Dalziel Kane Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Today was not the only significant date in history that was worth a mention. 15th April 1912 May have noticed I have something of an interest in this and today is the 100th Anniversary of the sinking of the RMS Titanic some 400 miles off Newfoundland, Canada, they don't get much bigger than this you know. Watching a film now about it from the 1950s, don't think much of it really Where do we start on such a mammoth event in history? Here's the simple facts- The Ship was not designed properly If it has continued ahead and hit the Iceberg head on instead of trying to get past by the side the ship would have been saved Someone left the Binoculars behind at Southampton before they initially left There was only a third of lifejackets available for the passengers on board There was no 'unsavory or vomit inducing love stroy' such as James Camerons' movie representation that night. No fucking 'Jack' or 'Rose' on board in 1912, that was a fictitious love story, just thrown in to go with the Big bangs and Hollywood effects The Titanic was travelling way too fast at time of impact which subsequently proved fatal The Titanic can never be raised intact The Building cost of the liner would be about $ 470,000,000 in todays money Many men disguised themselves as ladies to board lifeboats The Titanic was one of the very first ships to use the SOS Signal The nearest ship to answer the first distress call that night was called 'a fool' by Titanic radio operator Jack Phillips when they merely asked what was wrong The nearest ship at time of impact was the Carpathia but was 59 miles away and four hours out, not enough time to reach Titanic in time to save lives Of the esimtated 2,230 people aboard that night, little more than 700 were rescued or survived The very first man to spot the Iceberg that night, a Mr Frederick Fleet (lookout post) survived the disaster and lived well into old age before taking his own life by way of hanging himself at home in 1965 on his garden washing line RIP to all those who lost their lives a century ago today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 i heard that the reason they were going so fast was to test it in case it needed to be converted to a troop transport. My great grandad was on the Titanic and survived, saving 2 officers as well (so my grandad used to tell me!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Such things were going on at the time but there's little reason to believe the captain of a ship on it's maiden voyage would put the boat in harms way simply on the basis for trying to outrun similar vessels, Yes they were going faster than they were at time of impact but were not involved in any race so to speak. Your great Grandpa may well have been having you on I feel, unless you can show, or bring some tangible evidence it seems a little far fetched maybe, but still within the boundaries of plausibility, i.e. there's no way to determine such a thing never happened but I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 I was watching bits of that other FA cup semi-final earlier and it was a bit lifeless sometimes. So let's have a more interesting contest today.. See how many times the name 'Jack' or 'Rose' crop up in James Cameron's Titanic Who will it be?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Your great Grandpa may well have been having you on I feel, unless you can show, or bring some tangible evidence it seems a little far fetched maybe.. Unless you have some tangible evidence that he wasn't on it how could you possibly comment on whether it's far fetched or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Such things were going on at the time but there's little reason to believe the captain of a ship on it's maiden voyage would put the boat in harms way simply on the basis for trying to outrun similar vessels, Yes they were going faster than they were at time of impact but were not involved in any race so to speak. Your great Grandpa may well have been having you on I feel, unless you can show, or bring some tangible evidence it seems a little far fetched maybe, but still within the boundaries of plausibility, i.e. there's no way to determine such a thing never happened but I don't know. how about a medal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Such things were going on at the time but there's little reason to believe the captain of a ship on it's maiden voyage would put the boat in harms way simply on the basis for trying to outrun similar vessels, Yes they were going faster than they were at time of impact but were not involved in any race so to speak. Your great Grandpa may well have been having you on I feel, unless you can show, or bring some tangible evidence it seems a little far fetched maybe, but still within the boundaries of plausibility, i.e. there's no way to determine such a thing never happened but I don't know. How can you question him? Why would it matter if he had his docking papers or not? If you don't know what happened, as you keep saying, how can you dismiss Matt's Granddad's story straight off? Were you there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohen Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Wait, the Titanic was real?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Matt seemed a bit skeptical himself at the end, and I sort of picked up on it from there. It was like, well that's what he (Grandpa) said, but not sure how far we should look into it, of course we can't prove if he really was there or not, but given the scale of the event some would argue the validity of such a story, it's just an automatic assumption some would make, no offense if the great grandpa was really on board that night, if so, what a tale to pass on to future generations, I raise my hat to the man if he really was a passenger that day and lived to tell. I'ts like someone you talk to at a bus stop etc, 'I saw Kennedy shot',/ 'I saw Campbell break the land speed record', /, 'I was there when Nero fiddled while Rome burnt' etc, all we can do is make our own judgments, the bigger the event the harder it can be to believe sometimes, is all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 How would you feel if people questioned whether you were really at all those great Everton matches you claim you were in attendance at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 There's a bit of a difference between being in attendance at a soccer game that occurs week in week out and being part of the once in a lifetime, greatest and most historical nautical disaster known to mankind. Not sure what great matches you really refer to either? I think all said, if matts relative really was on board that night, then fair enough, I accept it, I was merely a bit initially skeptical, as would some others doubtless. There's no way to say he wasn't, it's all fine and dandy etc, It was a bit of a shock when I first read it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Not sure what great matches you really refer to either? The Youtube thread when you've posted videos of big games you've said you were at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 That's true, there is no way to determine that, but you could say that about every participant that's ever been on TT since it's inauguration to be fair. Only mentioned the one game anyway. This is supposed to be a Titanic 100 years tribute thread by the way, and some interesting clips to see maybe.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUpIiuxzpdk The modern sinking animation does look quite factual, if not impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 That's true, there is no way to determine that, but you could say that about every participant that's ever been on TT since it's inauguration to be fair. True...but you get a pretty good feeling over the years who's real and who talks crap . I'm a trusting person....and I tend to believe people until they're proven to be lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 where do i fall mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 where do i fall mike? In shite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 where do i fall mike? On your arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 where do i fall mike? Don't think you've ever lied to me (apart from that one occasion that we agreed never to speak of again...thank god for Febreze eh ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Don't think you've ever lied to me (apart from that one occasion that we agreed never to speak of again...thank god for Febreze eh ?) You mean KY right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 oh i see we have some comedienne's in the house this morning...well you two can just fuck...off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 oh i see we have some comedienne's in the house this morning...well you two can just fuck...off errrrr.....no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 well...buttons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) "He's behind you!" - The Character generically known as 'Buttons', extract from: Peter Pan, East Grinstead January 15th 2011 Edited April 17, 2012 by tenaciousj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 you would know about men appearing behind others you fiend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 you would know about men appearing behind others you fiend! Yeah, Mike told me about you two...remember, its just like the story of when you went "fishing on the lake" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 hush :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Back on course! Work with a chap whos grandfather had tickets for the Titanic, was hoping for a new life in Canada.Close family member died of polio, so the trip was put off for a time.Travelled across the Atlantic later on the 'Carpathia' !! He would have been in 3rd class on the Titanic, so his chances would have been slim.Didn't work out for him in Canada and he returned a while later. Have been reading some of the repro newspapers on the Titanic disaster.A report in the Daily Mirror dated Tuesday April 16 1912 states that a Mr C.H Stengel a first class passanger SAW! large chuncks of ice thrown onto the decks killing a number of people! Also a number of survivors stated that Captain Smith and the cheif engineer killed themselves with a revolver!...two little stories of the terrible night that I'd never heard before. Dalziel Kane, can you shed any light on either of these two accounts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Don't know what all that damn nonsense was before the last post, safe to say it had nothing to do with the tragedy itself. Let's be clear, I wasn't on board that night, witness accounts over the years have been muddled and varied, even to this day we may not know the full extent of what went on, all survivors are deceased, and everybody must have been caught up in their own business that night. Captain Smith is a bit of a mystery, as far as we know no firearm was used, they knew they were going to die, he had the chance to save himself but was insistant on going down with his ship, he was asleep at time of impact and rushed to the bridge, little else is known of his whereabouts in the last hour and a half of the ship's life, he was uncharacteristically indecisive that night and panic seemed to have taken over from his normal phlegmatic demeanor. He was last seen at the ships wheel or in the vicinity after given the abandon ship order but this was some time before the vessel sank, no one knows for sure what happened thereafter and his body was never recovered. Cheif engineer seemed to be a Joseph Bell by all accounts, he played a pivotal part in staying behind and attending to duties. His actions on board the ship, along with others in his engineering team who stayed at their posts and maintained power to the vessel until its very last moments, have been credited with ensuring the already horrific death toll was not higher. Also no pistol suicide could be determined, in that he simply chose it seems to go down with the ship. A memorial service was held in his honor at Carlisle at the weekend as part of the anniversary 'celebrations' Hope this helped you out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 the nonsense as you put it was people havin a laugh...should try it sometime.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'm not one for laughing Mr Paulo, no clown 'fits and spinning ties this end. But, incidentally, there was some genuine humor to be had , or was it concern, that some dumb fucking kids out there thought the actual event in question never occured, nobody died, it was a fictitious event, they only made a movie about it with some big hollywood star and some obscure british actress, a bit of a deluded love story inolved, get the sodas and popcorn, boat sinks, have a cry and then leave the theaters, i.e. no harm done as the fucking thing never occured etc, I really worry about the state of todays education, and if some dumb kids out there really are our future, then Armageddon can't come soon enough, yeah it probably did raise a smile in a sense, probably at the desperation of the situation. Have a look at this link, if you can get past the damn commercials flashing away and some trivial leather faced 'celebrities' I couldn't give a fuck about ,just how dumb some of todays younger generation are, last one to leave turn out the lights and all.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129971/Titanic-100th-anniversary-Twitter-users-just-Titanic-really-happened.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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