Hafnia

Maybe if you read the previous posts you would see the relevance. So that would put pay to your "random 24 year old" comment - and pay a 12 year old £20 a week - WTF?! For your wonderfully simplistic benefit - post pasted below "If offering Arteta the money he is on has caused this then we are potentially right to run it down. It's not a simple case of giving him the same as Arteta, it's a case of justifying refusing the future wage demands of players in the same bracket (Jags, and Baines for example) Arteta whichever way you look at it is an exception to most other players within our squad. Whilst it can be argued he is not at his best currently, he is evidently the best player we have. Putting Pienaar on the same money or pretty near is going to have knock on effects with future negotitions as outlined above. My take on it is that we are in desperate need for a goalscorer, this is a priority above keeping Pienaar for me. I would love him to stay but it is a case of take it or leave it with his contract offer. I have often said just give him the same as Arteta, my thoughts have changed. It is likely that we have been trying to source a suitable replacement for less. Just as a rough figure, to tie him up for 5 years on a similar wage to Arteta would cost £18-£20m. For the same deal, we could potentially buy Ibrhahim Affellay (example) for £7m and place him on a weekly wage of approx £40k. With him being 4 years younger than Pienaar we would benefit from being able to make money in a sell on. Not the case with Pienaar. "

Pienaar is going to cost us 18 million over 5 years with no resale given his age. An alternative being a 24 year old at 7 mill with 40k a week gives us better investment opportunities. I say lets not be held to ransom, 60k a week is more than enough for him. He's got two maybe three seasons of top quality football left. I haven't seen enough to suggest he is equal with arteta

£10k above what has already been offered is £70k Again the deal breaker is the fact that he is on his last contract. A potential solution would be to sign him on what he wants, then actively sell him for a reasonable fee (£10m) put that money to work on a replacement. It wouldn't surprise me if that Is what saf has done with Rooney.

If offering Arteta the money he is on has caused this then we are potentially right to run it down. It's not a simple case of giving him the same as Arteta, it's a case of justifying refusing the future wage demands of players in the same bracket (Jags, and Baines for example) Arteta whichever way you look at it is an exception to most other players within our squad. Whilst it can be argued he is not at his best currently, he is evidently the best player we have. Putting Pienaar on the same money or pretty near is going to have knock on effects with future negotitions as outlined above. My take on it is that we are in desperate need for a goalscorer, this is a priority above keeping Pienaar for me. I would love him to stay but it is a case of take it or leave it with his contract offer. I have often said just give him the same as Arteta, my thoughts have changed. It is likely that we have been trying to source a suitable replacement for less. Just as a rough figure, to tie him up for 5 years on a similar wage to Arteta would cost £18-£20m. For the same deal, we could potentially buy Ibrhahim Affellay (example) for £7m and place him on a weekly wage of approx £40k. With him being 4 years younger than Pienaar we would benefit from being able to make money in a sell on. Not the case with Pienaar.

Seen enough to know johnny ain't a midfielder and beckford isn't good enough. If crouch was any near quality in his finishing we would have been easily beaten, Happy with point nine the less, exciting times for spurs, a team that has been well supported by their board

Would have taken a point, but won't accept such a tired performance, who was playing on Wednesday, us or them?

Did I say beckford good sub?

Sorry this is not good enough, our tempo against a tired team is woeful. Hangin on here

No nev is now def mid

Go and play for barca or bayern johnny..... Beckford, good sub for once

Heitinga is playin awful

Early to say but looks like yaks brother is playing again

Distin!!!!!

That's a strong team spurs have. Hate them! Need a performance from Billy today.

And all we need to do that is to get a new stadium, and all we need to do that is get investment. Unfotunately that's the reality. Kings dock..... Arrrrrrgggggghhhhhhg!!!!!

Good team when they get it together. Need to play them at 100mph. We can win, some key battles though. Palacios will freshen their engine room, he needs sorting. Bale evidently. Vdv. Want to see Coleman run at ekkotto, get him yellow carded asap, he's a liability for them

Arrggghhh! Why did I throw u2 in the mix!!!! I don't even like them. I've fallen into the trap! I only like "where the streets have no name" U2 = lampard, hate the fact he's related to redknapp who has clearly been taking mr angry lessons in pursuit of furthering his tv career. Leave Richard keys alone! He's been presenting long before you were shaving! And he's been shaving very long before you were born. Anyway et, I suppose your antipodean brown nose antics will not stop despite balanced opinion. Why don't you go on the michael phelps forum and argue as to why the thorpedo was better, or visit imdb and submit a 10 star review of crocodile dundee 2. Gettin tired and not long woken up!

With every post you are losing more credibility. If you were offered lampard or gerrard in exchange for tim you wouldn't accept? You are deluded. Take his pros and cons, he is one of the least rounded players we have in our team. We use his attributes, determination, timing and heading. World class? Watch messi, iniesta, Ashley cole, Ramos, that's world class. You are starting to remind me of a Welshman trying to convince everyone that the stereophonics are up there with the beatles, u2 and the rolling stones.

Let's be honest, no one outside of Moyes and the players know if he is any good. The likelyhood like all number 2's is that they do as they are told. When Irvine left, results did drop. One thing I have often seen with Round is him holding his chin ala the thinker and nodding in agreement with Moyes - if this was to happen just before Moyes brings on Tony Hibbert for a forward player when we need to score then I will drive him to Boro myself. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mfc.co.uk/javaImages/bd/9/0,,1~3344829,00.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mfc.co.uk/articles/20080715/boro-ex-factor-summer-update_70638_1343604&usg=__4apa-gN_K-7088w-KSSGRk6rT4s=&h=180&w=312&sz=26&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=h7dbc7FBuSHVpM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=203&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522steve%2Bround%2522%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D796%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=218&ei=DG7ATM_fJIS0tAbjpJS5CA&oei=DG7ATM_fJIS0tAbjpJS5CA&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0&tx=115&ty=58

Doesn't tell me anything i didn't already know. Under bill's tenure moyes has become the 4th highest paid manager in the premier league, hardly gonna bite the hand that feeds him now is he? Being the highest paid manager vs turnover plus highest paid not to win anything you are hardly in a position to criticise a chairman for his backing. I think the article we are referring to carries more weight than moyes defence.

Dunc, I think everyone on here appreciates the impact Cahill has had on the team since he has been here. It's just every time he plays well we seem to be asked questions that indicate that he is some world beater and we do not appreciate him. The fans we have that have followed the club through either or both golden eras know what he is all about, and that is great for the club in times of need. For me he has the same passion and determination as andy gray and Peter Reid, but is no near a master of either position as those two. That is what he needs to be to allow us to play in a formation that will see us be more adventurous. Is he a midfielder or a striker? For me he lacks attributes in both to be fully considered as either.

My take on it is that the team needs to be structured to accommodate tim's game, which often means 5 in midfield. When he does play well it is usually when he scores, as his game is not tackling or passing or dribbling. It is usually making a nuisance. Your likes of arteta, pienaar bring more guile to the team and are far more involved in build up play. They are fundamental to the operation of the midfield. We have no other players of their like who can create or spot a pass. Ossie can, but for me is a squad player.

I think we must have caught it from our neighbours across the park, how could they be so nasty about Harry kewell? In all seriousness, we as evertonians have been privileged to see some exceptional players in out time. None of whom have had the none stop fan fare that Cahill has had. He is a valuable member of the squad. Full stop. Just as an FYI - found his shrugging off and lack of acknowledgement to seamus Coleman a little unfair. The lad laid it up for him after a great run. Ok, heat of the moment etc but young member of squad, show a little appreciation.

Ok world class, let's throw this out there, it's a load of rubbish in it's description, vague isn't even in it. Even Simon cowell refers to some x factor acts as being world class! WTF!! So in that case some snotty nosed 19 year old with an attitude who covers James brown can be compared with the man himself? Load of crap. For the purpose of the discussion I will try and compare Cahill to the best in the world, at least that I think is the nearest we can define this so overused term. In terms of the best in the world he ain't even near. One reason for this is that in terms of technical ability he is a million miles away. There are many more technically able players in terms of passing, shooting, tackling, first touch, vision who aren't considered world class. For me he can't play in a two man central midfield nor is a striker. Is he effective? Yes, when an opponents superior technique is overcome by his tenacious nature. Would I have him ahead of a fit again rodwell? Nope. A world class player would never be sacrificed for potential world class in our squad, when others could make way. Sorry if this long winded, thinking as I type on iPhone, to summarise, yes Cahill is an effective player and has been a talisman. Don't confuse this with world class. Players I have seen in an everton shirt I rate as being better in terms of technical comparison to Cahill stretches very far, the difference is many of them you have never found yourself arguing as to whether they are world class. Limpar, kanchelskis, bracewell the list is huge. Goater was effective for man city, was he world class?

Seriously, your posts remind me of an 8 year old being asked their opinion on global warming by John craven.