Shukes

But dont you see that is just the point?

There are many midfileders around that you can buy for your team that will add to the quality of your first team.

The trick is to find players in other positions that can add quality too. thats how you build a good team. We have a left back that actually adds quality and offensice power....that is why Baines is worth so much money.

There are simply no others for under 20 m that can replace a player of his quality, yet there are a hundred players if you look arouynd that can do a great job in midfield for you.

Midfiled is not a nharder position than left back....just a different position.

If we were weak in the left back position then i am sure we would all be screaming out to strengthen that position.

As a member of Red Cafe, the place in a serious meltdown at the minute because we've arsed about in the transfer for Thiago Alcantara to an extent where it's now allowed Bayern to come in and steal him from under our noses.

 

A poster on there said he's friends with an Evertonian who has been impressed with Martinez since he's been at the club, particularly in how quickly he's brought new players in.

 

He went onto say that whilst at Everton, Moyes was an extremely slow mover in the transfer window and you would often end up doing a lot of late/deadline day business.

 

Centre Midfield is a massive weak area for us, and with 11 days gone and no players whatsoever yet brought in, and Thiago gone to Bayern, we're all a bit concerned about how long he's waiting to do any business especially with the tough fixtures at the start of the season.

 

Is he a notoriously slow starter in the transfer window?

Welcome to our forums mate.

Moyes has constantly aggrivated us every transer window due to his slow moving nature.

Fellaini is a typical last second signing. Most people didnt even know about this one until the day after transfer window had closed.

But it's not only buying thats the problem, Arteta going to late in the window gave us no time to properly evaluate who we want to bring in to replace him. There are many many others....and many names that we missed out on.#

Please dont mention the name Mouthino on here!

Dont get me wrong i loved Moyes and think he will do a stellar job for you. But his transfer activity was frustrating to say the least.

 

Oh shit, forgot him!

 

------------------------------Howard------------------------------

Coleman ------------------ Jags ---------------------- Baines

--------------------------------- Felli -------------------------------

Mirallas - Deulofeu - Jelavic - Kone - Pienaar - Moses

 

Better?

No one will expect 316!

Im having a shit day...well shit week, feeling like if it wasnt for football at min i think i would jump of a bridge, but knowing my luck i would survive.

God i needed that lol.

Im going with the 316 suprise formation, most attacking team ever haha!

Keep him at all costs, simply cannot replave him for a player anywhere near his level.

Garbut is nowhere near ready for the prem let alone Baines level. The lad is young and only got into the England U20 team though injuries. And when he got on he looked like he had a long way to go. Wouldnt think we will be seeing him for two years at least. If i am honest with myself i am not expecting him to make the grade here.

Baines is top of his game, in his prime and irreplacable!

You want to offer us stupid money then well talk, he asks to go, then well talk. Until then he plays for Everton.

Not on OS yet? ok i have been stung too many times to get excited until reported on OS.

If RM pulls this off then appointing him was the best desicion the clu has made in a decade. That would gain him some major respect.

I know this would only be a loan and we would have to hand him back at the end of the season, but by then he might have helped get us into europe! Praying this comes off.

I have to admit that maybe i have misjudged this guy. He looks like an energetic box to box player, just the type of player i love. Watched plenty of vids on him and he looks the part. I really did and still want him to come.

But then looking at other comments and the fact theres not exactly a queue, and we have already pulled out of this one once. Then maybe there is a reason for this.

i dont think he actually weants to go.,

I think like a lot of us that Bainsey is interested to see how RM does this season. We will only sell him if the club speak with him after a proper offer and say they are happy to let him go, otherwise he will be here at the start of the season.

has anyone heard anything on this move yet?

Seems to have gone real quiet after his supposed medical. wish we could just get it done and move onto our next target.

I think one of Fellis strengths is holding the ball up. I also think that for his size he puts 90% of the prems midfielders to shame agility wise.

The amount of times we have watched him take a ball down turn away from someone and play the ball makes him ideal for a holding midfielder.

hen theres his break up play. He is excellent at stealing the ball of someones toes due to his agility.

We need another striker that can score goals. We are desperately short there with no real young player coming through, Maybe McCaleny, not sure.

Midfield we need another central figure. Ossie is getting on now and gets tired after a run of games. We have barkley coming through but i would love to see another strong energetic midfielder come in. Gibbo can do a job but is only a 6-7 of 10 player. I think Oviedo, kennedy, Mirallas and even Coleman can do a job out wide.

Defence is lacking. I really am worried about our defence. all we need is one big injury and we dont have the cover in the middle. Heits needs to either step up or be replaced. I have reservations about Duffy but really want to be proved wrong.

Goalkeeper, yes we need a bench warmer.

So for me the following;

Kone.

Alcaraz.

Fer, still would love this guy.

Goalkeeper = no idea.

1 goal in 3 years at Sevilla? Yeah, outshines even Anichebe's that.

I dont even need to look up a link of total games to goals do it...lets be honest!

You've also got the likes of Swansea and Norwich as well as Aston villa and Sunderland which are strengthening with better younger quality of players we need to do the same. If we don't have that much Kone doesn't seem worth it in terms of a business deal. If anything it shows a lack of ambition going for him we ought to be trying to get better quality of players which are younger. It's embarrassing when you see the likes of Norwich get players like Ricky van wolfswinkle whilst we are looking at Kone. And Swansea and west ham are bidding for Bony and chadli

They are getting better quality players? havent saw those bids yet. they are bidding on unproven talent yes, and paying double for it. That sounds like a beter business deal? Sorry but just because these teams are spending more money des not mean they are better signings.

And you will have to excuse me for being old fashioned and all but im a FOOTBALL fan, not an Alan Sugar fan, I dont give a shit about how much sell on potential a player has. i would rather see us buy a player that can fire us into Europe next season. Which incidently makes cash too.

Look a new manager comes into a team and do one of two things:

1 = Shake the whole team up, sell players and buy players and cock everything up.

2 = Work with what he has and add what he thinks will improve on the current set-up without rocking the boat too much.

I am going with 2.

worked out for Drenthe and Beckford....

 

 

.... Wait a minute....

thanks i needed that haha!

May as well sell him, hes almost past it according to the Kone thread. Get the cash while we can, he will be worth 3m next year

Kone is just the type of player we need, a SWASHBUCKLING goalscorer!

5 Million for Kone.

Just been watching a few good old you tube clips on him. 5 Million is well worth a player of his age and quality.

We really writing a 29/30 year old off? well thats half our team written of with him.

Goal records? he has a better record than any of our strikers.

Seriously guys i think we need a reality check. 5M for Kone should buy us 10 to 15 golas at least.

50+ for Cavanni should buy at least 50 goals then.

Has anyone got any candiadtes up front that we should be spending 5M on?

And whats with all this cash we have to spend? i must have missed smething, because last i saw were still broke. Yes we have extra money from TV deals, but all that has done is make us more secure, it doesnt mean we have 20m to spare to spend on a single player.

How much did we spend on Jela?

How many do we expect Anichebe to score next season?

Can McAleny make the grade this season?

Will Felli even be here?

Oh ye i forgot we have Naismith dont we!

Come on we are spending 5M on a 29 year old forward who has scored goals in some top leagues. Why do you all want us to become a breeding ground for the top teams? why can we only risk money on players that we could make money on ( possibly ). With our current squad we would struggle to hit the top eight next year. we are about to spend a small ammount on a striker that hit double figure for a team that got relegated.

How much bigger is an open goal compared to a goal with a keeper in the nets? the only difference is your under more pressure to score.

How much weaker are prem teams when playing for a relegation team? the only difference is its harder for you to make chances.

you gotta stop that now haha i have work to do!

When he was being linked there was a massive swell of opinion stating how his win rate was very low. How he plays attractive football but not good enough defending

thats true but they failed to realise one important thing.

We already have a defense, one thats not going to forget how to defend overnight.

Really Martinez must be excited to be able to come into a team that has a solid defense already.

I honestly think this is the right guy for us. We needed a manager that will go for the jugular, and he plays attacking football.

I would also like to risk the wrath of a few here by saying....ahem cough!...Moyes was not the finished article until he came to us. Maybe BK had a big influence in how Davey boy progressed, and maybe he can bring RM along a bit too. I am hoping that we have made an appointment along the same lines as we did with DM. A manager that we are looking to stick with and build upon.

ok youve started me now haha!

Yes you did, but many blues seem to have quickly forgotten his swashbuckling defensive performances from the previous season and are happy to kick him out the door, you even mention selling him.

there were still many of us though that recognised the fact that although he did put in swashbuckling performances, he was still not good enough to dislodge our two favoured centres.

I do admit i did enjoy seeing him go into tackles with his heart on his sleeve, but todays footballer needs more than that and i am afraid Heits just hasnt got it.

We need to get away from this World cup finalist mentality, damn it wasnt even Materatzi a world cup winner!.

The thing with heitinger is that its not just he is off form, he didnt even seem to put the effort in. jela was also off form, but anyone watching him would tell you it was not for lack of trying.

If we could get some cash for him then lets get it while we can.

And seriously guys. A centre back is a major concern for us, we have two decent ones and a reserve player as back up.

Not overly excited but at the same time i think he has more to offer than a lot of you seem to see.

He bullied us!

He isnt that old and were not gonna get much for 5m are we. If we can grab him for 5m i think he will be a good addition to our team. He can score goals.

He is strong and can hold the ball up and bring our midfield into play.

from what i can gather he isnt even back yet. Isnt he back towards the end of the week? if so lets give him five mins to get his feet into his office and then lets see him start to work.

Were all worrying about average players that we have been linked to moving to other clubs....we just need to wait and see.

Dont forget he hasnt even spoken to the players yet. other than an introdcution, with many players saying they have not met with him at all.

Theres a few competitions going on at the moment. The Brazil/Spain was the senior sides playing out the confederations cup.

The report was just how i saw it, thats all.

I watched young Everton players go to a tournament and a few of those players did themselevs justice.

A few others didnt.

Garbutts short performance showed us how important Bainsey is to us.

Barkely showed us that we have a ready made replacment for Ossie, and that losing Felli wouldnt be that huge of a disaster.

Stones could step into the team in the next twelve months and i could see why he is tipped to become a centre half, though a ball playing centre half.

As for the England team itself i would only ecpect three or four players from this set-up to ever procede to senior status. But that is normal. People put to much pressure on our youngsters and make them out to be the senior side of the future. Thats not true, they are just the most progressed u20s at the moment.

I remember watching a program about Messi and how they just let him play football and never tried to coach other skills into him, like tackling for instance. They just let him practise what he was good at and he perfected it.

We try too much to train our players to be good at everything, only thing is the end up being masters of nothing.

Surely none of you actually believe this do you? please say you dont haha!