Sherpa

Just watched MOTD and Mark Lawrenson just called Peinaar.....Penis!!!??
https://mobile.twitter.com/MStevo91/status/685972307089698816/video/1

It's a crime that the best squad we have had in 20yrs is stagnating like this.
We fanny around with the ball at the back far too often negating any movement that we may get from our forwards!
This is down to Martinez full stop, we had a great first season from him and a poor one last, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this time around.
So far in fits and starts we have played some brilliant football but this has all been undone by this tendency to dwell on the ball and put ourselves under unnecessary pressure, and if we could keep clean sheets we would be a least 10 points better off.
But I have come to realise that Martinez like Moyes before him has a stubborn streak which will not see him change certain personnel or compromise on his playing style.
Most if not all the teams that we have struggled against this season especially at Goodison have played in an aggressive, attacking and direct manner surely this cannot be lost on Martinez.
Today most of Leicester's attacks were started from the keeper often bypassing the midfield and using the pace and skill of Vardy and Mahrez, by contrast we piss around with the ball at the back allowing the opposition to set themselves up ready for us!.
I am not advocating a new direct long ball approach but to mix it up a bit surely wouldn't hurt, if we don't then we will see a lot more results like today.

Great team performance from font to back, Lukaku will get the plaudits for his two goals and deservedly so but well done to Kone who was a brilliant foil for Rom today.

Totally agree and I think if we are interested in him then there is a good chance we will get him, and we are are better option than Galatasaray with all the troubles going on in Turkey!He would bring a fair amount of assists and a few goals but above all a winning mentality...... Cmon Roberto sign him up.

Think he will do ok with us but not as a creative midfielder, and anyway didn't Martinez say previously that he would look for his "No 10" abroad as that would represent better value than here?.
Still expect us to sign a CB, Winger, FW and creative Mid as well as Cleverley.

I said no because I thought he would get it right... Have to say I think I may have got it wrong.
Absolutely seething about tonight total lack of ideas and passion.
Burnley and Leicester are gone but we still have to play Qpr and Villa and on tonight's performance I can't see us getting anything from those games... in fact I am now looking at the remaining fixtures and shitting myself about all of them.
10 days to next league game it's now or never for Bill !!

No romanticism about those escapes they were the absolute low point for me as an Evertonian.
My point is if we showed even a modicum of fight or passion we wouldn't be in this position, and that is the travesty for me.

Less points than Wigan at this stage in 2013!!
If he could change he would have done by now, plays same system with different players often out of position hoping things will improve... Why not change the system ????!!!!
With the future financial stakes I think Bill may yet surprise us and bullet him.

I said no because I thought he would get it right... Have to say I think I may have got it wrong.
Absolutely seething about tonight total lack of ideas and passion.
Burnley and Leicester are gone but we still have to play Qpr and Villa and on tonight's performance I can't see us getting anything from those games... in fact I am now looking at the remaining fixtures and shitting myself about all of them.
10 days to next league game it's now or never for Bill !!

I said no because I thought he would get it right... Have to say I think I may have got it wrong.
Absolutely seething about tonight total lack of ideas and passion.
Burnley and Leicester are gone but we still have to play Qpr and Villa and on tonight's performance I can't see us getting anything from those games... in fact I am now looking at the remaining fixtures and shitting myself about all of them.
10 days to next league game it's now or never for Bill !!

Plain and simple yes!!
Devoid of ideas and passion.
every team that has to play us must be thinking certain 3 points, tonight was absolutely dire!!
He will take us down absolute certainty!!!

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/everton/368/blog/post/2325771/stubborn-martinez-not-making-best-use-of-evertons-strengths?
I was definitely in the "No" camp, but this article has certainly got me thinking!!

No

I really want him to turn it around, but at present so many things are going against him chiefly the insanely high number of individual mistakes!.
But he does himself no favours by ignoring the fact we are in a dog fight.
Constantly praising the team when they don't deserve it is starting to affect his credibility.
The stark reality is if he doesn't turn it around and soon, we could be really sucked in!.

I really want him to turn it around, but at present so many things are going against him chiefly the insanely high number of individual mistakes!.
But he does himself no favours by ignoring the fact we are in a dog fight.
Constantly praising the team when they don't deserve it is starting to affect his credibility.
The stark reality is if he doesn't turn it around and soon, we could be really sucked in!.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

I really want him to turn it around, but at present so many things are going against him chiefly the insanely high number of individual mistakes!.
But he does himself no favours by ignoring the fact we are in a dog fight.
Constantly praising the team when they don't deserve it is starting to affect his credibility.
The stark reality is if he doesn't turn it around and soon, we could be really sucked in!.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

Being new to the forum I have looked at this thread with great interest.
Everyone has some very valid arguments about Lukaku and we are all entitled to our opinions.
As long as he is an Everton player I will back him 100%.
There may be times when I am absolutely pissed about his performances, offsides being a prime example but I believe that we have a decent striker in our team.
I hate the tag World Class being bandied around for players, how many genuine world class players are there...... Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer etc.
The Premiership is exciting but there are very few of these "World Class" players operating in it....Hazard, Silva, Toure, Aguero ?.
My point is that we could never afford one of these types of player so we have to make do.
28 million was a lot of money for Everton to spend on one player but after his loan spell I like many other fans, was quite excited about his signing.
Ok this season he hasn't hit the heights of last, but neither have the team.
When the team has played well Lukaku has generally done so too.
He has missed opportunities but at least he is in there to miss them, and we haven't had too many strikers doing that over the years.

New to the forum as a member but been following for several yrs and am a season ticket holder in the Paddock.
On the Lukaku issue the problem as I see it is that he likes the ball at his feet, facing goal so he can run at defences... That is when he is at his most effective, example ....Arsenal last season.
Unfortunately Roberto plays him as a hold up striker and he just doesn't have the tools for this despite his obvious physical attributes.
I know all the arguments he is only 21..... He can't trap a bag of cement etc... I actually believe he will live up to his undoubted potential and prove to be a good signing for us.
 
Howard; he has cost us at least 10 goals this season with silly mistakes, dropping catches, miscommunication with his defenders and fumbling shots. He should be dropped for Robles who after a shaky start did look very good indeed and should never have been dropped to the bench.
 
I am also frustrated at our shape, lack of movement and desire to win the ball back when we lose it... why we constantly play 4:2:3:1 is beyond me! We need width and players playing in their preferred positions not central mids playing wide.
 
This all points to a stubborn manager who is either unable or unwilling to change, I like Roberto and really want him to do well but even his press conferences are now starting to grate me.
In his defence though, yesterday he made the double change early in the second half which did improve us and lead to us going one up only for us to be undone by more mistakes from Howard, who should not have been playing!.
 
I don't belive it is time for a managerial change at present as I genuinely believe we will be ok, I do think though the summer will be a time to reflect on what has gone wrong and maybe then change, I am just fearful Roberto could be following the same clueless route that Mike Walker took!!