Palfy

4 minutes ago, Gwlad said:

Given the performances of some in the squad, isn't taking a chance with youngsters worth a punt? Maybe they will want to play for the shirt in the hour of need. I really don't know.

Nothing should be dismissed in our quest for a change of performance, even the manager

27 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

 

Palf drawing a line from what I said to delusion

Why did you say what you said if you now believe that they don’t have a chance?

1 minute ago, patto said:

Did you watch Danjuma for the 21s he didn’t look anywhere near ready or he just didn’t do anything 

No I didn’t to be honest, but I’ve seen enough of McNeil to know he needs dropping. 

1 minute ago, Formby said:

I think a bit less, probably. A couple of wins should do it. Luton aren't getting three wins from four.

A win tomorrow and things start to look a lot better.

You are probably right maybe 1 win and a draw will do it, I don’t see Burnley finishing higher as 18th even though dunlopp thinks they are a threat to us. 

2 hours ago, patto said:

Surely we go with 2 wingers Danjuma on the bench for me McNeil is capable of scoring Danjuma has done nothing for nearly 2 years. 

Danjuma does play on the left wing, he’s shown he’s more of threat than McNeil he actually wants to take people on. 
McNeil is constantly drifting into the midfield, he doesn’t attack players anymore, he constantly plays backwards or sideways at best, and leaves Mycho trying to cover 2 men. 
We need to change the story as dopey bollocks keeps saying so let’s play player’s who want to try and make difference and actually take the game to the opposition. 

I wouldn’t pick McNeil now Danjuma is fit he would definitely start for me over McNeil who has been piss poor for months. 

I said last week Luton were done, the fight as gone from the players and the manager, I saw it last week in their demeanour and faces and it’s still here this week. 
All we need to do is win 2 and draw 1 and we stay up, Luton are definitely down with Sheffield and Burnley. 

5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

That way they can make sure we get relegated. 

19 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Yeah, I mean, he's come out with some bizarre stuff recently.

He was doing a job most of us could get behind. Things were looking good. But 15 games is a long fuckin time!

But not so if you are the messiah. 

25 minutes ago, StevO said:

Because Dele’s contract with Everton is up, that doesn’t mean Everton’s contract with Spurs is up. The deal will be water tight. 

Does anyone know what’s written in the contract, if they have made a provision in case he never played 20 games over 3 years then fair enough, but I find it difficult to believe that anyone would have considered that that would ever materialise, he came to us as a nailed on first teamer who wouldn’t struggle to get into a team well below his perceived standards. Unless of course Spurs new they were selling a player that wasn’t going to make the grade. 

7 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

I think what Dyche needs to remember is '15 games ago...' is half a season! Almost half a season without a win is going to test the most hardened fans!

Anyways, must win!

Unfortunately, I expect Young to feature. And Doucs. Probs Godffrey at RB.

I don't care...just get as many wins as possible over the next 6 games!

He also needs a reality check I’ve never read or heard anyone call him the messiah. 

3 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Would you rather a manager say "yeah the lad can fuck off, never gonna play for me ever again"?

Yes I would rather the truth, I think the smack around the head and the fact that Godfrey kept him out of the team for weeks when we hadn’t won a league game for 3 months, is more than enough to tell me what he really thinks of Patterson, so now he knows he can’t play for the rest of the season he gives him praise, but never mentioned him when he wasn’t injured. 
Absolute bollocks. 

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

dyche said it was a pity he got injured cos he was coming into form in training........ amongst other bits of nonsense this was his biggest lie.

 

 

Very strange sounds like he’s trying to blow smoke up Pattersons arse in an attempt to build bridges.  

53 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

Fingers crossed it works out that way

5 hours ago, Matt said:

I'd put it on Levy rather than the club, but yeah I agree. I still see how they can legally ask for compensation for an expired contract though.

I agree if and when he’s out of contract Spurs will have no say on where he can and can’t go and at what costs. 

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

All good mate. Like I said, but maybe not clearly enough; I can't defend him anymore. I still believe the players are the biggest problem. After all, this run hasn't improved even with the enforced changes mixing the teams up a bit. But when you've got 16 seniors to chose from seriously (before injuries, suspensions and AFCON) mixing things up isn't really an option and the whole style (or completely lack thereof) is to avoid exposing the weakness of our players, like basic passing, basic shooting, basic tracking and running. They do it in the training videos, so how does Dyche transfer that concentration over the line? I don't think he can with everything taken into consideration and so he should go if we have a decent candidate. Hafs shout about Baines is a good call if we want to survive on blood and thunder. I wonder if we could tempt Carsley when thinking outside the media... But again, circumstances prevent us swapping staff.

I like the Carsley shout

6 hours ago, Formby said:

Sorry, Boston.

Anyway, my prediction: Bayern Madrid 2 - 1 Everton

I think we would win that game 2-1 

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I had hoped the  and the explicit mentioning that it wasnt aimed at you, but oh well, back to the drawing board

 

Yeah I forgot that bit apologies Matt wasn’t meant to look like I was calling you out, more to show I’ve been consistent in my opinions of Dyche even if some haven’t, or as yourself you have a different opinion which you make a good argument for. 
But isn’t it good to have different views yet not fallout over them, it’s like we’re big boys now, see you at play time

2 hours ago, Matt said:

This is a general reply Palfy, just your post as a reference. Not targeting anyone here.

I'm pretty sure he knows their strengths and weaknesses. Whether he knows how to get the best balance is another thing and that was hit and miss for a while. I'm not going to say he hasn't become part of the problem, he has (although I didn't see anyone celebrating the triple substitution at half time ). But there are several elements that people either don't ask themselves about or expect miracles.

Look at the squad he inherited.

1) Their mental state is the main reason the players are shit. 7 of the senior squad have been through FSW, SA, Koeman and all the shit of the last 3 seasons, so it's little wonder they've got 0 self belief. I know the argument will be "but that's what they're paid to do" or some other similar statement. They are human beings, elite athletes, vs the general population at least, and 

2) Look at the squad depth. He has had very, very little opportunity to change things up because the squad is so damn thin. I hear the "well play the kids then", but you have to ask yourself, if they were ready, they would've been playing already under other managers or snapped up. 

3) the league is actively trying to destroy the club. No tin hat here, it's all on display. 

He is a part of a much bigger problem and problem has been caused by constant changes in managers, structures, styles, etc.

I've got a project at the moment and it was going swimmingly until the resource got pulled. Now it's scraping along and it's become toxic because its not supported well enough. As the Project Manager you could argue that I should make do with what I've got to hand and make it work, that's my role after all. But when no one has money to support it, it doesn't improve. So until there's a cash injection, I'm operating it on survival mode and have had to sacrifice a lot of the basic functionality and principles because people are getting upset that it's not working. I'm talking about a fuckin IT tool, I can't begin to imagine for a football club. Well, I can, and that's the only reason I continue to back him even though things are not good enough.

 

I didn’t celebrate the triple substitutions at half time, if you read the match posts you will see I wanted it changed at 2-0 to give us a chance at possibly getting back into the game, but I said he will wait till it’s 3-0 when we will have no chance of getting that back, but no he didn’t budge then he waited till it was 4-0 and half time before trying to change that was lost at 3-0, so no Matt I don’t celebrate his changes at half time, I condemn him for letting it get to 4-0 before making a change. 
Can’t you see that’s the actions of manager who can’t manage the team or the game, he’s not changing the story as his favourite sound bite is every week, he’s not capable of changing the story for the better, but he’s doing a stellar job at making it worse. 
I know it’s all about opinions Matt and I respect yours, some of the things you have mentioned can’t be ignored or denied and of course they have effected the team over time, but he’s not for me mate he’s making basic mistakes when it comes to team selection and tactics which is making a poor situation so much worse. 

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

I know like many fans I have said "you bust a gut for the shirt and the fans even if you hate the manager"

looking at it properly - if you are miserable in your job then that's a considerable amount of time that you feel like crap regardless of how much you are getting paid. You are gonna be unmotivated, lack confidence, doing your role with fear.

thats what I see in our players, its the reason why you get new manager bounces. 

when Burnley sacked Dyche many of us were delighted cos we thought he was the only reason they were in the league.  The reality was far different, their fans were made up, the players responded to a man with no managerial experience and they nearly survived.  

When dyche was sacked they were 4 points off safety on 24 points with 8 to play - 0.8 ppg.  Jackson won manager of the month and returned 1.4 ppg. 

i'm not saying Mike Jackson is a great manager - what I'm saying is that a bloke who got sacked from Tranmere got more from their players than Dyche. 

Exactly manager’s are paid to coach and make plays better than the have been it’s a big part of the job criteria, Dyche has gone backwards not forwards, he doesn’t understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players and doesn’t except his own frailties. 
We got the players they are definitely not the best the league but are far from the worst, they are disheartened and disinterested with what the manager is saying and doing, it doesn’t take a genius to see that they’ve had enough of the tactics and crap spoken from him, someone at the club needs to get him out so we can move forward. 

I look at our remaining games and with probably misplaced expectations / optimism I believe we will stay up, but then I think about Dyche who’s he going to pick, what’s he going to do tactically, and how are the players going to respond to those tactics and it fills me with fear. 
We have players that are equally as good or not better on paper than quite a few teams in the league, but we play the ugliest style of football in the league it’s shockingly embarrassing to watch and for a majority of our players must be soul destroying to play week in week out, yet the one thing that sets us apart from these other teams and there is no doubt that we unequivocally have the worst manager in the league. 
For those of you who live in and around the city you won’t hear what other fans think of our football you will only hear the shite from the shite fan’s and the wtf going on between the Evertonian’s, you need to try living and working where I am and listen on a daily basis to what supporters who know you are an Everton fan have to say, yes there is plenty of sympathy from the wider footballing community, Everton are a very much respected club with supporters around the country. 
But what these fans rival supporters say about our manager and our style of football is heart wrenching to hear and there’s no argument you can have with them because they are fucking right, and it’s basically we are shit because our manager is shit. 
Yet there are so many Evertonian’s who sucked in by Dyche and his 18 months of talking a good job, because they are cocooned in this small environment of Liverpool and don’t hear what the rest of the country and their fans think of us, the useless fucker is getting away with turning us week by week into the worst team in the league and the worst team I can remember in my 57 years of supporting this club, and this story he relentlessly goes on about every week that we need to change and he needs to change, will only change when the worst manager ever to set foot in this club is shown the door, and only then can we start along the long road to building a better future on the pitch. 

7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

It's not acceptance of average at all, it's realising that reality is reality. And the reality is for us that we're pretty shit and that it's going to take a long time to improve to the extent that we challenge for anything remotely looking like success.

We're nowhere near chasing success currently but what I want us to chase is progress. That means finishing at least one place further up the league every season, possibly getting through to a further round in each cup (possibly because knock-out competitions are hard thing to get through).

What it doesn't mean is getting irate because the team isn't challenging for titles/cups all because we won a league in 1987. Times change. You have to realise where you currently are and where you want to get to. But it takes time and you need to have a bit of perspective.

Now, that does not mean that I don't want to get back to what we once were. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means a hell of a lot to me, I have it tattooed on my skin. Nothing but the best is good enough is a fantastic motto to follow and we absolutely should live by it, but 'the best' doesn't really mean actually being the best of all. It means being the best you can be and the best we can be is not the best of all.

We need to learn to walk again before we can run.

4 hours ago, Gwlad said:

Patience will be a virtue but until all the uncertainty that hangs over the club is settled once and for all disaffection inevitably creeps in. This second half of this season is far worse than the previous two when there was a real sense of togetherness between the team and fans. I don't feel that so much now especially when it's clear that too many players aren't putting in a shift.

I accept all that you both have said, but what I can’t accept is the brand of football the players are being asked to play, whether they work hard or not it doesn’t disguise the fact that we are playing football using the tactics of a team from the amateur leagues. 
We can all get nostalgic about Everton the badge the motto and what the team means to us, that’s deep rooted in our hearts soul and psyche and a given, yet one of most deep rooted traditions is how we like to see our teams trying to play football and that hasn’t been mentioned. 
Have you considered that the fans are struggling to get behind the team because they are struggling with what’s being put in front of them, because I am I will be honest as much as I’m trying to get behind the team what I’m seeing in the way tactics and team selection is making it very hard. 
The club I have loved and supported for 57 years is being destroyed by a shite owner and imo a manager who is completely inept.  

2 hours ago, Matt said:

There was one for kids until recently wasn't there? Think Mark used to post the results back in the day. Or I'm actually losing my mind

No you’re not losing your mind you’ve just had far too much beer and not enough milk in the past and it’s effected your memory. 
You could have been playing for Accrington Stanley

17 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

If any of you lot are religious please pray for him to be fit on Sunday.

I’ve given up on religion as a reliable way of getting what you want, I’ve been praying for weeks now that Dyche gets sacked. 

7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

If they get in then be prepared to be milked for everything you have, mate.

It'll be the fans that pay for their takeover, not them.

I agree their not giving up on buying us because there hardened Everton fans it because they can see a quick buck in it for themselves. 
But what concerns me is where are all these others who are interested in buying the club surely by now with 777 struggling to raise the money they would be throwing their hats in the ring, for me it seems like it’s 777 or bust.