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#41 Adpom

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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 15:02

tbh i'm not convinced on Jo, yes he scored 6 goals, but everyone was at home. When we played away it was like playing with 10 men, Jo simplely didn't cut it. Against Chelsea he should have had a hat-trick but missed all, an all 3 were easy chances, didn't have the power or cutting edge(the likes of torres who was only 2 mil more has)
Maybe when he gets more games that will come, Should Yak an Saha be fit i can see Jo as a 3rd striker, as i'd take both above him currently. We have Vaughan who i think has this year to show good he is.

however he is free an another stiker is good. so maybe.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 15:14

There's no doubt that Liverpool did a very good piece of business getting Torres for 20M. Today he'd surely be worth 40-60, and City certainly overpaid. 18M for a player that's only played in a second rate league is certainly over the odds. Arsenal only paid what, 12M for Arshavin, and I know who I'd take.

At any rate Jo is definitely a superior talent to Anichebe, and if we can get him on loan without sacrificing anything too serious then we'd be daft not to take him.

It's been mentioned before, but I would also be happy if we got Jo, Richards and some cash for Lescott. Also have to imagine that Vic might well go out on loan this year.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 15:38

I rate them equally.

They both use their bodies to they're advantage.

Anichebe uses his chubby little build to run at people - it doesn't work though. If, and if, he is playing a team like West Brom and can grab a 1 on 1, he'll miss every time.

Lanky Jo isn't strong, but he'll hold up the ball and if he is out muscled, will win us a free kick. In 1 on 1's, Jo has something Anichebe doesn't, and that's a natural left foot.

Anichebe would be more suited to Rugby IMO.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 16:49

Mate i dont like to sound like im insulting you but your off your rocker what has land of hope and all that shite got to do with the fact that Anichebe obviously chose Nigeria because they are not as good as England and he would not get in the senior England squad in a million years!

Your basing your opinion and view on that Jo will be shite this season and will see that now he put in some good performances for us whilst on loan and scored a few goals wheras Anichebe has been shite since 2006 so based on what you are saying and going by your own valuations i cant see how you can rate a player who's done fuckall in three years to a player that has had very little time with a new squad and scored half the amount the other has in 70 games? and any shite wont do thats one of the reasons i think most Evertonians dont wont Vic with us anymore because we are carring a 13 stone bag of shit around with us.

The best thing to do is to see how he plays for Hull as im sure he wont be wearing and Everton shirt next season and if he's as good as the very few think.

He maybe playin for Hull next season,and I`m not explainin myself again about England and me not givin a shit about them ......you was the one who started talkin about how good the U21`s were,not interested!!!
All`s I`m sayin is Jo is not good enough for my team Everton....and I would rather have Anichebe any day than pay City`s cast offs wages, which no doubt would be at least double Vic`s.

Nope actually I have Neville's on last season's and I'm getting Jagielka this year.



Why, do you have Anichebe on yours?

Bit too old for all that son :D

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Any shite will do? I thought that was you by accepting Anichebe because "at least he can run" and he came through our ranks.

Agree to disagree, I can't be bothered going round in circles.

Just make sure you have the tissues at hand mate if we sign someone half decent !

I rate them equally.

They both use their bodies to they're advantage.

Anichebe uses his chubby little build to run at people - it doesn't work though. If, and if, he is playing a team like West Brom and can grab a 1 on 1, he'll miss every time.

Lanky Jo isn't strong, but he'll hold up the ball and if he is out muscled, will win us a free kick. In 1 on 1's, Jo has something Anichebe doesn't, and that's a natural left foot.

Anichebe would be more suited to Rugby IMO.

Natural eh !!! :lol:

Edited by StevO, 30 Jun 2009 - 20:13.

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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 17:42

He maybe playin for Hull next season,and I`m not explainin myself again about England and me not givin a shit about them ......you was the one who started talkin about how good the U21`s were,not interested!!!
All`s I`m sayin is Jo is not good enough for my team Everton....and I would rather have Anichebe any day than pay City`s cast offs wages, which no doubt would be at least double Vic`s.


He was begged to join the England U21`s and opted for Nigeria (best chioce considerin England are shite).

Land of hope and glory and all that shite.......couldnt give a flyin fuck about the cockney national side ,just mentioned the fact that they tried to persuade him even after he made it obvious he didnt want to play for the cockneys.....the discussion is about Anichebe and Jo and in my opinion I would have Victor any day of the week.



Not one person is asking you to explain a thing my point was you said he was begged to play for the U21's and that England are shite, You where the first person to mention it not me nor anyone else so if you talk shit on a forum people will pick at it.

He was not begged he was asked the reason im pointing that out is because your talking shite and making him sound as if he's a player that one of the best national youth sides in the world are desperate for which he was not.

If you dont like England thats another story and has nothing to do with me but you mixed it into this topic by saying the above, Its ridiculas to consider Nigeria a top national side or even as good as England hence my point Anichebe may have played a few games for the U21's if he had opted to play for them but not in a thousand years would he have had a shot at the senior squad ever!
So thats the point he opted for them because he's simply not good enough to progress with England whereas he could with a weaker side like Nigeria and he and his agent know that i think anyone can see that.

Your opinion is your own and i respect that but to me its madness to compare a 21 lad who's had x-amount of chances and has not taken it on fully in three years to another young lad of 22 who's had abit of a rough start over here comes to a new club and scores 1 in 2 and looks more in place with us then Vic and puts in a better shift.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 18:42

He was begged to join the England U21`s and opted for Nigeria (best chioce considerin England are shite).

Land of hope and glory and all that shite.......couldnt give a flyin fuck about the cockney national side ,just mentioned the fact that they tried to persuade him even after he made it obvious he didnt want to play for the cockneys.....the discussion is about Anichebe and Jo and in my opinion I would have Victor any day of the week.



Not one person is asking you to explain a thing my point was you said he was begged to play for the U21's and that England are shite, You where the first person to mention it not me nor anyone else so if you talk shit on a forum people will pick at it.

He was not begged he was asked the reason im pointing that out is because your talking shite and making him sound as if he's a player that one of the best national youth sides in the world are desperate for which he was not.

If you dont like England thats another story and has nothing to do with me but you mixed it into this topic by saying the above, Its ridiculas to consider Nigeria a top national side or even as good as England hence my point Anichebe may have played a few games for the U21's if he had opted to play for them but not in a thousand years would he have had a shot at the senior squad ever!
So thats the point he opted for them because he's simply not good enough to progress with England whereas he could with a weaker side like Nigeria and he and his agent know that i think anyone can see that.

Your opinion is your own and i respect that but to me its madness to compare a 21 lad who's had x-amount of chances and has not taken it on fully in three years to another young lad of 22 who's had abit of a rough start over here comes to a new club and scores 1 in 2 and looks more in place with us then Vic and puts in a better shift.

Quite a long piece about England there kid but like I said "not interested"
Your right everyone has got their own opinion and I`m not sayin Vik is the answer cos he`s not.
I just found it amusing that some people on here are actually excited about the thought of us gettin a striker that a team who finished below us dont want.
I will hold my hands up and say I`m wrong if he does do the biz.......but somehow cant see it
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 18:49

I didn't say I was excited about signing him, I said it was good news. I was actually pretty down on us signing him in the first place and thought he'd be absolutely shite, but after watching him he changed my mind and he does have quality - certainly much more than Anichebe will ever have. It's not an exciting signing (if it happens) because he's not world class, and lets face it, if he was world class he wouldn't even be a possible signing would he? Everton are a club that slowly replaces current places with slightly better players than we already have and that is what this possible transfer would be doing.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 18:55

"Quality" ...oh well everyone to their own. :lol:
So who exactly is he replacin ???
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 18:59

"Quality" ...oh well everyone to their own. :lol:
So who exactly is he replacin ???



Anichebe. The less we see of him the better.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 19:03

Anichebe. The less we see of him the better.

Tut tut.....so you know somethin we dont,please tell all :rolleyes:
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 19:04

Tut tut.....so you know somethin we dont,please tell all :rolleyes:



He doesn't have to leave to be replaced. A new signing would drop him down the pecking order; if he was ever in the pecking order at all.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 19:16

Thought so ! :wacko:
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 19:27

Ok kids , playtime is over and the big boys are back from work :lol:

I like Jo , he's cute in a non weird way and happy , and I like that in a football player .
He has a good brain , and some decent experience , but he is a bit weak in the old shot department and also upper body strength .
I would rather of signed him on the cheap than loaned him though , as he seems the sort of guy who needs to know where home is , and be wanted .

Anichebe get's a tough time of it , but he also has a lot more to offer a club than people give him credit for .
He's very strong , and very determined , though his end product is lacking through lack of experience and confidence .
He has the ability to come good though , which is why it would be a good move for him to go out on loan and secure a first team place somewhere .
During the Uefa run , he looked absolute class , and you can't fluke class that many times . Moyes should have given him a much bigger opportunity to develop from that , but obviously didn't , hence why it might be good for him to go on loan .

I don't think he is clever / sharp enough to be top class , but he has the potential to step up to the next level if given the time on the pitch .
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 19:44

60 to 70 games is enough time to show what your made of and more then enough time to come good in my opinion i can not see how people think he may come good when he's had three years to prove to the coaching staff the manager and us that he has what it takes like some have said if it was the case he had it in him and he is even an ounce as good as people hope then surely when we had no fit strikers he would have played?

To many signs point to him never developing into a player of any merit his age gets dragged up all the time he's 21 an adult not a kid the time he's had to prove his worth 3 years and as mentioned he had the chance to step in and show all us doubters he had what it takes and Moyes the man who knows best played Cahill instead hmmm.

In the Uefa cup he did do well "class" he was far from but did play very well at times, I like how you mentioned Jo and clubs like Wigan and co but campare them to the clubs who Vic had decent games against in the Uefa Metalist Kharkiv, Larissa, FC Nürnberg and SK Brann hardly names to shout about are they kid?

Also Bigduncsma the post was not soley about England you mentioned them first not me i was just putting to bed your daft theory that he chose Nigeria who are shite over us and that we desperatly wanted him for the U21's.

Anyway i cant be arsed with this topic now because its getting that daft its becoming funny.

Edited by EFC-Paul, 30 Jun 2009 - 19:48.

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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:05

Your quite right efctaxi regarding Anichebe a loan stint might do him good,but IMO wouldnt sell him cos these type of things tend to come back and bite you on the hoop !!
As for Jo again IMO wouldnt entertain him as there is much better options out there.
EFC paul ....think I may have touched a raw nerve regarding National sides,draw a line under it me thinks.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:14

Your quite right efctaxi regarding Anichebe a loan stint might do him good,but IMO wouldnt sell him cos these type of things tend to come back and bite you on the hoop !!
As for Jo again IMO wouldnt entertain him as there is much better options out there.
EFC paul ....think I may have touched a raw nerve regarding National sides,draw a line under it me thinks.
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Such as? And i mean payable options.
Jo has a nose for goals, 6 in 12(?) games is good seeing he's new to Everton after not playing for half a year, and at young age.
And we could get him as a part of the lescott to Manchester deal for a reasonable price.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:21

I just found it amusing that some people on here are actually excited about the thought of us gettin a striker that a team who finished below us dont want.


so on that basis, you wouldnt take steven ireland? you wouldnt take wright-phillips? or even robinho? just because their team finished below us?

im not jo's biggest fan, im not too arsed if we get him or not. but to say he isnt as good as vic is just crazy!
a lad of his size cant stay on his feet, hes so big and strong but he cant hit a shot with power, i wont even talk about his accuracy!
vic does not have the ability, attitude and seemingly the desire, to push himself to improve enough to play for us on a regular basis. thats just my opinion, lets try moyes opinion.

WE HAD NO FIT STRIKERS!!! ANICHEBE DID NOT GET A GAME!!!

maybe its worth walking down to the local stables, take out one of the unicorns and ride it all the way to the fountain of youth! that would be just as much fantasy as vics ability as a premier league forward.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:30

Ijust dont think Jo is good enough for Everton,too gangly and thin to be a top striker and has a very weak shot.
But thats my opinion
Think Owen on a free would be a better option proven goalscorer for many a year now.
Also Van Nistelrooy has been mentioned too,now he is class even if he is gettin on.
As for Lescott goin to City......just give us the 20-25 million,and no cast offs.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:38

so on that basis, you wouldnt take steven ireland? you wouldnt take wright-phillips? or even robinho? just because their team finished below us?

im not jo's biggest fan, im not too arsed if we get him or not. but to say he isnt as good as vic is just crazy!
a lad of his size cant stay on his feet, hes so big and strong but he cant hit a shot with power, i wont even talk about his accuracy!
vic does not have the ability, attitude and seemingly the desire, to push himself to improve enough to play for us on a regular basis. thats just my opinion, lets try moyes opinion.

WE HAD NO FIT STRIKERS!!! ANICHEBE DID NOT GET A GAME!!!

maybe its worth walking down to the local stables, take out one of the unicorns and ride it all the way to the fountain of youth! that would be just as much fantasy as vics ability as a premier league forward.

The thing is matey.....they dont want rid of their decent players like Ireland,Robinho or Wright Phillips its the shite their tryin to get rid of !!!
Unicorns,fountain of youth.........is that what mummy is readin to you
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:47

The thing is matey.....they dont want rid of their decent players like Ireland,Robinho or Wright Phillips its the shite their tryin to get rid of !!!
Unicorns,fountain of youth.........is that what mummy is readin to you


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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:53

Just thought I would give some ....shall we say older persons point of view.
Only just realised quite a few members on here seem to be getting the beautiful game mixed up with the computer/console version :mario:
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 20:53

The thing is matey.....they dont want rid of their decent players like Ireland,Robinho or Wright Phillips its the shite their tryin to get rid of !!!
Unicorns,fountain of youth.........is that what mummy is readin to you


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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:04

Such as? And i mean payable options.
Jo has a nose for goals, 6 in 12(?) games is good seeing he's new to Everton after not playing for half a year, and at young age.
And we could get him as a part of the lescott to Manchester deal for a reasonable price.



He has scored 5 goals that I am aware of .
2 against Bolton ( 1 flukey turn and 1 x penalty )
1 against Stoke . Beats offside and keeper let's ball roll underneath him .
2 against Wigan . 1 well placed left foot shot and 1 tap in from a saved Fellaini shot .

All goals were at home .

That's only 3 matches were he pulled his finger out regarding goals remember , so let's not get too carried away with the guy .

I think he can do better with a full season , but come on , I hope it's not at the expense of a major striker signing .
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:19

He has scored 5 goals that I am aware of .
2 against Bolton ( 1 flukey turn and 1 x penalty )
1 against Stoke . Beats offside and keeper let's ball roll underneath him .
2 against Wigan . 1 well placed left foot shot and 1 tap in from a saved Fellaini shot .

All goals were at home .

That's only 3 matches were he pulled his finger out regarding goals remember , so let's not get too carried away with the guy .

I think he can do better with a full season , but come on , I hope it's not at the expense of a major striker signing .


It wont be at the expense of a major signing if the rumour is true then thats the point we dont have the money to spend, H e will cost very little in todays game and given time could become a very good player for us in the coming season, If we get him i would be pleased if not then so beit im sure if we can keep Yakubu fit and JV aswell we will be fine with Saha aswell.

The reason why people are pushing figures about is the Vic Jo debate its not to overhype Jo we all know he's not a world class player but alot better then Vic.

Bigduncsma there is no need to get smarmy with people and lower their views because you think you are right it doesnt really fit here mate.
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:32

It wont be at the expense of a major signing if the rumour is true then thats the point we dont have the money to spend, H e will cost very little in todays game and given time could become a very good player for us in the coming season, If we get him i would be pleased if not then so beit im sure if we can keep Yakubu fit and JV aswell we will be fine with Saha aswell.

The reason why people are pushing figures about is the Vic Jo debate its not to overhype Jo we all know he's not a world class player but alot better then Vic.

Bigduncsma there is no need to get smarmy with people and lower their views because you think you are right it doesnt really fit here mate.

Only get smarmy kid when they do with me,like I said an older persons point of view thats all and we all have them and if it has rattled a few cages so be it.....mate ;)
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:45

Only get smarmy kid when they do with me,like I said an older persons point of view thats all and we all have them and if it has rattled a few cages so be it.....mate ;)


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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:49

Are you a lady BDM ?
No offense meant if you're not .

Ha ha deffo not mate,and none taken :D
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:52

Ha ha deffo not mate,and none taken :D


Sorry fella . :lol:
Just noticed the ' ma ' lol .
Wasn't taking the p as you seem to understand :)
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Posted 30 Jun 2009 - 21:56

Sorry fella . :lol:
Just noticed the ' ma ' lol .
Wasn't taking the p as you seem to understand :)

And what a "Ma" she was god bless her :D
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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 00:10

i find it strange that an "older" person as you call yourself, holds dunc in high regard.
i dont know many that would have seen everton before the 90's who find him anything more than a waster.
im assuming you are over 35 as an older, at least.
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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 00:27

Im a youngen and still think Dunc was a legend but also a waste of space. To say Vic is better than Jo is basically silly imo, Jo is a half decent striker and I was not a fan of his at all before he signed and showed he has the potential to be a very useful player, I was the one saying he needs KE at the end of his name before his performances changed my mind, all be it against Chelsea he should have scored at least twice but he really stood out in that game as his holding of the ball was second to none. Yes I would like him back here on loan (and to those who say its free? probs not, wages and a loan fee will be paid by us) but I would like to see Chebs gone and replaced by Owen plus Jo brought in, we need the numbers in quality (not saying Owen is the same quality he was but Im a fan of his.)
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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 07:25

Jo has been selected (on more than one occasion) to play for Brazil.

He scored thirty goals in fifty three games at Moscow. Including Champions League. Playing (effectively) in a fridge :P .

I'm not sure how anyone of any age could put him behind Vic....but everyone's entitled to their opinion :) .
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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 07:36

i find it strange that an "older" person as you call yourself, holds dunc in high regard.
i dont know many that would have seen everton before the 90's who find him anything more than a waster.
im assuming you are over 35 as an older, at least.

You assumed right as older than 35, and yes I do hold "Big Dunc" in such high regard.
He was and still is adored by thousands of fans,you only have to witness it on matchdays,probably more shirts with Ferguson on their backs than any other player.
I`ve seen some great number 9`s from Latchford,Sharp,Gray and he is right their amongst them mate "in my opinion"

Jo has been selected (on more than one occasion) to play for Brazil.

He scored thirty goals in fifty three games at Moscow. Including Champions League. Playing (effectively) in a fridge :P .

I'm not sure how anyone of any age could put him behind Vic....but everyone's entitled to their opinion :) .

He may have scored 30 odd goals in Moscow,completely different league over here,and obviously City dont fancy him IMO.

P.S. I remember a certain Carlton Palmer playing more than 3 times for England :D

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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 09:16

Jo has been selected (on more than one occasion) to play for Brazil.

He scored thirty goals in fifty three games at Moscow. Including Champions League. Playing (effectively) in a fridge :P .

I'm not sure how anyone of any age could put him behind Vic....but everyone's entitled to their opinion :) .


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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 09:58

I'm not going to say Anichebe is better than Jo and it appears that Moyes is not his biggest fan so I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out on loan or is sold this year but personally, I think if we can get his head straight and cut out the niggling injuries Anichebe could become a very dangerous striker, Yakubu likened him to the new Drogba and whilst that is obviously fanciful, I certainly think he could become a more dangerous and clinical version of Heskey, IF (a big if) he stayed fit and got some games.

I have to confess that I am not overly impressed with Jo, I'm not going to complain if we get him on loan again but I wouldn't want us spending much money on him, he didn't exactly look the most dedicated of players and his finishing was not always the greatest. We need someone with a bit of desire and craft to play with the Yak, a better version of AJ or a target man with a nice touch.
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#76 MikeO

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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 10:38

2 caps :D

That's more than one isn't it :huh: ?

And according to wikipedia it's three, plus the Olympics.

P.S. I remember a certain Carlton Palmer playing more than 3 times for England :D

Unless he played for Brazil also I don't quite see your point.
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#77 DangerMouse

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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 10:38

I thought Jo had a good touch and held the ball up well. He was very effective away from home because he isnt strong enough (or "falls over" alot ) I thought his finishing was ok but at times faultered because he would try and be to flashy.....
I wouldnt mind him here again for another season on loan he allways looked quite effective at home....
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#78 Ian C

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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 10:48

Just thought I would give some ....shall we say older persons point of view.
Only just realised quite a few members on here seem to be getting the beautiful game mixed up with the computer/console version :mario:



Your entire argument is based on a logical fallacy, an appeal to authority if you will, that because you are older your argument is correct.


Nobody on here has quoted FM/FIFA in defence of their argument, the only person here that hasn't quoted hard evidence here is you.
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#79 marcopaulo

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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 10:48

danny mills captained england once so palmer playin means fuck all :lol:
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#80 Memmaclub

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Posted 01 Jul 2009 - 10:56

http://www.sport.co....ok_to_Owen.aspx

according to the link it seems jo is a done deal
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