MikeO

...you believe. I don't. No problem (not "pulling you up," just having my own opinion ). No falling out here Jim. You're completely entitled to that viewpoint (see how reasonable we athiests can be )....I'll clarify why I use the word later, but no time now because I have to go to Bath to watch my kid brother get shackled to his better half .

1. Because that's what we were talking about. 2. Don't I? I didn't say that anywhere. 3. Yes. 4. I haven't. 5. Didn't say that either. I've only offered my opinion. I've not suggested anyone's wrong (or uneducated) for what they believe, no-one needs to go and look at themselves in the mirror. I'm sorry if my views offend you, yours don't offend me....and nor do anyone elses (that have been stated on here)...I thought Christians were supposed to be tolerant . And point taken JD, you can't argue with faith and I gave up trying many years ago.

I'd have a lot of respect for him if he had a, "Well God made a right pigs-ear of that one!" layer on underneath for when he misses . Or maybe the keeper could have a, "My God's bigger than your God!" one for when he makes a stunning save in the top corner. The possibilities are endless.. "God should have made me play it square for TC because Jo was unmarked at the near post." "Sorry for the miss, God's carrying a slight hamstring strain." Sorry .

Luton out of the football league today only seventeen years after dropping out of the top flight. A fine example for Newcastle to follow .

Fully appreciate your position on the matter JD and your research is proven time and again to be second to none. My "research" was a quick glance because I felt Jim was being a bit dimissive of Maghull's point. But, in the true spirit of one man's ceiling is another man's floor, "theological writings of dubious accuracy" and "'facts' based on sketchy or non-existent evidence" pretty succinctly sums up the Bible in my opinion , so to use it as a basis of fact to disprove another theory is fairly meaningless for me. Incidentally, "people taking claims that are totally unsubstantiated and accepting them as if they were undisputed facts" nicely sums up religion for me. But there we are. Maybe I'm missing something, maybe not....I'll find out soon enough. And I don't find anyone elses beliefs embarrassing, just occasionally the way they express them....the same could as easily go for other's sexuality, gay people are fine with me but I'd find excessive public displays of affection embarrassing, just as I would heterosexual ones come to that.

With all the horrors in the world I find it toe curlingly embarrassing that any sportsman (American sprinters thanking god for their medals started it all off) feels it appropriate to thank god for their meaningless and pointless (in the grand scheme of things) effort. If the supreme being is wasting his time looking after his followers as they hop, skip and jump to world domination then he's a pretty piss-poor deity imo....one or two other little matters he may want to attend to first; war, famine, disease, starvation....that sort of thing. The arrogance of christians thinking he's on their shoulder giving them a hand I find embarrassing because for it to be true you'd have some horrifically laughable heavenly nepotism going on and any god involved in such behaviour should be the one taking a good look at themselves . Priorities you hugeness!

Many thanks for that mate. I gave him a swerve anyway because he sounded wrong from the start but it's good to have it confirmed.

Wasn't presenting it as fact. Was just pointing out that there may be reason for some to come to the conclusion that it comes from Pagan rites, I could link half a dozen sites that'd support that view but I won't bother . It matters nothing to me, each to his own God (or otherwise). But I have to say I find it toe curlingly embarrassing when Pienaar lifts his shirt to proclaim "God is Great," presumably for giving him the strength to score. The idea that, should a supreme being exist, he's going to spend his time making "his" gang score more and run faster than the others I find totally absurd.

That's lucky because there's no way he'd want to take such a big step down in class .

The festival of Pasch, or the Passover, was very early observed by many professing Christians, in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Christ, although it cannot be traced back as far as the Apostles. But Pasch was observed by Christians a full month before the festival of Ishtar was celebrated by the Pagans. In addition, the festival of Ishtar (Easter) now observed in churches is far different from the original festival of Pasch. The amalgamation of the Christian Pasch, as observed in Britain by the Christians, and the Pagan Easter enforced by Rome, occurred by violence and bloodshed. But at last, the Festival of the Anglo-Saxon or Chaldean goddess, Ishtar, came to supersede that which had been held in honor of Christ.

I've gotta go and eat with my in-laws after this....I'm gonna be a gibbering wreck .

Pienaar does his bit to keep the day Christian....

F'king hell . Great one for the neutrals...I'm hating it.

You beauty!!

Current Player of the Year standings.... Jagielka 215 Arteta 164 Fellaini 159 Baines 137 Cahill 128 Osman 102 Neville 89 Pienaar 85 Howard 62 Saha 62 Lescott 53 João Alves Jô 38 Rodwell 29 Gosling 26 Anichebe 21 Castillo 20 Baadhi 17 Hibbert 16 Yobo 12 Vaughan 11 Yakubu 10 Van der Meyde 10 Baxter 4 Jacobsen 3 Valente 2 MOTM winners.... Blackburn (H)...Mikel Arteta West Brom (A)...Leon Osman Portsmouth (H)...Leighton Baines Stoke City (A)...Tim Cahill Standard Liege (H)...Segundo Castillo Hull City (A)...Leon Osman Blackburn (A)...Louis Saha Liverpool (H)...Phil Jagielka Standard Liege (A)...Phil Jagielka Newcastle (H)...Leighton Baines Arsenal (A)...Marouane Fellaini Manchester United (H)...Marouane Fellaini Bolton (A)...Marouane Fellaini Fulham (H)...Phil Jagielka West Ham (A)...Louis Saha Middlesbrough (H)...Phil Neville Wigan (A)...Tim Howard Spurs (A)...Phil Jagielka Aston Villa (H)...Joleon Lescott Man City (A)...Tim Cahill Chelsea (H)...Leon Osman Middlesbrough (A)...Mikel Arteta Sunderland (H)...Mikel Arteta Macclesfield (A)...Leighton Baines Hull (A)...Mikel Arteta Liverpool (A-league)...Leighton Baines Liverpool (A-Cup)...Phil Jagielka Arsenal (H)...Tim Cahill Manchester United (A)...Tim Howard Liverpool (H-Cup replay)...Phil Jagielka Bolton (H)...João Alves Jô Aston Villa (H)...Mikel Arteta Newcastle (A)...Jack Rodwell West Brom (H)...Steven Pienaar Blackburn (A)...Phil Neville Middlesbrough (H)...Marouane Fellaini Stoke City (H)...Marouane Fellaini Portsmouth (A)...Leighton Baines Wigan (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Was posted while you were off Jim, have a look back to Post #4576 is this thread .

I am horribly superstitious....if we lose and I discover I've been wearing the wrong shirt I take the blame . And I've seen the film but not read the book :oneeyed01: . Surprised no-one's posted the teams... Aston Villa: Friedel, Luke Young, Davies, Knight, Shorey, Milner, Petrov, Barry, Ashley Young, Agbonlahor, Carew. Subs: Guzan, Sidwell, Delfouneso, Salifou, Reo-Coker, Gardner, Albrighton. Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Lescott, Jagielka, Baines, Osman, Neville, Cahill, Pienaar, Fellaini, Jo. Subs: Nash, Van der Meyde, Castillo, Saha, Jacobsen, Rodwell, Gosling.

Tempting you has tempted me ! I don't even remember what I've tipped, my golden rule is to never look on the day and make changes because it never works out....crap .

Since we played them in the cup they've got one point from a possible eighteen and gone out of the UEFA. We've had a bit of a dodgy patch as well (until last week), dropped points we shouldn't have (at Newcastle & Blackburn) and still made up ten points on them. They're the worst team in the league on current form (LINK). Only one winner surely ?

Why does it have Rooney in the blue side of the graphic ? Stupid.

It quite clearly says in the user guidelines that all sauce discussion is to be placed in the Longest Thread Jim. I wish people would read them more carefully when they sign up, it'd save a lot of embarrassing condiment based confusion.

Point taken lads but it still pisses me off <_< .

This pissed me off...on the beeb... Aston Villa fans should be enjoying this afternoon so far. Arsenal, losing 1-0 at Wigan, have a six-point lead in fourth but they still have to play Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester United. Steve Claridge said something similar on Final Score....no mention of Everton anywhere. Have they not noticed that we are only one point back and on a vastly superior run of form?!? Doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that if we were to win tomorrow we'd be a much bigger threat than Villa are. Don't look beyond the end of their nose some people.

You did mate, and I didn't....don't remember why, there must have been a reason. BT were very efficient on the change-over, been reliable and they've tripled the speed I had before for much less money, so I've no complaints so far . I'll try the channel change though Louis, thanks. Does that free wi-fi work taxi? Downloaded it onto the laptop and can't get a cnnection here but I'm a bit rural.

Is this a North/South thing? If so I may be onto a loser on here ! Where do people stand on Worcestershire? Lea & Perrins or nothing for me :smile_anim: .