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The wage has a massive bearing on his imaging rights!

That long term backup goalie has major question marks over his head. He does not build confidence in me. If he plays away at Arsenal in the cup he'll have to play out of his skin because he isn't a scratch on Howard.

Traore looked terrible

Spot on Duncan.

And that is match point! It's absolute torture missing out! At least if you're a mid table side you know what you're getting and anything else is a bonus. Being the best of the rest is so painful!

Would be great to get a win but will be very tough. Don't want to see Traore start.

2-1 Chelsea Naismith

Carsley and Gravesen (until he was loaned back) wernt Moyes signings. Last season we played some really good stuff. Villa away.

Out of all the squad players who stepped in. Oviedo has looked the best.

Chelsea have won 3 titles alone. 4 FA Cups, 2 League Cups, 1 Chàmpions League and 1 Europa League. Since being funded. Numerous finals, second place finishes. Consistent Champions League qualification. City will no doubt follow suit. The point is we don't even need half the investment.

How long can we roll along without stepping back though. How long can managers like Moyes and Martinez come in and keep us knocking on the champions league door. Where is the next level coming from. There is no money.

Ii go the game every week . I've had a season ticket for 12 years. How is that not supporting Everton? I believe in the manager, I believe in 11 or so players. Our first 11 is good enough to get in the top 4 continuously the squad isn't though. I don't believe in the board. I don't believe they can take us to the next level. There's nothing wrong with a supporter voicing reality and wanting more. We don't need millions upon millions we need the ability to add two or three quality players to the squad each season. We haven't got the money to do it. If you can't see it you are blind. Do you truly believe Martinez will continuously get us in the champions league under this board? If you do your living in a fantasy world. If you don't then you must be happy to float along with 5th and 6th place finishes. I also find it highly offensive you questioning my support of my "local" team. It seems the Americans on here like to question peoples support. It's not the first time it's happened. I'll tell you now. I was born an Evertonian. My whole family are Evertonians, we go to as many games as our lives let us. We continuously put money into the club via season tickets, Everton attire purchases and match day programmes, drinks, food etc etc. If you're based in America I doubt you do as much as me. I also have an opinion that it probably doesn't matter as much to you as it does to me. Just like me supporting the lakers but not being emotionally involved with them. But please don't question my support of the club, it's offensive

But that's the whole point isn't it. Until someone with money buys us out I just can't see us doing any better than we are. There is now 7 teams battling it out for 4 places. 6 of them are financially stronger than us.

It's not though is it.... Chelsea in 04/05 bought 8 players in and got rid 14. Won the league. City in 11/12 bought 6 players in and got rid of 8. Won the league. Massive changes and a league title in the same season.

"Same old Everton" pretty much sums it up. We will always be falling short without financial investment.

We played some great stuff under Moyes and I've witnessed some crap this season too. Let's be honest It hasn't all been wonderful but you can't expect it week in week out.

It's a decent achievement. But it's not success though is it. I want us to win trophy a. Be competing at the very very top of the league. Finishing 5th, 6th, 7th just isn't success.

Barcelona have arguably the best youth system in the world. That's their core. They have also spent numerous 7 figure fees on players. Bayern Munich spent £50m this season on two players alone. They have also spent various 7 figure fees on players over recent seasons. Their youth system has brought through the likes of Kroos and Sweinsteiger. They are both also the biggest clubs in their league and have been for a long long time. Chelsea and City on the other hand have only just started winning things and competing regularly through financial muscle. If you're going to compare the four clubs then it's money that's brought City and Chelsea in the same bracket as those two clubs. Nothing else. The fact that it's brought them both league titles suggests that money will give you a better finish than 4th place. Which is all a we're "currently" hoping for from Everton. Money will give us a much better platform to compete year in year out. The way things are going we will always be hovering below unless we get 3-4 top quality youth players through or we spent big money on top players. This is why I don't see the bigger picture of building a better squad. To do so you need big money.

Of course it works. Look at Chelsea and City. Liverpool have picked up cups along the way. Been in numerous finals. Chelsea and City both bought 5-6 players in title winning seasons.

Sorry but I completely disagree. Look where City are now. Spurs are still in with a chance of CL football. They are rolling sides over under Sherwood. Look at their recent league form to ours. Look what financial injection done to Chelsea. Money matters no matter how you paint it. Another example if money mattering is arsenal. They ain't won a dime since 2006 because they hadn't spent. It's only this season they splashed out on Ozil.

Just saying like, he's worth most of that for the money he brings into the club for just being Rooney. Also the £120,000 tax bill nearly halfs the 300k figure.

See the problem I have with the bold is this.... How can we expect to have consistent champions league finishes if we don't have a pot to piss in? It's all well and good saying he needs time to build his own squad but unfortunately I don't see him having enough money to build a squad capable of consistent top 4 finishes. I just see that as fact. The ability to finish in those top 4 positions "this" season will give us a much better platform to build on. It's been the same for a long time. We just haven't been quite good enough to break in (apart from a one of in 04/05, Without the financial muscle. I can't see us becoming a "consistant" top 4 team and it's hard to see us breaking the top 4 to be honest. This season is probably the best opportunity we have. However it's looking grimmer than ever in league standings. We've got a lot of catching up to do. I'm looking at reality rather than the "bigger picture"

He is nowhere near ready for Barcelona. Watching them play against City all their players are massively confident in retention of the ball. Deulofeu gives it away far too much. He needs another couple of years elsewhere in my opinion. Whether that be Everton or another club.

Ferguson played for Everton in one of its darkest periods ever. I'm sure if he was part of the 85 team he would be down as a legend.

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