thoward18

Stones is 20 in May. Not 18. Do your homework.

 

The point is he will never be a RB in a Martinez side. What got my back up about him was people saying he played well. He was absolute shite! in the derby and against Villa.

I'll take it to mean that, because you got pedantic over Stones' age instead of addressing my general points, you've conceded defeat in the debate. Most defenders don't peak until around 26. It's impossible to predict what Stones will become, or if Martinez will even be here in 3 years. I'll find you a game where Messi, Zidane, Pele, Ronaldinho, and Oliver Kahn were "absolute shit" as well. A couple games does little to persuade me in any direction.

thats very harsh in my opinion. I rated him when he played at Wigan, where he was only let down because of a poor defence when he got to play. Plus, hes 23 so has a long way to go in his own development anyway.

It wasn't supposed to be a criticism of him. My point is that he's really young, raw, and has proven little at a truly high level like the EPL. There are absolutely no guarantees he'll be starter caliber for even a mid-table team, never mind a team pushing for CL. All I'm saying is that, with our starter getting up there in age, one unproven commodity behind him, and virtually nothing in the Academy, we absolutely could use another option.

Did we need a young keeper?

Howard's not getting younger, Joel has proven absolutely nothing, and Everton couldn't find so much as a struggling League 2 team that wanted Springthorpe. So yeah, I'd say we could use another kid with upside on the cheap.

The game changed when Peanuts came on. Great assist on the Naismith goal.

Johnny's gone and no one's coming in.

Don't get it. I was all for moving his wages but it was under the assumption that we'd utilize that spot to bring in someone else. This team is currently hit by a ton of injuries. I'd rather of Heitinga for depth than nothing. I trust Martinez, but I can't kick away the thought that this was strong-armed by Kenwright.

Seems to me like the entire day was a dud, or am I wrong? Other than Zouma going to Chelsea and Berbatov leaving did anything of actual note happen?

Been super busy today so I haven't been able to keep up. Can someone give me a basic summary of what's happened today from an Everton standpoint? Even if it's just rumors that were shot down or anything like that. I know we signed that Czech goalkeeper. Anything else going on/being rumored?

I think Heitinga was more concerned with which team gives him a better chance of earning a trip to Brazil and playing time there as opposed to which stadium holds a few thousand more fans. It's not like he was choosing between Barcelona and Sheffield Wednesday. Both teams are similar enough that it doesn't really matter.

What chance has he been given to make you think he can't cut it? When I have seen him he has looked really usefull. More usefull that Jelly was last season and more useful that Lukaku is at the moment.

I think that's kind of the point. Two different managers, depth issues at the striker position, and he's still been used marginally. Kind of hard to believe both Moyes AND Martinez are unfairly holding him back.

No doubt that striker is a position that needs to be addressed, but that's the situation regardless of Vellios; he's a non-factor. Look, say what you want about Naismith but he has the right attitude and has potted a few goals. More than can be said about Vellios.

Thanks for accidentally bicycle kicking the ball into Jelavic's path that one time. Otherwise, he won't be missed.

Could be much worse. I'll gladly take it.

FA Cup match against the worst team in League One, Lukaku on the bench, Traore not included, Jelavic sent packing, and even still Vellios can't get into the XI. I'll be stunned if he's still here next season.

He's already done that at Boro in the Prem and the Championship so that argument is nul and void.

 

I do get what your saying but a player doesn't have to show his worth with a bottom half side to prove he's good enough to play for another as such most players are as good as those around them and to be fair to Him Sunderland have been dire since He arrived and you can't compare Johnson to players like Adu He's absolute garbage johnson is far more talented at what He does.

 

I've always rated him highly and would love to have him here as Haf said he hits the line and has everything you need in a winger, He can be inconsistent but under a manager like RM he'd flourish I'm sure.

What I meant is that... yeah he has his moments but so have a number of players who aren't good enough. Let's see him build his career back up with a lesser team first. Right now Sunderland fans aren't exactly enthralled with him. I'm aware that he's produced at higher levels before. But right now his career has fallen to the point he's at Sunderland and not exactly tearing it up.

Anelka has played for massive clubs, has won a lot of trophys including the Premier League (twice), FA Cup (3times) Champions League, Turkish League and the Euros with France.

 

The guy doesn't belong in a list with Adu and Chamakh who aren't even in his league.

How much of that was done within the last year or so? Anelka was a hell of a player in his prime. He's not in his prime.

The pitch is awful, and I don't know if that's to blame here, but it's hard not to think so.

I understand he's young and hasn't had much first-team experience, but Joel Robles just makes me so nervous.

Just as we drew it up

Adam Johnson is a brilliant talent on his day. Chalk on his boots and tries to hit the by line. His inconsistency is the problem, with the right manager he will realise his potential.

Same could be said about Freddy Adu, Anelka, Chamakh, etc. You're not wrong, but let's see him prove it with a bottom-table team first. I'd like to think our aspirations are higher than a project like that unless he's coming here on a free.

By some miracle I get the game over here in the U.S. Happy times!

Adam Johnson is pretty bad. I don't see what he brings to the table that we don't already have.

A bit confused why he's being called a striker. He can play the role in the way that a Mirallas could step in and play the role but he's 100% a creative midfielder. Anyway, I'd really like to have him. He fits Martinez' tactics perfectly.

I find it hilarious because you'd think we forced the moves somehow. Here's a thought. If other EPL teams like Manchester City and Chelsea don't want us loaning good players, then maybe they shouldn't be offering us good players on loan.