MikeO Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 The lowdown: England's qualification is out of their hands. Their best hope of qualification is to finish ahead of Russia. But if the Russians win in Israel on Saturday, they will be one point ahead of England with one match to play - and that match is away to rock-bottom Andorra. England will not expect any favours from Andorra, who are on a run of 28 consecutive Euro qualifying defeats. If Russia lose in Israel, then England need only to draw (or win) against Croatia in their final match at Wembley to guarantee qualification. If Russia draw in Israel, then England will need to beat Croatia in their final match to go through, given that a Russia win against Andorra is all but certain. There is one other glimmer of hope for England. If Croatia lose in Macedonia, then an England win over the Croats by a three-goal margin will put them above their rivals. A 2-0 win would also be enough, but a two-goal margin in which England have conceded a goal (eg 3-1) will not be enough - as Croatia's away goal will mean they lead the head-to-head standings between the teams. Of course, should Russia have dropped points against Israel then any win over Croatia will suffice. The odds to qualify: Croatia 1/100 Russia 4/9 England 13/8 Think we have very little chance personally, and (shame though it'd be) part of me hopes we fail if it's the price of getting shot of the fucking idiot in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 i dont understand why people are writing us off as having very little chance. israel are a good side, and i don't expect russia to beat them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 "i dont understand why people are writing us off as having very little chance. israel are a good side, and i don't expect russia to beat them" But at the same time i dont expect England to beat Croatia, so it would still point to Russia getting the necessary points against "Rock bottom Andorra", Its not impossible Mike G, but its highly improbable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) Russia will beat Andorra We SHOULD beat Croatia at Wembley...if we don't it's a poor poor show, whether they're doing well or not, I'd be disgusted if we didn't beat them and Israel have only lost once in like 18 or 19 games in Israel, so if Russia go there and win, no only will I be surprised, but also impressed. I still think we should go through. Edited November 13, 2007 by CraccerC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMC Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Mon the Russia! Do England fans not actually care much that the English media is what makes other people love to see England lose? Why are you playing in Austria (the venue of the Euro final to be precise) tonight by the way? Seems pretty pointless. Another point, I cannot believe McClaren has said in an interview that "All eyes in Europe will be on one match - Russia v Israel". Not being biased, but I think the big game across Europe WILL be Scotland v Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Yeah, your lot will have to qualify for a competition at some time in the modern age As for the England media... do your lot not realise that many English people (fans or not) are sick of the media for reasons other than football, as well as football? I mean, football is obviously very important, but I'd prefer if one of the most popular newspapers was not fabricating stories about important people like the PM for example (i.e. Piers Morgan and the false story about Blair), rather than over-hyping the national football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Israel 1-0 up....false hope? We'll see . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Poor Scotland. I was more bothered about their result than what Israel are doing tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 1-1 5 mins to go..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 (edited) If we scrape through after this I will be embarrassed . Unlucky Scotland (Faddy, Davey and Naysmith in particular). (Edit 2-1 Israel) Edited November 17, 2007 by MikeO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 (edited) Israel 2-1 Russia!!! Yay! Only a draw needed against Croatia if Russia don't score in 50 seconds Edited November 17, 2007 by Yorkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 i said it all along russia would not beat israel. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 i said it all alongrussia would not beat israel. thanks I'm (sort of) delighted that you were right Craccer, though sounds like Israel rode their luck in the second half. Steve Mclaren has apparently converted to Judaism . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Israel sounded extremely lucky according to the radio though Craccer, glad you're right though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Good times =] Bad luck for scotland and im like mark, i was more bothered about their result today tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I was the same, but then it all cahnged when Israel went 1-0 up . I was quite angry at the jocks who wanted Israel to lose today, I always support Scotland and Wales whenever they play, and feel that they should do the same to us as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 they were a bitfortunate at the end but israel as they have done somany times fougt it out, theyre hard to beat in israel all we have to do now is take our opportunity, i always t6hough it wud come down to this game, i was more confident over israel not losing though than us getting the win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I think that England cannot play for a draw in the game against Croatia or we will lose, we have to play to win and take our opportunities otherwise we don't stand a chance. I'm still not too hopeful, but obviously more hopeful than I was 2 and a hlaf hours ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Macedonia beating Croatia now . Although they've probably heard the Israel result which means they've definitely qualified....we'll probably win the group . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Doubt it'll last Mike, and I'm not gonna get greedy, 2nd'll do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMC Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Scotland have restored their pride more than anything. Going into the final game and still being in a position to qualify was far beyond expectations. Think a draw would have been a fair result today in our game and God knows why Italy got that free kick (that lead to winning goal) in the first place. It's onwards and upwards for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Agreed. I think Scotland deserved a lot more than they got from this campaign, I just wish that the majority of fans would be happy that England are doing well, as I root for Scotland in any game they are playing, unless it is England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 feel for Faddy, the chance in the second half was probably the most painfull moment he could imagine! great effort thou, but italy had a good goal disaloud and barry fergusons goal was offside, but damn good fight and spirit, could teach our primadonnas a thing or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 haha unlucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilpyrokid951 Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 (edited) scotland can take a lot from their qualifying campaign tho the took the world champions and runners up right down to the wire and finished higher than ukraine, a country that were in the the quarter finals of the latest world cup (correct me if i'm wrong) and they did all of this with a relatively young side, bar weir i think it is whos 37 all in all lookin good for scotland in the future and their world cup qualifying draw will definately be helped by keeping pace with world champions italy and completing the double over france i certainly hope that scotland are in the next world cup! ohh and if scotland had switched groups with england and played the way they did then they would def be at EURO next summer no offense to any england fans out there but i think scotland deserve to qualify much more than england Edited November 20, 2007 by American Evertonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 meh they got a lucky win in france, whatever, they're still cocks, and they're still not good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 (edited) meh they got a lucky win in france, whatever, they're still cocks, and they're still not good enough ....and neither are we at the moment, 2-0 down.. or :crying_anim: :crying_anim: :crying_anim: . Not sure. Talking to myself here, but wtf do we do at half time to get out of this? Carson looks terrified every time the ball comes anywhere near him but he can't waste a sub on him surely. Needs someone else up front. We can't take a free kick to save our lives. Pathetic. Can only get better second half can't it? Edit at 2-1....never a penalty, but I'll take it . Edit at 2-2... :upsidedown: :arrowhead: :confused: ....and Carson's playing a blinder :sad01_anim: . (still time to lose it though) Edit at 3-2...told you. Taxi for Mr McLaren! ...and good night. PS Least we were put out by an Evertonian . Final thought, stolen from the BBC site... "Without doubt, the defining image of McClaren's short reign. With their backs against the wall, England need blood, sweat and tears, and yet McClaren stood there helpless, umbrella aloft, not even prepared to get his hair wet!" Edited November 21, 2007 by MikeO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMC Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Tonight was exactly what England deserved to be honest. The management isn't the only problem either. Until the overpaid, overrated faggots on the field realise they're not as good as they think then England are really going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 England to qualify? Nope... Still it's the perfect excuse to bring back the home championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Amongst many poor performances tonight!.....I'd say Lescott has nothing to be ashamed of. The manager on the other hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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