Shukes

Playing at a decent standard does not make you knowledgeable about football and I thought it was a very naive comment to make...so I called it. It seems o am in the minority, but I am strong enough to stand by my beliefs and accept that. Whether others agree or not I thought the defence was shite in conceding those goals... Tim was not solely responsible for me. To single him out where two defenders let a forward run in-between them for a free header is criminal for me. Our whole defence was shambolic for both goals....and where does our captain play?

Would love to see Besic make an appearance as the holding mid.

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To be fair MC has been saying this for months. And this could be the next step we need to take.

The fact that you missed the defending and o ly concentrated on the keeper is what does it. You played academy football and didn't make it? So you weren't good enough eh! Never mind. Get over yourself lad.

You don't know much about football do you mate? That's OK. You have your bugbear and miss the real issues. First goal was a free header AND Howard was at fault. Second goal....defence was shite.

This is my frustration too. I don't get it. Why do we look so weak at set pieces when three years ago it was a strength.

Ye that's right, give the defenders an excuse not to defend. Goalkeeper should do it all.....jesus christ!

Jags shot for first....50m Stones for second with lead in his boots.

Why blame the keeper for two free headers? Simple, they are too big and tough for us in the air, we can't handle them.

Just read down..it worked haha.

Or was that just trying to get Haf to respond again?

He wasn't voted MoM for being great though...justice best of a very poor bunch. His performance wasn't good enough to deserve a thread of praise really was it.

Don't mind of he is as solid as hos last performances. Though only as a back up measure.

I'll tell you 100% I don't. The man has been great for us. It might be that we are in need for change, but everything he has done has been because he loved the club...be it good or bad decisions. And a man's health will always come before a game of football.

Great point Makis. Hadn't considered our outstanding commitments. I wanderbwhat effect they have on the value banded about?

MC, you own a bar right? If you have assets worth 100k and then another 50k on your books toed up in finance...would you sell your bar for 100k? However long we have the TV money incoming is irrelevant at the moment. It's here now and is a big asset of this and every other premier team. Heck, my company even has to include "other operating costs" in our financial audits. ;-)

Not about me valuing us....it's about what it's value is in the market. As above, it's been explained many times....that's what the club is worth.. No matter what you or I think.

Because it's what the club's worth. Same as any seller. You don't sell things for Less than there value.

Na no point spending money on a keeper who is below Time level. May as well promote a U21. We need to find a hidden gem somewhere.

Not saying nothings gone in, just that I don't know what. Just surprised that as a club we are so amazing at keeping it all his hush...phenomenal actually!

I wouldn't say he needs to grow up. We don't know the story,it may be Mirralas needs to grow up! It may be something completely different....he could be just shit in training. Would love to find out what's going on.

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But he may he a lot closer to Kendall. He might need time to himself. I'm sure he will come out and speak about it

It wasn't just the price though was it. He said they were looking for opportunities... They didn't come over looking to buy us. It was a no go from the start. But as he said there are others interested.