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He’s always gone done easily and with exaggeration from what I’ve seen. The rest I suppose you can chalk up to being out of position. He certainly doesn’t seem to have the physicality to play up top

I can’t imagine they would ever entertain this. Is Gordon even a better prospect than Gallagher?

Depends why. If we don’t think we can find a replacement this window it could be 100m and it wouldn’t matter. Plus, if he has a good season those bids won’t go away.

English premium and the attraction of potential. At this point Richarlison is what he is. Easy to fall in love with the idea of what Gordon might be in a few years. If they pay 50m for Gordon it’s a crazy price.

Also if anyone is coming in for your player you’re never going to say “Yea, he’s just Ok. Wouldn’t be bothered to let him go” I’m sure he genuinely likes the potential of Gordon but that potential has a price. We could get some good players who are better right now with, say, 50m

Richie could hold the ball. Other top wingers can as well. He lacks that physicality. He can certainly turn an opponent and get in good positions. It just typically goes poorly at that point. He’s not a good crosser at this point and he doesn’t give himself a lot of clean chances. Usually he just ends up running into a defender. Of course many of those things can improve. But he is not near a 40m+ player at this point. There are lots of wingers in football who lack end product. That’s where he is. A promising player but one with lots of areas to improve. Given his history with us and his upside I think you’d need an outrageous bid to let him go. 40m+ starts to get into that territory.

Chelsea can afford to invest in potential. They can afford to miss on a 40m transfer. Gordon is quite a ways from being worth that, even with the English premium. Lot of potential but his finishing and crossing are quite poor, he’s not a player that can really hold the ball up well as we saw so far this season etc.. He might one day be worth that or more but that is a very fair price, more than fair.

Management is also about doing what’s best for the team in the long run. 2 games does not a season make.

Iwobi by a mile today. With Doucoure seemingly banged up I will be disappointed if it’s not him and Onana next time out. I thought Patterson was solid given how inexperienced he still is. Bit overzealous sometimes and gets caught out because of it but that’ll come with time. Some good quality going forward from him.

Fair enough point on Forest but there are other examples where it’s easy enough to say that making too many changes is a detriment to a club’s season. I’m not saying that transfers don’t help. Of course they can. They just aren’t inherently a positive. I can think of a couple dozen additions over the last few years that made Everton worse in the long run and so can you. There is this idea (mostly from supporters I’ll grant you) that transfer = progress. That isn’t always the case. Regarding City etc.. I’ll repeat my earlier point. If bringing in transfers inherently made your squad better then every year the level of football would rise. It doesn’t. Sometimes it helps a team, sometimes it hurts a team. All I’m saying is I don’t think if a team brings in 6 transfers they will definitely improve over a team that only feels the need to bring in 2. The object is to get better and that means different things for different clubs. I don’t think Simms makes the case you believe it does. He’s not playing for us right now because he’s not been deemed ready. His development towards being a premier league player IS an example of not having to always do it with additions. Maybe he gets there maybe he doesn’t but we aren’t just dropping him as an Everton player because he’s not there yet. A better example is Gordon. We are choosing to develop a young talent rather than just bring in someone for the position. Whether it works out or not it makes the point that you don’t have to just buy to get better. You can develop players you have like Gordon, or find a better position for someone like Iwobi, or just have players reaching their prime like Pickford. All of that can improve us and none of it has to do with a transfer. You hear it every window from people that if we aren’t signing players we are “falling behind”. It isn’t necessarily true. For several previous years Liverpool spent far less on transfers than Everton. They didn’t fall behind because they had already found those they needed, developed them and maintained a lot of stability that improved their squad. This season we did absolutely need a bit of an overhaul so lots of additions made sense. Some years that is the case. Other years (hopefully next summer) we will need far less.

My point is simply that transfers for the sake of transfers mean nothing. You hear complaints from people every year about other clubs making moves. If bringing in players inherently made teams better than teams would get better every year. Obviously they don’t. As someone from the States it is interesting to me. Football has an obsession with bringing in lots of new players every season. It’s seen as a sign of progress. It’s not true to nearly the same degree in American sports. Of course you improve if you can but it’s at least as much about development and keeping your core together. I think too often we believe the only way forward is additions. Developing young talent and having more experience with your core playing together are other ways to improve. I’ll be curious how a club like Forest does this year with so many new players.

Older post but I still say bringing in players doesn’t inherently make you better. Many teams bring in players and get worse. Also, if new transfers improved you as a rule then every year you’d see clubs playing at levels never seen before. It is true clubs are always trying to improve with transfers and address needs but sometimes just developing the players you have, getting healthier etc.. is just as valuable. There is advantage in stability.

This is a bit different. This is premier league captains who still have something to give. I don’t think anyone can question we were well organized at the back vs. Chelsea with Tarkowski back there. Fair point that leadership for its own sake isn’t worth a ton but we seem to be going after guys with that character who can also play.

They are both professionals. Captains. I expect there to not be an issue in working that out.

Nice to see us with a lot of irons in the fire as we try to find the best fit for us.

Agreed. Every comment I’ve seen on him references his maturity and it’s obvious in interviews. I’m hopeful he can learn quickly but this is the best league in the world. We are a notoriously fickle and impatient fanbase so I hope that if he starts slowly we keep in mind his age and that we are buying him for the player he will be at 23,24 etc..

I mentioned it a little while ago on here but what did it for me was the game after his big mistake. Fans stayed with him and he responded well. Seems like he’s matured to the point where his confidence isn’t going to nosedive at the first sign of trouble.

Makes sense financially and otherwise. With so much business done this window you can see us not needing to do that much over the next couple. If this guy isn’t it then we cut bait without much damage and can focus our funds on our attack. it’s going to be a real important season for Gray, Gordon, DCL. Perhaps McNeil as well. They need to establish themselves as first choice or else they are going to end up being rotational players.

To be fair you could be both miserable and honest. I don’t think we should put a number of games on what we have. Still just 20. Could hit the ground running or could take several years to really show what he has. We need to remember Iwobi and be patient as supporters.

Does anyone know the specific disagreement?

Perhaps not but when he was regularly only get 10 or 20 minutes at the end of a match it’s still better to judge per 90. He may simply not be good enough to start for them as you suggest.

Yea I don’t see a ton of quality based on this either. Lot of those are just sort of scuttling them over the line. I trust management based on the players they’ve brought in so if they think he’s best for the club right now then full support.

Then fingers crossed this guy is a recovering drunk?

Thanks. It’s odd though given that he’s scored 26 goals in something like 41 games of time over the last couple of seasons. That they have multiple strikers they prefer over a player with that sort of return is a bit unusual.

I believe you are limited to two Loans from English clubs so we’d have the room.