MikeO

The year they got to the semi knocking out ManU on the way was the year they somewhat luckily knocked us out. If you were an Evertonian you'd know that. If you want to carry on pretending to be one then do your research before you post. I'm sure there's a name psychologists use for people going on the internet pretending to be what they're not, can't think of it at the moment, inadequate little shits will do though.

Villarreal won the group that ManU finished last in and only went out in the semi to Arsenal that year. This year we're in contention for fourth place, which makes us contenders. Check your dictionary. Then fuck off back to whichever red site you crawled out from.

No prob. Intelligent input always welcome. Must have been even worse for you in a way actually having a penalty to win it and then going out. We'll both be back stronger next year though, no question in my mind.

Unavoidable conclusion Louis, and he must have agreed that ITV could do it while he obviously wasn't able to come out and say it on camera. Plot thickening all the time I reckon .

Either (on the basis of that post) you're the saddest, most cynical Evertonian ever or you're not one at all. What the fuck have Villarreal got to do with anything? Fiorentina were awful last night because we didn't let them play. Their keeper kept them in it same as Howard did in Florence, but we made far more chances than they did last week.

Very boring, again deleted about fifty infantile posts from Italians. Never come across this sort of crap before, does them no credit at all.

Dear Football Supporter Your application for the UEFA Cup Final 2008 (Booking ID ******) has been cancelled. Please do not reply to this e-mail. Thank you for your interest in European football. Best Regards UEFA

Can hold our heads up whatever now. Good luck lads.

Three minutes....who's going to take pens . Not AJ please.

Certain... "if the two teams score the same number of goals at home and away, extra time of two periods of 15 minutes shall be played at the end of the second leg. If, during extra time, both teams score the same number of goals, away goals count double (i.e. the visiting club qualifies). If no goals are scored during extra time, kicks from the penalty mark (see Article 16) determine which club qualifies for the next stage." ....hopefully it won't apply . I was there, we missed the first one as well....and we had teflon in goal.

Very useful performance by 'Boro tonight, two points dropped by Villa and that was a banker for them!

Still applies....if they score one we need two.

Pride restored anyway (and Villa are losing ). We can do this now!

Crystal Ball needs a polish Craccer ... COYB!!

5 Live & BBC Merseyside surely? No TC . Has to be injured, he's not even on the bench... David Moyes has made two changes from the side that won at Sunderland on Sunday. Lee Carsley and Leon Osman return to the side in place of Tony Hibbert and Tim Cahill. Hibbert is named amongst the substitutes, whilst Cahill is omitted from the squad. Andrew Johnson and Yakubu continue up front for the Blues, with skipper Phil Neville expected to slot in at right-back in order to accomodate the return to the midfield of Carsley. Jack Rodwell, who made his Premier League début against Sunderland, is also on the bench. He is joined by Victor Anichebe, Nuno Valente, Thomas Gravesen, Leighton Baines, Stefan Wessels and Hibbert.

Welcome....and such a nice name too . Good choice Mike, not the easy option but as the granny says in "Parenthood," "Some people like the roundabout.....I like the roller coaster."

I'm sorry but you've lost the argument (and the plot imo) when you look to Daily Mail readers for moral guidance. Good grief <_< . TC has apologised, "I...intended to signify to my brother that I was thinking of him and missing him. It was not intended to cause any offence to any other party and I wholeheartedly apologise if any offence was caused.” I was dubious about it also if you look back in the thread but it's done to death now. Says in the TT user guidelines.. "it's worth noting that when a discussion reaches a dead end or logger head. We have found it much better from experlence to simply Agree To Disagree".

Bollocks (not to anyone in particular). We're about 3-1 with the bookies to qualify, hot favourites to win on the night. Seems a tough one to get through but if we get an early goal....or even a goal in the first hour without conceding the whole position changes. I'm going for 2-0 at full time and 4-1 after extra time. Internazionale showed us how not to turn around a 2-0 deficit last night....bring it on!!

Open an account at someone like http://photobucket.com/, upload the pic to there and then copy/paste the IMG code into your post . And I know that one but I can't remember .

Not a clue mate....you don't suppose I actually read it do you ?

Well, having given it a little thought....this is a pure mechanics problem, and we must examine it in terms of forces applied on the plane. While still on the conveyor/runway, the plane is subjected to the following forces: Gravity, oriented downwards, constant. Lift, oriented upwards, function of airspeed. Thrust, oriented forwards, assumed constant. Drag, oriented backwards, superposition of air resistance and friction in the wheels. Obviously the plane will not take off until the force due to lift overcomes the force due to gravity. For this to happen, the plane must achieve some minimum forward velocity relative to the air. Forward acceleration will only occur as long as the force of thrust overcomes the drag force. Because the conveyor belt speed is the inverse of the plane's airspeed, we can say that the conveyor belt does not move until the plane begins to accelerate forward. Thus, rolling resistance has already been overcome by thrust when this problem really begins. Initially, the engine thrust is considerably higher than the drag—this is what allows aircraft to take off on regular runways. So the question is, once we start moving and the conveyor belt starts up, does it impose some force on the aircraft that can overcome the force of thrust? Certainly not initially. Consider the case where the aircraft has just begun to move through the air at, say, 1 m/s. The conveyor belt is then moving backwards at 1 m/s and therefore the speed of the aircraft relative to the conveyor is 2 m/s. If a 2 m/s rolling speed created enough friction to overcome the engines, then no aircraft could ever accelerate beyond this speed on a regular runway. In fact, we know that at the moment of takeoff the wheels are still on the ground and rolling and the aircraft is still accelerating. So up to that rolling speed at least, the engines still win the thrust vs. friction competition. Would rolling at twice that speed cause sufficient friction? Consider the thrust of an aircraft engine. I won't give you figures here because it depends widely on the type of engine. But... it's a lot of force. Now contrast this with rolling friction. I'm guessing here, but I think that before a wheel could provide enough friction (without using the brakes) to completely counteract an aircraft engine at full throttle, the wheel would be spinning so fast that it would come apart. At any rate, it certainly would not reach this tremendous amount of friction at a rolling rate twice that of a standard takeoff speed. The airplane would take off normally, with the wheels spinning twice as fast as normal and a *slight* reduction in acceleration due to added friction. I think where people get thrown off is the idea that if the conveyor is moving backwards and the plane is on the conveyor, then this must translate to some backwards momentum that has to be overcome by the thrust. But of course the conveyor doesn't start up until the plane is already moving forward. It is the conveyor that must overcome the forward momentum imparted by the engines—and the forces just aren't comparable. That's my opinion anyway . I'm sure you may be able to find someone on the internet who agrees with me.....almost word for word I shouldn't wonder .

Up in the middle of the night throwing up. Have been since Saturday but I thought I'd shaken it off yesterday, picked it up baby sitting grandson. Bollocks....feel like shite :sick01: . Just thought I'd share that with you all....even though there's no-one there . Very windy...the weather...not me . Have to ask....how do you play?

...or not .

Bless you Louis . Hi David...how's it going?

Anyway whoever plays it's a sell-out....and Davey's cranking up the crowd.. "...I thought that our supporters were treated quite shabbily (in Fiorentina) and hopefully that will give them something to shout about. "That is a motivation for us because the supporters are part of our team - we stand together. "If our supporters play the same role as the supporters of Fiorentina did then that will be great, because they influenced lots of things in the game and they played a big part so I think that the people of Goodison know what I’m talking about and they don’t need me to remind them." This is as tough as the game at Villarreal and we almost did it. There's just a chance that tomorrow could be up there with the Bayern '85 game if we could pull it off, everyone talking about it in twenty-five years time and saying, "I was there!" So to everyone on the Gwladys...suck the goals in lads!! Er....and the Park End in the other half .