few players have achieved what cesc has and become the player cesc has in such a short time
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Posted 12 Dec 2008 - 13:53

find another 20 year old who is as good as fabregas in the premiership? you'll be strugglin the guy is in a class of his own for his age and position so no point comparing them two is there. also no pace oh well carsley didnt and neither does cahill so if he does either job he can do it aswell or better

Carsley did have pace though, he man marked Gerrard out of a couple of derby's. He definitely lost a touch of his pace in the last couple of years, but in no way was he slow, he was still far quicker than Hamann or Fellaini.
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#46 marcopaulo

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Posted 13 Dec 2008 - 11:31

wasn't really quick though and in last couple years as you say he lost it he was still awesome. just think the lad is expected to do 2 jobs and he cant
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Posted 15 Dec 2008 - 10:51

Him and arteta have taken our team to the next level with there performances lately, fellaini doesnt need pace and to be perfectly honest theres alot slower players in our team, all I would like to see from him more is aggression on the pitch. I would like to think every midfielder in the premiership is scared of him and thats something he could make happen.

Edited by Blue4Ever, 15 Dec 2008 - 10:53.

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Posted 15 Dec 2008 - 10:57

he's drifted out there the last 20 minutes of the last two games, if u have concerns over him u cannot be watching all our games, him and arteta have taken our team to the next level with there performances lately, fellaini doesnt need pace and to be perfectly honest theres alot slower players in our team, all I would like to see from him more is aggression on the pitch.



He already has more yellow cards than any other player in the squad, if he adds agression to his stupid tackles he'll end up suspended for half the season. :)
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Posted 15 Dec 2008 - 11:31

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He already has more yellow cards than any other player in the squad, if he adds agression to his stupid tackles he'll end up suspended for half the season. :)


He was sooooo close to getting through the City game without a yellow....90th minute I think :) .
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Posted 15 Dec 2008 - 23:53

HE IS NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD PLAYER i am really getting irritated about people complaining do people even watch the games he is always up front
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Posted 16 Dec 2008 - 00:24

HE IS NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD PLAYER i am really getting irritated about people complaining do people even watch the games he is always up front


So he says he's a defensive mid and you say he's not :huh: .

Let me just think about it a minute and I'll decide who I think is in the best position to judge :P .
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Posted 16 Dec 2008 - 04:43

Haha beat me to it Mike :lol:
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Posted 16 Dec 2008 - 05:37

I have heard david moyes say he is not and have you watched an everton game he plays up from -.- so much for being an everton fan if he says it than he is not a very bright lad
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Posted 16 Dec 2008 - 06:08

what ever he is hes playing really well i didnt min d him getting booked saturday as it looked like the kid was on a run and to give a foul away there was better then the edge of the area he is improving hes come into a side that started really poor but are digging there heels in now and hes looking good
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Posted 16 Dec 2008 - 09:25

I have heard david moyes say he is not and have you watched an everton game he plays up from -.- so much for being an everton fan if he says it than he is not a very bright lad


What position the player thinks he is comfortable at playing and where the manager wants him to play are two different things.
Just look at Lescott, JLo says he is a Centre Back but Moyes always plays him at Left Back.
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Posted 17 Dec 2008 - 11:51

Carsley did have pace though, he man marked Gerrard out of a couple of derby's. He definitely lost a touch of his pace in the last couple of years, but in no way was he slow, he was still far quicker than Hamann or Fellaini.


you are just happy to lie to make your point stick aren't you?
Carsley never had "pace" he wasn't always slow as fuck, he still isnt, but to say he had pace is just blatantly wrong. and Gerrards hardly lightening is he
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Posted 17 Dec 2008 - 23:42

you are just happy to lie to make your point stick aren't you?
Carsley never had "pace" he wasn't always slow as fuck, he still isnt, but to say he had pace is just blatantly wrong. and Gerrards hardly lightening is he

sorry steve but gerrards got more pace than people think, the only players we have that are quicker are probably Yobo and Vaughan.

Edited by Blue4Ever, 17 Dec 2008 - 23:43.

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Posted 18 Dec 2008 - 16:51

sorry steve but gerrards got more pace than people think, the only players we have that are quicker are probably Yobo and Vaughan.



Doesn't OPTA or someone keep stats on pace? They ranked AJ first last year no? I bet we can settle this issue.

Also, don't see how he's a defensive midfielder at all, he'll be a box to box player that can tackle once he's fully settle, but for now he's more of an attacker than a defender in the games i've seen (most every one this season).
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 - 17:33

I read that Aj was fastest at one point on the Nike website, but it said he was faster with the ball than without. must be a mistake surely?
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Posted 19 Dec 2008 - 02:34

sorry steve but gerrards got more pace than people think, the only players we have that are quicker are probably Yobo and Vaughan.


im not saying gerrards slow, im saying hes not a player who will scare you with his pace, agbonlahor, walcott, real pace. hes quick, as any attacking player should be, but id be suprised if he was quicker than cahill even.
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Posted 19 Dec 2008 - 12:40

you are just happy to lie to make your point stick aren't you?
Carsley never had "pace" he wasn't always slow as fuck, he still isnt, but to say he had pace is just blatantly wrong. and Gerrards hardly lightening is he

er what? Gerrard is damn quick, he may not be Theo Walcott but apart from possibly Torres he's probably the quickest player in the Liverpool team. He's one of the quickest central midfielders in the league (in fact I can't think of anyone quicker) and Carsley kept with him, Carsley was not slow at all and did have pace. He may not have had the pace to play on the wing (although he did play there on occasions, as did Steven Gerrard when he scored about 20 goals in a season - not bad for a 'slow' player on the wing) but as we are talking about central midfielders here then yes, he did have pace for that position.

So no, I'm not happy to lie as that's not what I do, so stop being a tit and actually think about what I'm saying rather than automatically disagreeing with it.
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Posted 20 Dec 2008 - 09:35

ok carl, i do appologise, carsley was very fast. now please excuse me while i go and piss my pants

Edited by StevO, 20 Dec 2008 - 09:35.

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