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Shite subs. They were there for the taking. Piss take. Awful referee.

Great shot, great save.

Allardyce told the whole country why pressing our defence was key. Sam allardyce..... Timid performance.

Ref is a knob. Typical top 4 fawning homer.

Was gonna say earlier, unless a ball is 60/40 he doesn't want to know.

Immature? Wtf?! I said Barry had been very good at the point of the game where I posted it. Why is it you take being a complete bell end to another level mid match? Calling people out? Complete gob shite.

He's a teenage mutant whinger troll. Kowabunga.

Prick.

One concern I have is that he isn't the type of player to suffer fools. If Martinez starts messing him about by showing favouritism to the likes of Osman then Mo may have a fall out with him.

Back four could sit back and light a cigar.

I probably still wouldn't change that view but no surprises there. I guess it all depends what you see when watching a game. I watched the Bosnia game against Argentina band liked him immediately. Pace Technically very good Hard working Tough Strong Tackler The only thing I've seen is some rawness in decsion making but that will come. Top signing.

He's got that little bit of nastiness in him that made souness such a good player. He reminds me of him in many ways. Like Barkley, he just needs to know when and when not to do risky plays. That will come.

If I was a Liverpool fan the 3 players I'd want from Everton..... Barkley, Stones, McCarthy

Price tag is relevant and no it's not Lukakus fault. The price tag is as relevant as the £30m over draft that we saddled ourselves with that knackered us up for years. If Lukaku cost £15m then his development needs and risk would be bearable. We could take a hit to the tune of £5m, fine. Despite his inability to play link up football and pass etc he is a bloody good finisher. £28m or whatever it is from £22m onwards is a joke of a fee. It will become more relevant when we are on here whinging at transfer deadline day signings being no more than a few loans or young prospects. Maybe Mr Elstone will further that frustration by revealing as so when McCarthy gets sold to give RM a few bob to spend.

What's sad is you've nailed your colours to the "let's be kind, he never asked to be a £28m striker" Statszone by four four two. Can't link on my phone but it's all on there.

The thing is Matt it wasn't even on my register as a pro or a con but you kinda highlighted it as something to praise Rom for. The reality is in a game where he won just over 60% aerial duels you believed it was nearly every header.... It wasn't. To put it into context Martin skyrtel averages 80% aerial duels won over a season. Jags won over 62% of aerial duels all last season. Naismith at 5ft 10 wins the majority of his duels every single game. Are we an aerial team? No. Do we need to be? Well scoring a header from a corner would be nice. I'm not arsed if Lukaku ain't the best in the air. I'm more arsed that every time he does something fundamental that he doesn't usually do it's a case of "look what he just did! You said he can't do this" - it's getting to the point of desperation. The reality is that the lad doesn't do the bread and butter things consistently well. His goals paper over a shed load of cracks.

If after playing more than 90 minutes, Kone shows a touch as useless as Lukaku and the same laziness you have my word I will slate him despite being £22m cheaper to prove that it's irrelevant of price. But I am pretty certain I won't have to wonder why fans are waxing lyrical about a player who is a "beast" despite being something of the contrary. At the end of the day it's arouna Kone, a bit boring. Move to Lukaku thread.

62%. There was a few where he just didn't jump.

I will do that if we get there. Lukaku 1 Touch

I'd agree with that, he stands players up and he runs at the gaps a little bit like Deulofeu did last year but he doesn't have that oh la la associated with his name so is therefore targetted as lazy and not good enough in terms of end product. One thing I noticed was that last night when we did go long after them pressing high there was nothing there to challenge for the ball, that's not Roms game - I get that and will leave it there. But.... if we get Kone fit then that is his game, he is a willful runner and is good at holding the ball up - Naismith would have given us that last night aswell. There was nothing up there for the "out ball".

I genuinely disagree with the McGeady bit - every time i've seen him he looks that little bit sharper. Is he what we want right now? No but he is getting there. Was Naismith up to speed in his first year? No, pretty much for the same reasons. McGeady will be a good player for us. Pienaar can go the MLS or something, Osman is a last 15 minutes player and if thats not enough for him then MLS for him too. Barkley looked ok last night, he looks more involved in a central position - the more he plays the better he will get. From the age of 20-22 Steven Gerrard was mentored by Gary McCallister and it was a master stroke by Houllier - Gerrard was still very raw. All this talk about selling Barkley becuase he is going to be another Rodwell is daft. He is a different breed of footballer, I want him away from that toxic England set up where he is exposed to average ability players who are playing percentage football under that dinosaur. Barkley needs a top quality mentor - simple as that.

I think its goal keepers that always get the stick when a team isn't performing, easy to point at them. For their equaliser an unforced error was made by whoever it was near the right back position - could have been coleman but possibly someone else needlessly playing triangles gave the ball to their player, it shifted over to the left handside and distin was one on one with a pacey attacker. That said, he needs competition for his place does Tim, 35 now and for me doesn't look agile and quick enough to get down.

I'd make McCarthy captain simple as that. Give the lad the opportunity to lead these players.

All in all it requires a "complete mix" of attributes. I talk about Lukaku needing to be more rounded and it is the same for Martinez. Football is all about analysis these days, if there is a weakness the other team will focus on it. Its no good being a ball over the top striker and not be able to hold it up - just like its no good being a "possession focussed team" if thats all you are going to do as the opponents will press your defenders knowing full well that Roberto does not like his team to go long. Once last night we looked good getting the ball out of defence by "passing it" - right at the end of the first half with nice play from Besic, Mirallas and Lukaku I think. Ultimately its high risk and for what??? We could have lost the ball and been caught with a sucker punch like we did against Spurs. I like Martinez, I don't like this "I am Mr Total Football" position that he seems to be taking. Get it mixed up Roberto, you are blotting your copy book big time. We wanted Moyes gone because of his overly dour tactics, we aren't going to put up with someone who is being just as stubborn for the purpose of being a footballing philosopher.

Shocking performance. RM can get to fuck if he patronises the fans or praises hull.