Jason Koumas

[RuffRob]

Surprised we haven't got a dedicated topic for Jason Kumas, as he is widely touted as our next main target.

 

Consider some of the players with their own topic in the transfer rumours, Kumas should have one really.

 

Originally, hearing of interest in Kumas it thought no way, but my thought have now changed. He has been on of the best midfeilder in the Championship over the past couple of seasons, at both Cardiff and West Brom. Had his problems in the Premiership, but that was more down to Bryan Robson than football.

 

Fee will be the main decider (£3.5 - £5m). Trouble is there is not much else around for that type of price.

 

Kumas's is a very decent passer of the ball and is creative (not excellent like Arteta), and doesn't mind getting in a tackle.

 

Now he is not better than what we already have in that department (Arteta), we would really have to break the bank to manage that. But, with Arteta injured, suspended or rested what else have we got in the creative department.

 

Nobody will argue that Arteta is our best player and the player the team miss the most when he is out of a game. I think it would be a very good move on Moyes part to bring in at least reasonable cover for Arteta.

 

Now we don't want to spend huge amounts on an what is effectively an understudy for Arteta, so a £4M Kumas could well be a decent addition to the squad.

 

We have fair cover for the defensive area on the pitch, and even the attacking option to a degree, buy midfeild creativity is all on the shoulders of one man at this present time. A month to two injury to Arteta, could mean a huge difference in how our season turns out.

 

Osman isn't the answer (not to sure he would be the best midfeilder in the Championship), and Fernandez at £8M+ isn't going to happen either.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Koumas

 

Jason Koumas (born September 25, 1979 in Wrexham) is a professional player for Football League Championship outfit West Bromwich Albion. Formerly of Tranmere Rovers and Cardiff City, he is a current Welsh international.

 

Koumas operates as a midfield playmaker, creating goals for others as well as scoring many himself. He was selected in both the 2005-06 and 2006-07 Football League Championship team of the season.

 

Koumas was named the Championship player of the year at the Football League Awards in March 2007,[11] and was also honoured in April with a place in the Championship team of the year

 

He has earned a reputation as a dead-ball specialist and a scorer of spectacular goals.

 

 

 

His goal game ratio is 1:5 (actually better than Alan Smith), Cahill's is 1:4

 

Based on the above, then Koumas should really be spoke of in the same breath as Jags, Cahill. Bullard and Steve Sidwell as a top Championship midfeild players.

 

He is a player who would be a very decent understudy to Arteta, who may also show enough to get his own spot in the starting ll.

[RuffRob]

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Toffees join race for Koumas

 

Everton have now joined the race to sign Jason Koumas - and give the Baggies midfielder the dream move he has always wanted.

 

Koumas, an Everton fan as a youngster, is waiting to see if Albion and Everton can agree a fee for his services.

 

The Baggies have already rejected a £4m offer from Wigan whose boss Chris Hutchings is ready to come back and match any other offer for the 26-year-old Welsh international.

 

But while Wigan owner Dave Whelan is ready to offer Koumas the more lucrative contract, Everton pull at the heart strings of the talented playmaker, voted the best player outside the Premiership last season.

 

Sources at The Hawthorns and Goodison today confirmed that talks between the clubs had begun adding yet more to chairman Jeremy Peace’s transfer workload in what has become the busiest summer of his reign.

 

Amid some reports that Fulham’s Heidar Helguson was cool on the idea of coming to The Hawthorns, Albion today insisted that talks were “on-going” with the Icelandic international.

 

Although Albion manager Tony Mowbray spoke yesterday of his optimism that more signings were on the way, reports in Scotland that he would once more raid his old club Hibs for skipper Rob Jones and David Murphy were dismissed by Albion today.

 

The outcome of Sunderland’s £5m double bid for Paul McShane and Paul Robinson is in doubt.

 

After the week began with doubts about Robinson joining, there are now claims that Sunderland boss Roy Keane has switched his focus to Southampton’s Chris Baird fearing a deal for McShane is also in peril.

 

l Albion’s home clash with QPR is the latest game to be switched for live Sky TV.

[The Boy]

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Toffees join race for Koumas

 

Everton have now joined the race to sign Jason Koumas - and give the Baggies midfielder the dream move he has always wanted.

 

Koumas, an Everton fan as a youngster, is waiting to see if Albion and Everton can agree a fee for his services.

 

The Baggies have already rejected a £4m offer from Wigan whose boss Chris Hutchings is ready to come back and match any other offer for the 26-year-old Welsh international.

 

But while Wigan owner Dave Whelan is ready to offer Koumas the more lucrative contract, Everton pull at the heart strings of the talented playmaker, voted the best player outside the Premiership last season.

 

Sources at The Hawthorns and Goodison today confirmed that talks between the clubs had begun adding yet more to chairman Jeremy Peace’s transfer workload in what has become the busiest summer of his reign.

 

Amid some reports that Fulham’s Heidar Helguson was cool on the idea of coming to The Hawthorns, Albion today insisted that talks were “on-going” with the Icelandic international.

 

Although Albion manager Tony Mowbray spoke yesterday of his optimism that more signings were on the way, reports in Scotland that he would once more raid his old club Hibs for skipper Rob Jones and David Murphy were dismissed by Albion today.

 

The outcome of Sunderland’s £5m double bid for Paul McShane and Paul Robinson is in doubt.

 

After the week began with doubts about Robinson joining, there are now claims that Sunderland boss Roy Keane has switched his focus to Southampton’s Chris Baird fearing a deal for McShane is also in peril.

 

l Albion’s home clash with QPR is the latest game to be switched for live Sky TV.

 

Rob, I have to agree with what you have written here.

 

I agree that Koumas isnt a good as Spud, but then again, on last seasons performance there were only about 2 or 3 players in the EPL that were, and they cost £15m+.

 

I think Koumas would be a good addition. As you say, takes the creative burden away from one player, is a reasonable price for someone who has been the stand out midfielder in the championship for the past two years, and more importantly, is an Evertonian through and through and wants to come here.

 

Alot of people have been going on about Nugent and £6m-£7m being the fee, but "he is an Evertonian..." Well so is this guy, he would cost alot less and fill a void in the side that needs filling, namely creativity. Do we need another striker? Well there has been alot of debate about that, but we do need creation, we have been crying out for it for years.

 

Manny would be brill, excellent player and only 21, so plenty of years ahead. Well I think that isn't gonna happen cos of the £8m+ fee, but i think Koumas wants to be here, is a decent price and is a good player and perfect cover for Spud.

[jamiemaher85]

I would like to see Koumas here (im not going to say love) Think he is the kind of player that we should be going for, and would give us good attacking options down the left. Though the price could be a stumbeling block. I think 4m is more than a fair price for him but that has already been turned down (for wigan)

Also Koumas's attitude can be pretty shitty at times, fair enough he's had a good season but that doesn't really mean he will cut it here. (I think a good comparison with a player with a shit attitude having one good season then moving on and flopping is Craig Bellend. One good season with blackburn the next he's not scoring for liverscum and threatening fellow players with golf clubs)

[Bill]

To think we could have got Joey Barton for less than Koumas.

 

I can only think that going for Koumas is one big joke, 2 or 3 million and its a maybe yes for a squad player, anything near the 5 or 6 million thats being quoted and its most definitely a big NO.

 

Another one of those players on our doorstep (Tranmere ) who we could have picked up for peanuts, now we're trying to lash out 6 million pounds for him. When will we ever learn.

[Adam]

Problem is Licker I doubt we will ever learn.

 

I agree aswell about Koumas being the same price as Barton.

 

And the interesting think about Koumas is don't forget that when he was at Cardiff on loan and they couldn't afford to buy him he went on strike and I beleive only went back when got a new contract.

 

I know he not had has many problems as Barton (in fact don't think any apart from that) however Barton never refused to turn up for training.

 

Agree 3-4m as a squad player as never been a fan of him but played well last 2 years in the championship but more than that no but then would rather take him than no-one

[RuffRob]

Come on Licker you need to get real on your transfer prices this summer - Barton at £5.8M, Jags at £4M have been the value deals of the summer in my opinion, but that beacuse both had get out clauses in their contracts, so have been sold on the cheap. agree, shame about Barton, but big wages blah, blah blah - he's not at Everton do lets forget about him.

 

More realistic figures are

 

Owen Hargreaves - £18M

Reo-Coker to Villa - £8.5M

Kapa to Birmingham - £3M

Faubert to West Ham - £6M

Mutari to Pomoy £7M

Gareth Bale - up to £10M

Greg Halford to Sunderland - £3M

Naysmith to Sheff Utd - £1M

Steven Davies to Fulham -£4M

 

None of these players are proved quality Premiership players (abit Naysmith, Davis and Coker are both prospects who had stinker of season last year)

 

So I would say paying £2M for the 'best' championship midfeilders is a little optomistic I would say, even for Everton!!

 

Aslo, where has your £6m figure come from - between £4M and £5M I would say.

 

Who would you suggest as an genuine understudy for Arteta or second creative midfeilder for around £5M and reasonable wages?

 

If you are poo pooing Koumas as potential back up to Arteta - one or two other realistic suggestions wouldn't go amiss.

 

If you can come up with anything better than an Everton supporting highly regarded creative midfeilder 'Championship Player of the Season' player for around £5M and reasonable wages - I await with anticipated breath - That why one my original post I stated that I have changed my knee jerk opinion on bringing Koumas to the club.

 

I am afraid £2m these days is only liklye to buy a 17 year old right back with potential and with 16 proffesional games under his belt, a journeyman stocking filler Premiership player, a has been or some hit or miss foreigner you have never heard off.

[jamiemaher85]

^^^

i agree with you that 2m is an unrealsitic price for Koumas in todays game, but i wouldn;t ant to pay much more than 4m for him, which we know that we cant get him for, maybe go up to 5m but no more than that at all.

and being the best midfielder in the championship doesn't really count for much. Every year you see the "best" players move out of the champonship and they just cant cut it in the prem. e.g- spurs buyng rasiak when he had a reputation as one of the best players outside of the prmeiership. he didnt cut it,

[Everton_Worshiper]

Some how I don't think Koumas is going to batter any of our child fans or show his arse at us.....so the Barton debate is out of the window.

 

I would take him here, we need the players and from all accounts (reviews etc) he seems a decent player...so long as he doesn't turn out to be Meyde's drinking partner!

 

Buy him I say.

[Romey 1878]

Im not bothered by this at all. WBA want £6million and Moyes will never pay that in a million years.

[Bill]

The Baggies have already[ rejected a £4m offer from Wigan whose boss Chris Hutchings is ready to come back and match any other offer for the 26-year-old Welsh international.......

 

This came from your initial post Rob, which suggests to me that its going to be nearer 6million

 

If wigan want him that bad let them have him i say. He's not my cup of tea at that price.

 

 

PS .. isnt this the same player we where linked with for a couple of million two years ago, and everybody said then he was a useless fooker and nobody wanted him. One good season and all of a sudden he's a world beater and costing 6 million.

Backward step if we get this fella IMO.

[RuffRob]

We could manage with out Tim Cahill, we can also manage without Johnston, but we can't manage without Arteta becasue we don't have anybody else at the club who can get anywhere near him with creative passing and dead ball delivery -

 

Arteta is one of the top delivers of the ball in the Prem, we lose him we lose our best weapon going forward, and we have got BUGGER ALL back up for him.

 

To me Arteta is our biggest strengh - and therefore our biggest weakness - Anything, happen to him and we have nothing to take his place in what he provides the team. The biggest gulf in performances last season was Arteta playing or Arteta not playing.

 

Personnal if we have to pay a £1M or so over the odds, i want some sort of cover in this department - Koumas is renownd for excellent dead ball delivery - that quality transends any division, although there is also a lot more to his game than just that.

 

We have versitility in all department other than Arteta - Lets get this sorted, other names in the hat welcome!!

[jamiemaher85]

Some how I don't think Koumas is going to batter any of our child fans or show his arse at us.....so the Barton debate is out of the window.

 

I would take him here, we need the players and from all accounts (reviews etc) he seems a decent player...so long as he doesn't turn out to be Meyde's drinking partner!

 

Buy him I say.

how much would you be willing to pay for him

i agree with romey that moyes will never pay 6m for him

 

We could manage with out Tim Cahill, we can also manage without Johnston, but we can't manage without Arteta becasue we don't have anybody else at the club who can get anywhere near him with creative passing and dead ball delivery -

 

Arteta is one of the top delivers of the ball in the Prem, we lose him we lose our best weapon going forward, and we have got BUGGER ALL back up for him.

 

To me Arteta is our biggest strengh - and therefore our biggest weakness - Anything, happen to him and we have nothing to take his place in what he provides the team. The biggest gulf in performances last season was Arteta playing or Arteta not playing.

 

Personnal if we have to pay a £1M or so over the odds, i want some sort of cover in this department - Koumas is renownd for excellent dead ball delivery - that quality transends any division, although there is also a lot more to his game than just that.

 

We have versitility in all department other than Arteta - Lets get this sorted, other names in the hat welcome!!

so your sayaing that we should buy koumas becasue arteta is our best player?

[Romey 1878]

so your sayaing that we should buy koumas becasue arteta is our best player?

 

 

I think he means more to take the pressure off Arteta to deliver all the time, and if he's injured we have a replacement.

[jamiemaher85]

i was just joking about

[J*A*C*K*E*L*Z]

nah not my cup of tea at this price as lets not forget he floped big time when he last played in the prem i belive some people forget this.

 

id prefere 2 out and out wingers who are gonna get some chalk n there boots

 

richardson for the left & routlage for the right would be the way forwards in servise.[young, fast & english]

 

then get yah arteta's ect were they do there best work :in the middle

[BLUENOSEsam]

nah not my cup of tea at this price as lets not forget he floped big time when he last played in the prem i belive some people forget this.

 

id prefere 2 out and out wingers who are gonna get some chalk n there boots

 

richardson for the left & routlage for the right would be the way forwards in servise.[young, fast & english]

 

then get yah arteta's ect were they do there best work :in the middle

id totally agree about richarson and routlage, great players imo, but id also like to see koumas come to the blues

[CraccerC]

no chance...but, as with mark, i'm not bothered...moyes isn't stupid

[RuffRob]

Licker - I know Baggies have turned down £4M from Wigan, but I don't see how you just jump from £4M to £6M - maybe an offer of £4.5M or maybe £5M maybe worth trying first!!!! So makes me think, that buy saying he is going to cost £6M you are just trying to sensationalise your arguement.

 

your £6M is bollocks

 

Which is also what you are doing with like all 'one good season and all of a sudden he's a world beater' comments. You are just making stuff up.

 

I Don't recall anybody calling him a world beater - World beaters cost £20M - £30M, If you can find World beaters for £4-6M lets see them.

 

A creative midfeilder to provide the club for Arteta is hardly describing him as a world beater. All I have said he has been regarded as one if not the best creative midfeilders in the championship over the last two of years (rather than the one year you mentioned in your post - so more bollocks), so to me puts him at him near the top of a limited list of players that Everton can afford, attract and pay wages to.

 

Just because we didn't buy Koumas two years ago doesn't mean he wouldn't make a good addition to the squad, maybe we shouldn't have bought Jags because he used to be on our books and would have been free!!

 

I am waiting for a proper argument from you like -

 

I think XXXX would be a better option as cover to Arteta becasue........or

 

I don't think we need cover in that department becasue.....

 

All I am hearing from you at the moment is your personnal exaggeration of points or just plain rubbish. Please I just want a single name as an credible alternative to Koumas! Just one name.

[RuffRob]

me

 

and I rest my case - no other real candidate out there and that why from my original post I am warming to the idea of Koumas as a potential Moyes target.

[Bill]

Licker - I know Baggies have turned down £4M from Wigan, but I don't see how you just jump from £4M to £6M - maybe an offer of £4.5M or maybe £5M maybe worth trying first!!!! So makes me think, that buy saying he is going to cost £6M you are just trying to sensationalise your arguement.

 

your £6M is bollocks

 

Which is also what you are doing with like all 'one good season and all of a sudden he's a world beater' comments. You are just making stuff up.

 

I Don't recall anybody calling him a world beater - World beaters cost £20M - £30M, If you can find World beaters for £4-6M lets see them.

 

A creative midfeilder to provide the club for Arteta is hardly describing him as a world beater. All I have said he has been regarded as one if not the best creative midfeilders in the championship over the last two of years (rather than the one year you mentioned in your post - so more bollocks), so to me puts him at him near the top of a limited list of players that Everton can afford, attract and pay wages to.

 

Just because we didn't buy Koumas two years ago doesn't mean he wouldn't make a good addition to the squad, maybe we shouldn't have bought Jags because he used to be on our books and would have been free!!

 

I am waiting for a proper argument from you like -

 

I think XXXX would be a better option as cover to Arteta becasue........or

 

I don't think we need cover in that department becasue.....

 

All I am hearing from you at the moment is your personnal exaggeration of points or just plain rubbish. Please I just want a single name as an credible alternative to Koumas! Just one name.

.....

 

Rob besides turning down a 4mill bid it also says in your initial post that Wigan will match any other bid to get the player.

i said that SUGGESTS to me that it could be nearer 6mill

 

If i thought he was good enough to replace Arteta i wouldnt hesitate to get him, But you see him playing only if Arteta is out injured for a month or more basicly a squad player, and i think the fee is too high for someone who could be sitting on the bench all season.

 

"I am waiting for a proper argument from you like"-

 

I'm not trying to argue with you, ive put forward my opinion of the rumour, and my opinion of the player, the fact that it differs from yours is not an argument, its different views from different people, so how did you come up with the decision that my opinion was a load of bollox, and yours was'nt.

 

Because people dont have the same thoughts as you on any given topic, does'nt mean they are talking Bollox, i should take some tablets for that inferiority complex mate.

 

Sorry if i offended you.

[RuffRob]

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Rob besides turning down a 4mill bid it also says in your initial post that Wigan will match any other bid to get the player.

i said that SUGGESTS to me that it could be nearer 6mill

 

If i thought he was good enough to replace Arteta i wouldnt hesitate to get him, But you see him playing only if Arteta is out injured for a month or more basicly a squad player, and i think the fee is too high for someone who could be sitting on the bench all season.

 

"I am waiting for a proper argument from you like"-

 

I'm not trying to argue with you, ive put forward my opinion of the rumour, and my opinion of the player, the fact that it differs from yours is not an argument, its different views from different people, so how did you come up with the decision that my opinion was a load of bollox, and yours was'nt.

 

Because people dont have the same thoughts as you on any given topic, does'nt mean they are talking Bollox, i should take some tablets for that inferiority complex mate.

 

Sorry if i offended you.

 

argument, debate, discussion whatever you want to call it-

 

Wigan will match any figure - I am not scared of Everton going head to head for a player with Wigan - Nobody really wants to join them given a choice of another Prem club. Can't see Koumas or anyone else wanting to go to Wigan other than mercs or players who haven't had offer of a better club.

 

Not your opinion I was getting my knickers in a twist about, I love a good debate, just when negatives or even positives get exaggerated with no truth behind them.

 

Emm, By the way am on day four of given up the fags - So everybody can just F*CK OFF. Maybe I am a bit more irratable and sensative than usual, !!

 

Anyway, been a change from a usual no post friday's!!!

[Bill]

I can live with that Rob a good discussion never hurt anybody, but i'm not giving up the fags yet.

[Londonblue]

Koumas is a talented player. I've seen a lot of him playing for Wales. He takes a great free kick and can open up a defence with a cross or a pass. We've been lacking that in midfield. As Rob says who else is around for the same price??

[rozzie22]

I agree, i think Jason Koumas is a very good talent and would fit in nicely into the squad.

Would you rather have Koumas in the starting 11 or Osman ? no debate, it would be koumas everytime

 

and dont forget, depending how well we do in the uefa cup, the team will probably change alot so we cant expect Arteta to take the burden of roughly 45 games next year. We have backup in every position apart from a creative midfielder, Koumas could be a good cheap answer.

[Romey 1878]

He's not going to come here as a back up when he can play every week for another club and earn more a week.

[Bill]

Dont think Osman will make the Best 11 this season anyway, Can see jags playing right side and arteta left side, but that could all change depending on more signings.

[Romey 1878]

Dont think Osman will make the Best 11 this season anyway, Can see jags playing right side and arteta left side, but that could all change depending on more signings.

 

 

I thought Jags could only play in the centre of midfield? Has he ever played on the wing before?

[Bill]

Not sure but hes a right back so no harm in moving him forward. i'm a bit of an Osman fan but if we want to move on we have to get better than him, good squad man.

[Everton_Worshiper]

Not sure but hes a right back so no harm in moving him forward. i'm a bit of an Osman fan but if we want to move on we have to get better than him, good squad man.

 

me too, underrated player...should be played in midfield ahead of jags if it was a choice between the 2. Jags looks likely to be in defence.

However, if Koumas was here he should start ahead of Osman.