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Good player and would improve us, but spends too much time injured for me.
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I'd love Frank to stay, but I just can't see what progress is being made with the training and "hard work" that is always being referred to?
Taking player individual ability to one side that can be fixed by transfers. Before the break we had many tactical and organisational issues. 3 main attacking ones in my opinion. (Defensively we looked relatively solid before the World Cup - Bournemouth aside).
1. Generally Moving the ball too slowly moving up the pitch
2. Midfielders not finding space or making angles to receive the ball when transitioning from defence to attack from the back.
3. When in the final attacking third of the pitch BEFORE receiving the ball, knowing where the next pass/cross was going to. (so that it was quick, the target player was in sync making a run if needed in order to break down well organised defenses)
While the World Cup was on there were 3 to 4 weeks to practice/train/coach the absolute shit out of this, yet there is no evidence whatsoever that anything like this has been done. There seems to be no apparent change at all!
I don't believe the players we have are all significantly worse than most other lower half of the league teams. Even if you don't have amazingly off the cuff creative players in the final 3rd, you can still run and practice the crap out of range of American Football style "set plays" for breaking down defenses in the final 3rd and run through them so many times until your doing them in your sleep.
Whatever Frank and his team are doing off the pitch with the players, I'm not seeing any kind of change in what the players are doing on it at all. This is what concerns me the most in sticking with him. If he is to stay we need to see evidence of the changes the coaching team are looking to deliver.
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8 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:
For Everton to be more successful, we must start to become more ruthless when it comes to squad. A player giving their all ought to be a minimum requirement - but it's pointless when the player is simply not good enough. Rondon has to be the worst recruited player in a decade - and that's saying something.
Really?
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22 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:
Except for that time he legitimately put a foot wrong and was bailed out by Pickford's great save on Gelhardt
Yes apart from that....
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Went for Tarkowski. Didn't put a foot wrong. Shouted orders all game long and we never really looked in danger at corners (for a change!)
We lost the game today because the players got nervous and sat back instead of pressing in the second half.
The midfield and forward line need to take responsibility for that.
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1 minute ago, Elston Gunnn said:
Beyond the obvious difference in emotion and energy, an obvious difference is that Leeds’ passing is crisp and accurate, while ours is tentative and often off-target. We’ve been a lousy passing team for the last 3 seasons, sometimes embarrassingly so. Just basic passing.
That's because they are pressing us and we are having to pass under pressure. When they have the ball we are sitting off them and letting them have time on the ball to make a run and pick a pass.
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Didn't stay up to watch this one.....
Very glad I didn't!
I know these are friendlies, but you'd expect to see some evidence of a change due to training for a new season, revised tactics etc.
To me there is no change at all and the same players not learning, changing or improving anything at all. Same approach and mistakes with same results.
There us A LOT of dead wood to move on.
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Overall I was disappointed with last nights performance although there were some positives. Nothing new though and all the same issues from last season. I can't see any training that's had any effect on the issues from last season.
Main points for me were:
1) With the players we have 5 at the back simply doesn't work. The fullbacks don't push up, we end up with a flat back 5 and the only way we can get the ball up front is a long ball as the midfield are outnumbered.
2) Nkounkou and Holgate can't defend - they simply aren't good enough for Everton or even the premiership. I think they both have the ability, but the brains needed to know where you should be positioning yourself, awareness of where the oppostion are and not getting caught ball watching and losing your man. They seem to have no ability to be able to improve in this area and repeat this same mistake time and time again.
3) Deli can't play in that formation and simply is lazy and poor and tracking back (I would have expected top see a big change here for me - but no evidence whatsoever from last night) . To me he can only play one role and that the Cahill type Attacking Midfielder role. Plays down the middle, not on the wing at all, joins late in the box. If you're playing 5 at the back, there is no role for him.
4) Our central midfield is just...... so shocking it's not true. I don't think any of the 4 central midfielders that played, made a forward pass. Warrington may have made a few early in the second half. The first half was dreadful in this area. Sideways and backwards only in the first half. Both Dacoure and and Davies alwatys received the ball with their back to the opposition goal, never on the half turn, never picked out a forward pass to Deli, Gray or DCL. This was in part that both Gray and Deli were always standing behind Arsenal player, not finding space to receive a ball etc.
5) Gordon and Iwobi showed they are a class above Gray and Deli. If only Iwobi could cross, he would be a world beater in this new found form of his. Both of them transformed the attack in the second half, turning their player, running at players. Just the final ball letting them down. Well that and talentless, headless chicken Rondon was ahead of them. ROndon put the effort in to be fair, but he's just got nowhere near enough quality about him.
6) Tarkowski was awesome. Leadership personified, barking positional orders. Made sure he rectified the one mistake he made. Showed the rest of our defenders how it should be done and definitely what we've been missing. Played well with Keane, although Keane did make his usual switch off mistake and got caught the wrong side of the attacker on a couple of occasions.
7) Micky was also fantastic at left back. If he gets injured, we're screwed at left back.
8. I thought all the young lads were fantastic. Really impressed with Stanley Mills (thought he played better than Patterson at RB).
Overall, nothing new really learnt. We desperately need a complete new Centre Midfield and a back-up striker. I don't understand where Deli fits our team in terms of role. We are f**ked if we have a few key injuries next season as we have no squad depth at all.
- Palfy and Romey 1878
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Couldn't agree with Romey more. I just simply don't understand why we never learn.
Proven Averageness in the Premier league at a premium price vs taking 20 to 24 Yr old promising unproven Premier league talent from a wide variety of leagues.
If we can take 2 or 3 promising talents for the price and wages of Harry Winks, I know where I want us to be looking.
No more Delphs, Gomes, Keanes, Bolasi's, Sigurdson's.
More Cahills, Artetas, Jagielkas, DCLs, Stones
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Not if he's taking wages and money from a CD and DM we need to buy imo.
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No Thanks.
If we sign Dele Alli and DVB we're repeating the same old mistakes of buying players simply because they become available and not to fill the priority positions we need. DVB is an Attacking Midfielder and so is DVB - for now job done until we can shift Gomez.
It's a CB and DM we need now as priorities.
Doing business with Daniel Levy also means you will be overpaying and never get the money back you spend.
Lets go look elsewhere for what we actually need.
- Bailey and chicagoblue
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So when we went for Moyes, he was relatively unknown and Manager at Preston NE and also hadn't won anything.
However, I think I'm right in saying he was the youngest person at the time to have completed all their coaching badges, studied coaching methods from many different sports and all over the world. He was very highly regarded in coaching circles as very detailed and very likely to become a coach at a major club at some point.
We've been down the "proven" experienced manager route a few times now and it hasn't worked out. Mainly in my view because these managers had success at big clubs at a time when you could buy the best players at will players from "lesser" clubs - because these clubs needed the money to survive. In the modern game, this is less of the case.
I understand why fans want the likes of Rooney to manage us, bringing passion for the badge to the club and players. What I don't see is any evidence of his amazing coaching ability, or being able to put a team together of analysts, coaching team, fitness and sports scientists that are on the cutting edge of developments to put us ahead of the competition.
Personally I'm not bothered in a name, experience or otherwise. Somewhere in the football community of trainers, coaches, agents etc. there must be an up and coming talent who lives, breathes tactics, coaching and everything related to this.
This is the person I want - the next David Moyes - perhaps working with Ferguson or Rooney to get the passion instilled in the players.
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I'd love Arteta, he must have learned so much under Guardiola. However, the coaching team that a manager brings with them, becomes just as important as the manager these days. I'd expect Arteta to work with some of what we have like, Big Dunc, but who else would he bring in? It's not like he will be able to bring half the Man City coaching staff with him is it? So who else would be in his coaching team that he knows as has a good relationship with? I don't like the idea of a brand new set-up of people that haven't really worked together before!
It would be Poch for me as no.1 choice if he was interested and didn't have a Real Madrid knocking at his door already.
If not then either Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe work for me. Eddie has the longevity of having proven he can do it consistently in the Premiership. Chris Wilder could be awesome, but is a risk as he wouldn't be the first 1 season premiership wonder as a manager.
I don't like the idea of Moyes, purely because it never works out 2nd time round for the long term as a manager returning.
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Suprised at the different opinions here to be honest.
I think Richarlison is one we really just have to wait and see on. I think he definitely has more talent and potential than most of our other wingers.
- Vlasic has shown nothing to me to make think he's ever going to be more than a solid bottom half of prem player or top Championship level player. Works very hard, Tracks back well, but doesn't really any creativity, invention ability to go by a player going forward.
- Lookman has all the talent in the world going forward, but is lazy and inconsistent at tracking back and needs to mature in his decision making
- Bolasie since his injury hasn't been the same force going forward to me, and has never been great tracking back.
- Walcott is good all round for me and our best winger..... when fully fit.
I'd rather be investing in younger potential that still is just on the verge of getting in first team rather than paying £30M to £40m for 28+ year old in their prime that are difficult to move on if they don't perform (e..g. Bolasie, Williams_) whcih according to Fat Sam is what we should be doing!
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10 minutes ago, nogs said:
And neither does the fact that you think Gana is shite excuse Rooney being shoddy in possession. And I stand by what I said originally - he wasn't trying worldie through balls that would have taken out three defenders and put the last man in every time. He played some very basic passes very badly. I thought the overall quality of our passing was dreadful on Sunday. There's no point picking out individuals, it was a team problem and they all have to carry the can, including Koeman for whatever he is doing on the training pitch.
Just on the 'odd misplaced pass which would have been great had it come off' argument - isn't that what Barkley gets slated for every match?
The issue to me is. We now have many players that are capable of playing a great final ball, but not enough players able to provide movement to create and move into space intelligently in the final 3rd. We then always get caught on the ball trying to pass to a load of static players. It looks like this is simple misplaced passes but I think its beause everyone off the ball is too easy to mark giving whoever it is on the ball no options, so ends up giving it away.
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I read through this topic and find it so frustrating that we just do not seem to have a working formation that fits the players most of us want to see on the pitch. It's becoming like watching England where we always end up compromising formation/players ideal position/tactics.
For me, I want to see a formation and tactics decide upon, players picked in their 1st position only.
So only 1 of Rooney, Sigurdson and Klassen can be on the pitch (assuming Vlasic is a winger and not the no.10 that BT sport said he was).
If 4-2-3-1 is formation then
Pickford
Kenny, Keane, Jags, Baines
Davies, Gana
Lookman, Rooney/Siggy, Vlasic
DCL
Then someone needs to have a word and try and understand how we go from 1 central player behind the front man to 4 of them at a cost of starting a new country and economy.
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Mo Besic may well and up playing at RB for us at this rate.
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This is a solid piece, and I'm not just saying it because I was arguing the exact same thing on here a few days ago
Agree. Great article!
He'll never make it as a journalist with that well reasoned intelligent kind of article! He needs to learn to make must stuff up!
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This was the article on Moyes Scouting system. I betbthis went with Moyes and now needs to be rebuilt by Steve Walsh.
Hopefully you can appreciate by reading it that building this kind of thing is going to take time!
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I completely agree with Haf's view on this. I actually think we have quite a repair job to be done on the scouting piece.
I remember Louis posting a book or article that one of our old head scout's wrote about how when Moyes came in one the good things he did was overhaul the scouting system and had a room in Finch Farm with the target formation drawn up and 1st to 3rd transfer target against each position that would improve the existing squad etc. We picked up quite a few under the radar good quality players under Moyes.
My view is that under Martinez, this fell away a bit. Martinez was all about coaching, positivity and bringing players on. I didn't see any evidence while he was at Everton of great scouting and player identification. Both Barry and Lukaku didn;t really need a scouting network to identify. Alcaraz, McCarthy and Kone were from Wigan and known.
McGeady, Niasse, Lennon, Deulofeu, Traore, Atsu, Robles, Besic, Eto'o
Out of those I'd give you Deulofeu and Besic as possible talent if they stay injury free and work a lot harder.
Lennon in my opinion is a "solid" rotation player.
I wouldn't say that any of them have proved to be a an unknown diamond destined for great things.
You could argue that Stones, Fellaini, Baines, Jagielka, Coleman and I'm sure there are more were "identified" as good targets and fulfilled their potential.
- Lowensda, Matt, London Blue and 1 other
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Why does is it matter?
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United had one of the best windows and did all their business VERY early. It's paying dividends.
Much easier when you have money and you are in Europe though. Like Witsel, if you receive a bid early in the window from a Non-European Cup team, you will always play for time to see if one will come in later for you. So for a club like Everton in our position it's very difficult to get your business done early. The better the player the less chance.
The only other option is to do it the Chelsea way when Abramovich first came in and spend eye watering amounts of money in comparison to other clubs and massive agent fees to overcome the non-European cup issue. We're financially sound, but I don't think we're going to take th Chelsea/Abramovich approach. It would probably have taken about £400m to spend this Transfer Window to have the impact of that first season when Chelsea broke the £100m barrier for the first time.
Kamaldeen Sulemana
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To be fair I could be reading too much in to your post. The main reason for down voting is for "people who slot in now" bit.
I associate this with the proven goalscorer, experienced etc.
We are nearly bottom of the league. Any experienced or proven goalscorer is not going to come to us unless
1) gets injured regularly.
2) we overpay on wages massively
3) is old and we'll give a long term contract to them that they cannot get elsewhere.
Or usually all 3 come together.
So Antonio, Ings etc. are all a stay clear of for me.
I would rather have young unproven risk that has the potential of being great vs either proven above or journeyman Premiership averageness ( che Adams, maupey and the like).
The difficulty for me is we don't do it enough at scale to have 1 success for every 2 or 3 failures.