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Pienaar didnt look too clever in his last outing. I'd much rather Carsley. However I agree about Jags, would rather have him in the team than Neville. But with Neville being the captain I cant see that happening too soon. STILL, we cant go complaining one season about having no depth to the squad and now complain that the players weve bought arent all playing.

We seem to be strong in all positions now that it looks like we'll get YAKUBU (FINALLY). Have to say its our strongest team since, dare I say the 80's. Or am I being a bit too optimistic there?

Should be succesful at EFC. (well, couldnt be any worse than Beattie, god bless him). Yakubu is more of a "proper" centre forward (more so than AJ). Yakubu and AJ would be a good partnership. I'd be surprised if Yakubu doesnt end up being our top goal scorer this season (should we agree terms and get him to sign). I know I'm getting ahead of myself a bit but it is good news.

http://www.sportinglife.com Not much details though except we need to agree personal terms.

Firstly let me say rightout that I DONT KNOW. But I have heard he was promised first team football but it seems he is more than likely going to be used from the bench and he's unhappy (perhaps there was a clause in his contract). If this is the case seems like unprofessional behaviour. If he was at Everton he would not be in the first eleven every week. Especially now that Boro have agreed a fee with EFC regarding YAKUBU.

The round design is just an IDEA of what Bestway had in mind. APPARENTLY the "initial site plan from HOK Sport was for a standard four-sided ground located within the Loop site with pedestrian access encircling the stadium allowing supporters to circulate around the outside". The initial study was for 48,000 capacity but concluded that 55,000 was possible. (So I hear).

Favorite scottish team? Dont have one BUT if push came to shove then BERWICK RANGERS but thats only coz they are in England.

Strange about Valente, he looks ordinary but you have to think he must be decent to get in the Portugal side. Vic had a couple of good touches but still gets knackered too quick. Probably more useful when used as a sub (which is what will happen if this Yakubu thing happens).

Well, that would explain why EFC seem desperate for the Kirkby vote to be "YES". For the record, I'm not sure whats best. I'm all for Kirkby but if this loop site is viable then that would be great (ive got a feeling its too small & expensive though).

Reading worked hard today, never gave us much time on the ball. But we Shouldve got a draw out of the game, still plenty of teams will go there and lose this season. Our squad looks strong this season, I am more confident of a decent season this time around than I have been for a while (but I am possibly setting myself up for mega-disappointment there), Time will tell. McFadden looks up for it. Was deffo more of a threat than Vic (although he did OK himself).

Yeah, I thought there was a second one BUT I was still correct as I said "we got our first yellow card today" (Lescott) just so happens that it was followed by a second.

Not a good overall performance. Arteta was poor by his standards. BUT McFadden showed enough to earn a start next game. Pienaar showed he needs to improve a hell of a lot if he wants to get in the side. I know its early days but if thats all he has to offer he wont see much action and will be going back to Germany. That Bikey bloke for Reading had a great game, had the measure of AJ. Oh, and we got our first Yellow card of the season (Lescott) which seemed a bit harsh to me.

I bet youre expecting me to have a moan BUT I think its worth metioning that the REFS have actually been impressine for our 2 games so far, especially Mark Clattenburg v Wigan. AND We are yet to be given any Yellow cards which I find quite amazing. Anyway I just thought I'd mention the refs while theyve been good coz we all know it wont last.

My comment of "Spurs away I would expect some long balls" suggests that I am not totally against the long ball tactic. Ofcourse they have a place and are a good tactic v some teams or in the last 5 or so minutes when chasing the game. My problem was that we used it too much at Home v Wigan, and I cant understand why that was overlooked yet v Spurs people are complaining about our long ball tactic.

After the Wigan game a post of mine questioned "why we played the long ball so much" and that we should keep it on the floor Etc. What did I get in response? "we won be happy" "the long ball game is a good tactic" "Wigan are no pushovers" "Its one of Moyes' tactics" Etc Etc. Now I find a thread about "long balls being a waste" AND many replies supporting this theory, I despair! My point a few days ago was that we were playing WIGAN at home, and shouldnt need to resort to long balls. Spurs away I would expect some long balls. I fail to understand why some would defend long balls at home to Wigan and have a go at the long ball tactic Away at Spurs. The mind boggles!!

Perhaps it will be healthy competition. Its not like its directly next door or opposite. its a short hike.

Correct me if I'm wrong but our 2nd goal was from an AJ cross (albeit not from a wing position). But perhaps therein lies your answer. My question would be why does he "dilly dally" in the box? in the 2nd half the ball came to him on the edge of the 18 yard box, he had a bit of time but it seemed he didnt know what to do and the chance was lost, schoolboy stuff. I like AJ but more for his running and work ethic, I would have him in the team any day but I dont think he's that fantastic a centre forward. (certainly not as great as many blues make him out to be). We deffo need someone else coming in to the club to be our main forward (especially now that Vaughan is injured and Victor let everyone know he is a lazy git). Perhaps I'm being a bit too critical of AJ coz I used to play in the centre forward position (well, preferred there but wasnt always picked for that pozzi). I hope he proves me wrong but I cant see him scoring too many goals, especially if EFC persist with this long ball thing.

FOR ME Phil Neville just isnt good enough for us. Osman, while not fantastic will be used more as a bit part player as the season progresses and I think will prove useful in the end. Arteta and Lescott were our best v Wigan. Not a convincing win though. WHY do we hoof it long so much. Keep it on the ground for gods sake. We look good when we do that and we were playing WIGAN, so I ask again WHY hoof it high and long? We should run rings around that rabble. Happy with the win but if we play like that v Spurs we wont be taking 3 points.

I was once pro-Kirkby now I'm really hoping its a "NO" because I like the sound of the loop site. It simply makes sense for us to move there. Now I know exactly what a "swinging voter" is.

So Grosvenor would much prefer 30,000 plus fans (possibly 50,000) every fortnight to bypass the city and go to Kirkby?? Surely retail would relish having those potential customers.

Arent Bestway offering a similar deal to Tesco?? If we are serious about the future (long term) then we have to try and get the Tunnel site. the prime location lends itself very nicely to revenue via advertising space and that would keep us financially healthy, well, forever really.

For me probably v the red shite at Anfield 1991. Was in London at the time and made the trip up expecting a win. We were never in the game and got thumped 3-1. That was the first time I'd been to Anfield and have to say Goodison is way more impressive. Apart from that, Wolves at Goodison in 1981 (or was it '82). Think they were already relegated & we could only draw 1-1. That was my first Bullens Rd experience and at the tender age of 12 I much preferred the Upper Gwladys St Stand. OK not really depressing I suppose but certainly disappointing (if only on a personal level). AS for other games SURELY the most depressing one of all would be Oxford, 1986. (ooh, actually the 1977 FA CUP semi final would come pretty close).

I'm not against Kirkby but I think the best thing to do is VOTE NO, then after we look at the Bestway deal weigh it up against Kirkby. If the Bestway deal is just all talk and a No Go-er then lets go to Kirkby, until we know of this, VOTE NO.

Cheers for the info. Your statement of "the major aim of a no vote is to open the discussion before a final decision is made and then we will move to the most achievable site with the best budget which could still turn out to be Kirkby". Totally makes sense. If that message can be put across to the current "YES" people, then I'm certain a NO vote would be recorded.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW what will happen if we vote YES. Will it mean we dont look into any other proposals? AND if we vote NO. Will Kirkby be dead forever or could it be revived if it turns out that the other options turn out to be unaffordable or whatever. This vote should be postponed. I was previously edging towards being pro-kirkby. Now I just dont know. The bestway deal sounds better by the day. Just need some figures to back it up. This sounds like it could be the way forward. I think we should do away with any idea of redeveloping Goodison, its just not going to happen, best to concentrate all your efforts on this bestway/loop site. Goodnight!