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This is really dificult becuse we are so similar in ambition. It is definatly between us who breaks into the big four if anyone can. I'd like to believe it is us bt I'm just not sure given that they hae a much bigger squad and spending money (the two go hand in hand really). I ll say us on the basis that we did them 2-0 at ther place!!! :D

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Yep, Spurs at the moment. They finished 5th for 2 seasons - the previosu season they probably would have been 4th had it not been for the last day bug affecting the squad and then this season they finished ahead of us having been in the UEFA Cup until the latter stages of the tournament.


However, I reckon we're 6th best in the country and moving forwards. Consider where we were say 5 or 10 years ago and call that progress. Unless a club gets taken over by a tycoon (would we really want that?) then progress in these Premiership days can only be evolution not revolution.


If we add 3 or 4 quality players and a couple more squad players this summer there is every reason to think that we'll have another good season.

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First eleven, player for player who would you straight swap? Not many for me:


Robinson - Howard - No

Chimbonda - Neville - No

Dawson - Yobo - No

King - Lescott - No

Ekotto - Valente - Possibly

Malbranque - Osman - Yes

Zokora - Cahill - No

Jenas - Fernandes No(if he stays - otherwise yes)

Lennon - Arteta - No

Keane - Johnson - no

Berbatov - BT- Yes


So I have 3 possibly four better positions depending if we keep Fernandes. After seeing that, with in the intention of discounting my bias I had a look at the Official Premier League Top 100 players (Actim Stats). We have five in the top 30 to their one and seven in the top 100 to their six (see below).


Obviously they have invested heavily in buying average squad players and through the course of a season containing a European campaign they would fair better as is. But I think Moyes will be bringing in several utility players over the summer plus a quality striker. With a bit of luck we can push on and challenge for fourth place. That will have to be the aim next season however unachievable it is with the amount of money that lot spend.


1 didier drogba Chelsea 628

2 cristiano ronaldo Manchester United 617

3 dimitar berbatov Tottenham Hotspur 611

4 wayne rooney Manchester United 580

5 frank lampard Chelsea 572

6 mikel arteta Everton 567

7 cesc fabregas Arsenal 565

8 gareth barry Aston Villa 561

9 benni mccarthy Blackburn Rovers 535

10 gabriel agbonlahor Aston Villa 517

11 ryan giggs Manchester United 505

12 andy johnson Everton 498

13 david james Portsmouth 489

14 dirk kuyt Liverpool 487

15 el-hadji diouf Bolton Wanderers 483

16 marcus hahnemann Reading 482

17 steven gerrard Liverpool 481

18 paul scholes Manchester United 477

19 steve finnan Liverpool 469

20 matthew taylor Portsmouth 468

21 tim howard Everton 467

22 gilberto Arsenal 467

23 ricardo carvalho Chelsea 463

24 edwin van der sar Manchester United 462

25 jose reina Liverpool 462

26 rio ferdinand Manchester United 461

27 phil neville Everton 454

28 kolo toure Arsenal 454

29 david bentley Blackburn Rovers 453

30 joleon lescott Everton 452

31 michael carrick Manchester United 445

32 nicolas anelka Bolton Wanderers 444

33 brad friedel Blackburn Rovers 443

34 nicky shorey Reading 441

35 pascal chimbonda Tottenham Hotspur 440

36 jens lehmann Arsenal 439

37 emanuel pogatetz Middlesbrough 435

38 paul robinson Tottenham Hotspur 426

39 michael dawson Tottenham Hotspur 425

40 jussi jaaskelainen Bolton Wanderers 423

41 ashley young Aston Villa 420

42 nemanja vidic Manchester United 418

43 kevin doyle Reading 418

44 jamie carragher Liverpool 417

45 stewart downing Middlesbrough 416

46 richard dunne Manchester City 414

47 liam rosenior Fulham 412

48 gary speed Bolton Wanderers 412

49 gary o'neil Portsmouth 411

50 olof mellberg Aston Villa 411

51 kanu Portsmouth 410

52 emmanuel adebayor Arsenal 408

53 mark schwarzer Middlesbrough 407

54 gary neville Manchester United 406

55 andriy shevchenko Chelsea 403

56 ivan campo Bolton Wanderers 403

57 sylvain distin Manchester City 401

58 peter crouch Liverpool 398

59 mark viduka Middlesbrough 398

60 morten gamst pedersen Blackburn Rovers 398

61 joey barton Manchester City 396

62 patrice evra Manchester United 393

63 xabi alonso Liverpool 392

64 joseph yobo Everton 391

65 alexander hleb Arsenal 389

66 jermaine pennant Liverpool 386

67 michael essien Chelsea 381

68 aaron lennon Tottenham Hotspur 376

69 ivar ingimarsson Reading 376

70 linvoy primus Portsmouth 372

71 kevin davies Bolton Wanderers 371

72 john terry Chelsea 370

73 abdoulaye meite Bolton Wanderers 369

74 darren bent Charlton Athletic 368

75 james milner Newcastle United 366

76 brett emerton Blackburn Rovers 365

77 steven taylor Newcastle United 363

78 andrew taylor Middlesbrough 361

79 brian mcbride Fulham 357

80 scott carson Charlton Athletic 356

81 lucas neill West Ham United 355

82 lee carsley Everton 349

83 thierry henry Arsenal 349

84 stephen hunt Reading 349

85 louis saha Manchester United 348

86 bobby zamora West Ham United 346

87 john o'shea Manchester United 345

88 talal el karkouri Charlton Athletic 345

89 sol campbell Portsmouth 344

90 george boateng Middlesbrough 343

91 thomas sorensen Aston Villa 341

92 ayegbeni yakubu Middlesbrough 340

93 robin van persie Arsenal 340

94 salomon kalou Chelsea 337

95 michael ballack Chelsea 337

96 daniel agger Liverpool 337

97 claude makelele Chelsea 336

98 nicky hunt Bolton Wanderers 335

99 jermaine jenas Tottenham Hotspur 334

100 obafemi martins Newcastle United 332

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I didn't judge the whole thing on the starting 11. You have to look on the squad on a whole, and atm they have the better squad imo.


They have more appeal to bigger players. Not only cos of the amount of cash they have compared to us but also the location could sway a players decision if it was between us and them. At the moment they have the edge, but things can change.

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Looking at that Actim list it's an amazing stat that we have five players in the top thirty, beaten only by ManU (6) but ahead of Liverpool (4), Chelsea (3) and Arsenal (3).


Would seem to confirm from a neutral point of view what we all know...that we have the basis of a hell of a team! Get the numbers up and add a little more quality in the summer, which from all reports will be happening, and we're seriously on the way. This really is an exciting time to be a blue.


Who the fuck are Tottenham :lol: ?

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if im honest, Tottenham have a much better team than us at the moment, they are strong in every position and have a good squad to back it up. We are on the right lines, buying young only to improve etc but we do have a couple of major weak points IE right back, left back (presuming LeScott moves back to centre) and left wing.

Spurs had one weak position (left back) but have just gotten Rocha in to fill it. They ahve been spending consistenly and well for 3/4 years now, we need to do that too

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Looking at that Actim list it's an amazing stat that we have five players in the top thirty, beaten only by ManU (6) but ahead of Liverpool (4), Chelsea (3) and Arsenal (3).


Someone on the official site nicking my post...


"Everton had five players in the top 30 - Arteta, Johnson, Phil Neville, Tim Howard and Joleon Lescott - which compared favourably to Chelsea (3) Liverpool (4), Arsenal (3) and Tottenham Hotspur (1)."


:lol::lol: ...nice to see we have influence in high places!

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