Palfy

Good shout can't argue with that.

Thanks for the warning maybe to late I've already felt the wrath of those who think they should be obeyed.

Enough said that's how much we care about what Henry has to say about Barkley.

Most people think we are just going to buy our way out of the problems we've got, that seems to be the common defence for Koeman's lack of management skills.It doesn't quite work like that you have to have the ability to coach players to play in your system no matter how much they cost, but I fail to see any shape or style of play to the team, far from it what we've been served up lately is best described as a shambles. He has totally lost the plot constantly changing the players, changing the formation, it's no wonder the players are struggling if he hasn't got a clue what he's doing what chance have they got.

100% the manager needs some man management skills when it comes to Barkley, he's got everything in his Arsenal you need to be a top player, the criticism is knocking his confidence a long with a manager who doesn't know what to do with him.

chalkpie is right there is more to us and the manager isn't capable of bringing it out.

Haf I remember a story you told me about a lad you new who didn't make it but should have, be honest would you play Barry or Davies at this moment in time if you were in charge.Also I would play Holgate instead of Jags or Williams I don't believe you can play them two together because there both to old and neither has got any pace so they sit to deep cause they don't want a chase back to box when they know they'd be skinned, so if you play Holgate with either one he would be able to get us further up the pitch Jags or Williams would follow him confident in the knowledge that if a ball was played in the space behind them Holgate has got the speed and legs for the chase, now in my head that is such a basic and simple thing to do which would help with the so called pressing, yet Koeman can't see that and he's on 6M a year, that's what I mean by doing the best with what you've got.

Just drives home how far behind we are from being a top 5 or 6 team.

How anyone one would rather have Deeney than Lukaku beats me he looks shit.

Spot on Davies should be playing from the start, instead we get the predictable Barry nearly every game, we all know he's past it according to Pad even Koeman knows it, so to constantly pick him over Davies is in my book incompetent management.If Davies is better he's old enough, that's why I got know time for Koeman, we could do better than we are with the players he has at his disposal if he had a clue about what he was doing, and that's not saying we could be pushing for Europe or being 6th in the league, but we should be out there looking like a football team and not eleven blokes who look like they've never met before, a bad tradesman always blames his tools. For these reasons to me he is a poor manager good managers wouldn't constantly pick players that weren't good enough when he clearly has other options.

That really does surprise me I was miles out, but when you think about it another 11-12 points with half the season to go is more than doable, but the odds for us finishing 6th are shocking would have thought they'd have been 20-30 times better than there offering.

I know its hard to get your head around, a bookie would probably give odds out that would reflect, that you have more of a chance of going down than finishing 6th even though your 7th.Based on current form.

Don't tempt me, I'd like to see Eddie Howe here.

Great news for us Van sent off

I know that this may sound strange, but it's yes to the points even if we end up with 4 or 5 I'd be happy with the points, not so long ago I genuinely thought we were going to be dragged into a relegation fight, but what I'm not happy with is bar the Arsenal game, the manner in which we are achieving some of the points we are spunking a lot of these draws playing some grim football, and that's not the Everton I want to see.

Your right that has got a lot to do with it, but can you imagine what a predicament we would be in if we didn't get those points from our first five games, and we average what we've achieved points wise in all the other games, as Fraser would say we're all be doomed.

But can you honestly say you haven't at some time or another considered it.

Not a problem Pad consider me fucked.

Sorry if it looked like I was praising Martinez, but I was trying to use last season as a comparison on how I see our football in terms of what we looked like then to now, last season I was frustrated we'd go 2-0 up and lose 3-2 but I never had the feeling I have now of team that look like they haven't got a clue how to win a game or string 3 or 4 good passages of play together, we are playing some of the poorer teams in the league and they look better, never felt that last season.

I totally agree Martinez team was woeful when it came to defending,I saw it for myself and it was his downfall, and that isn't just taking swipe at the back 4 the whole team bare a responsibility for defending which Martinez couldn't grasp.Then Koeman arrives and we're flying he has sorted the defence out everything is looking good, then the wheels come off in a massive way and the defence is all over the place again where leaking goals early in games, we don't look like we can put to passes together, and the manager seems unable to work out what's happened in the last 12 game's and that worries the shit out of me, and scares me even more when you hear some supporters say they think we are playing well, now I except that that is there opinion and they have the right to express their opinions, but I have the right to dismiss their opinions just as much as they have the right to dismiss mine, and believe that my believes are right just as everyone believes that theirs are. So Makis on that note I hope I haven't upset you to much by not agreeing to all you said and hopefully you won't come back swearing like a 10 year-old in the playground, but if you do mate feel free I won't get offended its water off a ducks back.

So it's not condescending that you can tell everyone that said we were terrible that they need to wake up and smell the coffee, you started the mud slinging got some back and through your dummy out the pram.And 30 years a supporter doesn't make you right.

I personally think people are more disillusioned about the way we are playing than the results, last season we played better football when in possession of the ball, but let ourselves down defensively so that needed working on, and early on it looked like he had cracked it but last 10-12 games have been on a par with last season, and I don't find having to come back from a goal down to salvage a point from teams we'd like to think we are better than a positive, to me it's a negative that we keep finding ourselves in that position, unless the the reality is we aren't better than Hulls of this league which is looking more like the case, and if so that's down to Koeman, because I can assure you we never looked like the worst team in the league last season.

How is saying we played well showing understanding when we played terribly, that's just wallpaper over the cracks, or head buried in the sand mentality.

1982 perhaps you could enlighten me as to what positives he has brought to this club in the time and money he has spent here.

He's had one window and six months in the job so you would expect to see some improvement no matter how small, but the truth is that we are far worse than we were last season.We go on to pitch at the moment and you would be forgiven for thinking that the players had all just met 20 minutes ago. There are no basics in the way we are set up the way the players work as a team, it is a total shambles every game it's a different line up or a different formation, he just hasn't got a clue. Last season with the same players who you ridicule now as being shite and the only reason we are in the position we are at the moment, those same players last season could play football, they could retain the ball play it round could find each other had good movement on and off the ball, we've have none of that now Koeman has taken any ability they had out of them through bad management. Your right we are shit but the shit you see out there now is the shit he has created. To be honest you could go on forever about what he hasn't done or hasn't got the ability to do, since his one window and six months in charge here, there's so much shit its endless. But and I'm being objective here you struggle to find any positives he has brought to the team, bar Gana, but even he has really struggled in the past few weeks as the team gets worse with every game we play, racking my brain here but I genuinely can't think of anything else positive he has done for this club.