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#41 MagicMikel

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Posted 03 Apr 2010 - 09:46

According to the Telegraph's fantasy league he has two assists (league and FA Cup only).



i seen a few weeks ago he was third behind baines and peinaar but had 6/7 i think.
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Posted 03 Apr 2010 - 10:01

he got three in one game in the europa i know that...
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Posted 03 Apr 2010 - 14:44

Its definitely more than two!? As stated above, he had loads in the Europa league?
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Posted 03 Apr 2010 - 15:18

Its definitely more than two!? As stated above, he had loads in the Europa league?

He got three in his first start (against AEK), one the following week at Hull in the Carling Cup, everyone (me included) got very excited about him and it's been downhill all the way from then :( .
I've not written off his chances of being a success but on the basis of what I've seen I'm not overly confident.
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 - 09:40

At least he know's that his performances haven't been the best... not sure about the title of the article!

http://www.skysports...6118283,00.html
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 - 10:00

didnt realise he has been playing for so long, anyone know when the Russian league started?
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 - 12:47

He will come good next season witha good pre-season behnid him I reckon he will be our top midfield goal scorer next season
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 - 13:25

didnt realise he has been playing for so long, anyone know when the Russian league started?


Idd, important to keep in mind.

i think the russian league starts in january
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 - 14:23

...anyone know when the Russian league started?

After the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1992. He must be well knackered :P .

I'll get my coat :unsure: .
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 - 14:26

that made me laugh more than it should have done :lol:
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Posted 30 Apr 2010 - 14:01

hadnt seen that Mike.... Truely terrible :D

aaaanyway, check this:

http://www.evertonfc...atch-next-year-

some interesting facts:

Everton have not lost on any of the six occasions when the former Lokomotiv Moscow player has been on the scoresheet since his arrvial


Billy's transfer to Everton came immediately after the gruelling Russian season, meaning he has been playing solidly for almost 18 months


no wonder he is knackered! Just as well Russia arent going to the world cup otherwise he wouldnt be able to walk next season!

Edited by galacticaracnid, 30 Apr 2010 - 14:04.

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Posted 30 Apr 2010 - 19:22

Bily's problem isn't that he's been poor with ball to feet. Every ball-player on our team (Pienaar, Arteta, Osman.. etc.) make the same mistakes and the same amount of poor passes, but Bily's problem is that hasn't been able to get on the ball enough to show his quality. That'll come with fitness. I have no doubt he has the ability to succeed here. The pre-season will do him good.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 13:41

i like the idea of playing Bily and Peanuts on the wings and letting them switch.



Bily is such a crap winger it's unbelievable.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 14:30

Bily is such a crap winger it's unbelievable.

I think he will ok over there after a break. Where else is he going to play?
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 14:36

I think he will ok over there after a break. Where else is he going to play?



He won't, nothing will make a difference to his wing play because he's just not a winger!

He's a left-sided central midfielder but he's not going to get there unless Arteta leaves (which I hope won't be happening). But I think he'd be best in the floating role behind the striker. So this season I'd want Cahill phasing out (he's getting on now after all) and Bily being given a go there. I think he'd be absolutely brilliant there and would get just as many goals as Cahill does from there, albeit different types of goals.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 14:43

He won't, nothing will make a difference to his wing play because he's just not a winger!

He's a left-sided central midfielder but he's not going to get there unless Arteta leaves (which I hope won't be happening). But I think he'd be best in the floating role behind the striker. So this season I'd want Cahill phasing out (he's getting on now after all) and Bily being given a go there. I think he'd be absolutely brilliant there and would get just as many goals as Cahill does from there, albeit different types of goals.

Since Timmy has just signed a new contract i dont see him being phased out (agree with you there though) and he is one of Moyes' ever presents, even during phases of poor form. Unless he is injured or suspended, Skippy wont be dropped. So where else do you put him? I dont want to see him warming the bench and the only real place open for him is RW (unless Arteta and/or Peanuts leave - heaven forbid).
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 14:50

If he plays on the wing he's going to look shite, just like last season, so I hope Moyes doesn't see him as our answer on the right. I'm sick of having someone on the right who 'can do a job', I want a proper winger out there so we can have some balance to the midfield, because right now we're lop-sided so sides know that if they shut our left side down then they pretty much shut Everton down.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 15:51

If he plays on the wing he's going to look shite, just like last season, so I hope Moyes doesn't see him as our answer on the right. I'm sick of having someone on the right who 'can do a job', I want a proper winger out there so we can have some balance to the midfield, because right now we're lop-sided so sides know that if they shut our left side down then they pretty much shut Everton down.

Agree completely, we definately need a class RW. But who's to say Bily wont be better this season. Last season he was thrown into a squad in poor form, in a completely new league after having played 1/2 a season in another league. Im feeling he was overwhelmed and under too much pressure. This year i expect something much better, similar to Felli's form. Took him a while to find his favourite postion and settle, here is hoping Bily finds his on the right and shines. Dont get me wrong, I would welcome Lando back with open arms, but considering we are strapped for cash as normal, not sure that will happen. And who else do you play there? Push Coleman up a bit? Ossie, as much as i love him, is kak on the right, and there is noone else to play there. Bily cuttin in onto that left foot is quite an exciting prospect!
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 16:11

Bily lacks pace to be a classy winger. If he can play higher up the pitch, for exemple supporting the striker, that left foot of his will be a lot more dangerous.

A right winger (preferably Donovan) needs to be added to the squad and a back-up for Baines, and I think we'll be pushing top 4 then.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 16:34

Agree completely, we definately need a class RW. But who's to say Bily wont be better this season. Last season he was thrown into a squad in poor form, in a completely new league after having played 1/2 a season in another league. Im feeling he was overwhelmed and under too much pressure. This year i expect something much better, similar to Felli's form. Took him a while to find his favourite postion and settle, here is hoping Bily finds his on the right and shines. Dont get me wrong, I would welcome Lando back with open arms, but considering we are strapped for cash as normal, not sure that will happen. And who else do you play there? Push Coleman up a bit? Ossie, as much as i love him, is kak on the right, and there is noone else to play there. Bily cuttin in onto that left foot is quite an exciting prospect!



Spidey, when he came here he said he wasn't a winger, so I very much doubt that he'll find the right wing becomes his favourite position. He's simply not a winger, and as far as I'm concerned, that's plain as day.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 16:53

Spidey, when he came here he said he wasn't a winger, so I very much doubt that he'll find the right wing becomes his favourite position. He's simply not a winger, and as far as I'm concerned, that's plain as day.

fair enough, ive agreed with you each time but im trying to look at this realistically and youre not offering an alternative, youre just sayin no! Assuming we cant bring anyone in (which is likely until we sell someone), who do you put on the RW? Or where do you put Bily? You cant just leave him sitting on the bench and he is not going to displace Arteta, Peanuts, Skippy or Screech. You dont pay 9mill or whatever it was for someone to sit on the bench mate, and since he is a midfielder, and the others wont be dropped unless injured/suspended, what do you do with him?

(maybe move this little debate to a new thread, gone a little off topic here!)
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 16:59

fair enough, ive agreed with you each time but im trying to look at this realistically and youre not offering an alternative, youre just sayin no! Assuming we cant bring anyone in (which is likely until we sell someone), who do you put on the RW? Or where do you put Bily? You cant just leave him sitting on the bench and he is not going to displace Arteta, Peanuts, Skippy or Screech. You dont pay 9mill or whatever it was for someone to sit on the bench mate, and since he is a midfielder, and the others wont be dropped unless injured/suspended, what do you do with him?

(maybe move this little debate to a new thread, gone a little off topic here!)



I want him just behind the striker, there's really no other place for him. I love Cahill but it's time. I know it's not going to happen but he's Cahill's successor in my eyes.


You don't pay 9million for a player and then play him out of position either tbh. And I'd rather him sit on the bench til he gets his go behind the striker than have him stink out the place by playing like dogshit. Harsh, but that's how it should be.

And I don't know who I want on the RW. It's a problem that Moyes should have solved a long time ago, because it's been our achilles heel for quite some time.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 17:03

(maybe move this little debate to a new thread, gone a little off topic here!)



Done :).
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 17:13

I want him just behind the striker, there's really no other place for him. I love Cahill but it's time. I know it's not going to happen but he's Cahill's successor in my eyes.


You don't pay 9million for a player and then play him out of position either tbh. And I'd rather him sit on the bench til he gets his go behind the striker than have him stink out the place by playing like dogshit. Harsh, but that's how it should be.

And I don't know who I want on the RW. It's a problem that Moyes should have solved a long time ago, because it's been our achilles heel for quite some time.

It wouldnt be the 1st time and sure as shit wont be the last. I dont like the idea of leaving on the bench because hes not going to be match fit when his chance comes along. I would rather him play in a position that isnt his best (apparently he has even played defence :blink: ) and keep him match fit with such a good left foot on him cutting in from the right makes sense. Now, couple that with Coleman overlapping (i know i was talking about realistically but stay with me on this!) and he doesnt necessarily need lightning pace. He has the skills and power in those feet and coming in off the right is the best place to play him at the moment.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 17:17

Where does he play for Russia :mellow: ?
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 17:20

It wouldnt be the 1st time and sure as shit wont be the last. I dont like the idea of leaving on the bench because hes not going to be match fit when his chance comes along. I would rather him play in a position that isnt his best (apparently he has even played defence :blink: ) and keep him match fit with such a good left foot on him cutting in from the right makes sense. Now, couple that with Coleman overlapping (i know i was talking about realistically but stay with me on this!) and he doesnt necessarily need lightning pace. He has the skills and power in those feet and coming in off the right is the best place to play him at the moment.



You're right it won't be the last time, but playing people out of position really pisses me off. It's my pet hate.

He has the skills and power in those feet sure, but he doesn't have the pace. His vision would be immense in the middle of the park, whether that's in midfield or behind the striker.

I've said before that we need balance in our midfield and playing Bily on the right won't do that, we'll still be as redundant that side as we are now. And that's precisely because he'd be cutting inside on to his left foot and because he won't be able to go past the man to give us that go forward - we've seen all last season that he just passes backwards.
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 - 17:23

Done :).

good man, we can be friends now! :P

It wouldnt be the 1st time and sure as shit wont be the last. I dont like the idea of leaving on the bench because hes not going to be match fit when his chance comes along. I would rather him play in a position that isnt his best (apparently he has even played defence :blink: ) and keep him match fit with such a good left foot on him cutting in from the right makes sense. Now, couple that with Coleman overlapping (i know i was talking about realistically but stay with me on this!) and he doesnt necessarily need lightning pace. He has the skills and power in those feet and coming in off the right is the best place to play him at the moment.

Wiki, the fountain of all knowledge and information, says left wing. But I wouldnt want to break up Baines and Pienaar. Coleman and Bily could have a cracking partnership similar to Baines/Pienaar, Peanuts isnt lighning quick either and relies a lot on Baines' overlaps. Wishful thinking i know, but would love to see it happen...

Edited by galacticaracnid, 11 Jul 2010 - 17:24.

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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 11:47

Where does he play for Russia :mellow: ?



Left midfield normally but has even been used as a left back for them.

The fact he has no pace and cant go past a man doesnt mean he cant play out wide. Kevin Sheedy and David Beckham spring to mind!
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 13:58

Didn't arteta play on the wide for us?

To be honest Bily should play where he's needed like every other everton player. It'll make him a better player, and when the chance arises he can play in his preferred position. If pienaar stays and we get a right winger we won't start him anyway....
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 14:16

The fact he has no pace and cant go past a man doesnt mean he cant play out wide. Kevin Sheedy and David Beckham spring to mind!


The thing that was so frustrating about Bily last season was that he always looked to pass backwards, and that's because he has no pace and can't beat the man. I just don't see the benefit of having him out wide at all. His talents are wasted there IMO.

Didn't arteta play on the wide for us?

To be honest Bily should play where he's needed like every other everton player. It'll make him a better player, and when the chance arises he can play in his preferred position. If pienaar stays and we get a right winger we won't start him anyway....


Yes Arteta did play out wide for us, are you suggesting he does that again?

I'm sure Bily will play where he's needed, as he showed last season. But the question is where should he play. And I don't think either wing is where he should play, it stifles us.
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 14:44

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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 14:56

I wouldn't recommend Arteta on the wide again at all, because it's become obvious his forte is in the middle of the park, but we clearly lack a winger with pace for the right hand side, and it needs to be addressed.

As for where Bily should play, personally I think behind the striker is the wrong position. I've seen no evidence of him being a poacher like Cahill, nor has he the heading ability to deal with long balls heaped forward in desperation. I would think he looks more like a Lampard sort of player, left central midfield, able to pass well and tackle, capable of long shots and good crosses, not much pace but good composure.

In fact, I could see him being proficient in that sort of position, but it would push Fellaini out of the squad, and leave us with cover needed on right and left midfield. To me though, that is where his ability would be put to best use.
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 15:21

As for where Bily should play, personally I think behind the striker is the wrong position. I've seen no evidence of him being a poacher like Cahill, nor has he the heading ability to deal with long balls heaped forward in desperation.



I never said he was like Cahill, I said earlier that he'd get as many goals as Cahill (IMO) but they'd be completely different. I don't want him behind the striker because he can poach or win headers, I want him there because it'd give him the freedom to float about, link-up the midfield effectively, set up the striker, score goals. I want him in the Cahill position but not to play the Cahill role.
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 15:33

I never said he was like Cahill, I said earlier that he'd get as many goals as Cahill (IMO) but they'd be completely different. I don't want him behind the striker because he can poach or win headers, I want him there because it'd give him the freedom to float about, link-up the midfield effectively, set up the striker, score goals. I want him in the Cahill position but not to play the Cahill role.


Isn't that where Pienaar would be best as well? the best I've seen him play is in a free creative role, linking up play, creating attacking options. Playing wide left he has to constantly cut in on his right because he is not naturally left footed, and cuts inside a lot. Playing in a team is about compromise, it didn't work for england, but they weren't playing for each toher. It works for Everton, and while I agree in priniciple that linking up play is what Bily will eventually become best at for us, at this point a lot of players could do that, and I would rather Cahill to stay where he is while he can still do what he does.

I think Bily would work better a bit deeper, next to arteta in the middle, but that's my opinion.
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 15:38

Isn't that where Pienaar would be best as well? the best I've seen him play is in a free creative role, linking up play, creating attacking options. Playing wide left he has to constantly cut in on his right because he is not naturally left footed, and cuts inside a lot. Playing in a team is about compromise, it didn't work for england, but they weren't playing for each toher. It works for Everton, and while I agree in priniciple that linking up play is what Bily will eventually become best at for us, at this point a lot of players could do that, and I would rather Cahill to stay where he is while he can still do what he does.

I think Bily would work better a bit deeper, next to arteta in the middle, but that's my opinion.



Yeah it is but Pienaar is still effective on the wing, and he's formed a cracking partnership with Baines out wide.

The reason I want Cahill phasing out this season is because he's getting on, and we'll need to find a system that works without him in it. And last season I thought he looked a bit crap compared to his usual high standards. If he goes back to how he's always been before then that's brilliant for us, but for much of last season he showed poor form.

I agree that Bily would be good, brilliant even, left of Arteta in the middle, but I don't think we're gonna have a midfield with no defensive midfielder in it.
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 15:49

Surely a compromise can be made though, for example, in a perfect world, come january we loan Donovan and this is our starting 11:

---------------Howard-------------------

Neville----Jagielka----Heitinga----Baines

--------------Fellaini------------------

Donovan----Arteta----Bilyaletdinov----Pienaar

----------------Saha--------------------

That to me is a team without Cahill that could finish 4th. Bily and Arteta in the Centre, Fellaini behind moving up for attacks, Donovan and Pienaar cutting in with Neville and Baines down the flanks.
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 16:38

---------------Howard-------------------

Neville----Jagielka----Heitinga----Baines

--------------Fellaini------------------

Donovan----Arteta----Bilyaletdinov----Pienaar

----------------Saha--------------------

Decent team but if Ossie can play approaching the level he did against United at Goodison in February (and I think he raises his game when the team is playing well) Bily will be lucky to get a sniff.
He can't grab hold of a game and turn it himself but then I can't see Bily doing that either.

I'm afraid I'm still unconvinced that he's going to come good personally. A few quality finishes don't cover up eighty-nine minutes of mediocrity per game and I don't think that can all be put down to fatigue.

Be delighted to be proved wrong :) .
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Posted 12 Jul 2010 - 16:55

---------------Howard-------------------

Neville----Jagielka----Heitinga----Baines

--------------Fellaini------------------

Donovan----Arteta----Bilyaletdinov----Pienaar

----------------Saha--------------------



I'd have that team all day long.
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Posted 13 Jul 2010 - 19:02

Looking at the way we finished last season, I get the feeling Moyes is looking to play a much narrower 3 up front (striker and two wingers). Vic played a lot at the end of the season cutting in from the left and Billy did the same when he played by starting wide and then drifting inside. In fact Donovan also did it (but also worked down the wings a lot more than we have seen for a long time down the right!), just look at his goal against City. Furthermore Pienaar also cuts inside often, generally allowing Baines to overlap. I dont really think we play with 'wingers' and I dont think we will play like that especially with the signings of Gueye and Silva. From what I have read they seem like winger/strikers.

The problem Billy has compared to the likes of Pienaar or Donovan is that he doesnt beat his man. It doesnt have to be a problem if he then whips in a quality ball, but last season he looked backwards and put others under pressure. However, he also didnt really have an overlapping option to often and in one of his best games against Man City he played from the left with Baines raiding down the flank. With Coleman down that wing and getting involved it may well 'cover-up' one of his deficiencies?

When we attack it 'should' look a bit like this:

------------Jags-------------Heitinga
---------------------Felli
---------------Arteta-----Rodwell
Coleman----------------------------------Baines
----------Billy----------------Pienaar
----------------------Yak

This 'in theory' means we should have width provided by the fullbacks (and also the wingers if needed' as well as having numbers in the box, especially when you add one of the central midfielders getting forward as well. I dont think it would necessarily work like this with Cahill in the team as that makes us more of a two up top but hopefully you get where Im coming from.

Overall if we want Billy to play like a winger, then we have wasted 9mil, if we want him to cut inside (and provide width if necessary) then we could have a gem of a player a he has showed at times.

Edited by Bailey, 13 Jul 2010 - 19:08.

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Posted 14 Jul 2010 - 07:51

Looking at the way we finished last season, I get the feeling Moyes is looking to play a much narrower 3 up front (striker and two wingers). Vic played a lot at the end of the season cutting in from the left and Billy did the same when he played by starting wide and then drifting inside. In fact Donovan also did it (but also worked down the wings a lot more than we have seen for a long time down the right!), just look at his goal against City. Furthermore Pienaar also cuts inside often, generally allowing Baines to overlap. I dont really think we play with 'wingers' and I dont think we will play like that especially with the signings of Gueye and Silva. From what I have read they seem like winger/strikers.

The problem Billy has compared to the likes of Pienaar or Donovan is that he doesnt beat his man. It doesnt have to be a problem if he then whips in a quality ball, but last season he looked backwards and put others under pressure. However, he also didnt really have an overlapping option to often and in one of his best games against Man City he played from the left with Baines raiding down the flank. With Coleman down that wing and getting involved it may well 'cover-up' one of his deficiencies?

When we attack it 'should' look a bit like this:

------------Jags-------------Heitinga
---------------------Felli
---------------Arteta-----Rodwell
Coleman----------------------------------Baines
----------Billy----------------Pienaar
----------------------Yak

This 'in theory' means we should have width provided by the fullbacks (and also the wingers if needed' as well as having numbers in the box, especially when you add one of the central midfielders getting forward as well. I dont think it would necessarily work like this with Cahill in the team as that makes us more of a two up top but hopefully you get where Im coming from.

Overall if we want Billy to play like a winger, then we have wasted 9mil, if we want him to cut inside (and provide width if necessary) then we could have a gem of a player a he has showed at times.

This, except id have Saha ahead of Yak.
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