RuffRob

Argument is about when you can put things through the accounts and thus spend against them. This is want FFP etc is about - meeting accounting rules. There is notable difference in loan and transfer. Financially, it would be far far more beneficial for us to have transfer Kean today for £38M than it has been to loan him for two years and then get a fee for two seasons and then sell him in two years time. It would have made a significant difference to this years accounts. Which are the crux of our problem at the moment. Maybe the difference in potentially being able to purchase a £30M player over a £10M player this window. On our balance sheet will still hold Kean as our player and is thus still a financial liability over the next two seasons (the spreading of transfer fee payments you talk about - they have not gone away), even though a loan fee will cover most this liability.

we have got no fucking money to spend this financial cycle and selling Kean in two years time doesn't change that. His loan fee is all that can be counted towards this year finances - However, his initial transfer fee will be amortisised on our books already - so he has a cost to us this season less his loan fee. We are making fuck all yet. we can't yet go out and buy another £30M player, as we will not be able to balance the accounts as needed THIS financial cycle. we will be ahead of the game come 23/24, but not today. we can plan for future spending, but this only has minimal impact on current spending.

We are currently sailing very close to the wind the Premier Leagues remit of 'sustainability and profitability'. Due to the pandemic a bit of averaging is going to be allowed over two season to get within the remit (on top of a COVID loss adjustment that will be afforded to all teams). Given our horrendous loss in the last lot of account, the next set HAVE to bring the two year average down - or we could get penalised (what we don't know as nobody has broken these rules yet - but we are very close). The £28M transfer fee payable in two years time does diddle squat to this seasons accounts - which are key.

you are getting two things mixed up. I know all about spreading payment and amortisation. This will all start in a couple of years time when we start to get the transfer fee. We can't spend this agreed transfer fee now, (or put in the accounts as cash), not more that we can put our season 23/24 TV money or gates recipes through this years books. We know it's is coming - but we can't put it through this seasons account can we? it Has to wait to the 23/24 accounts. On the accounts Moise kean is STILL an Everton player, and are currently only loaning to Juventus. We now have a loan fee for this years accounts. This years loan fee of 3M euros is all that can be put in this seasons accounts. Why do you think this is a two year loan rather than juve just spreading a 38M Euro fee over 5 year contract? Not a penny of the 28M can help us out with this problem season finances wise, only the 3M euro loan fee.

he's definitely on the Arsenal naughty step today.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marcel-brands-just-secured-one-21441168 sums it up quite well.

yes, he is definitely a very good 'option' in say home games against weaker team like Norwich. However, so called world class players costing £10M a year in wages have to offer more than options in games that we should actually still win without him. If we are paying one player world class £10M a year in wages, he needs to be that player who will nick you points against the Top 4 team. James just isn't that player, and is why other clubs are not stampeding to take him off our hands.

just like shares - players values can go down as well as up!! so a bit of a risk either way. He doesn't want to be here, no other/better offers, in 12months time he will then be going in to the final year of his contract. I think given the 'Kean' attitude, then one in the hand is worth two in the bush in his case. he might do wonders in Italy, but not sure he would do the same in England.

sounds like Rondon will be the most likely addition today. I am guessing he will be more use than Josh King was- who he would be essentially replacing from the squad we had at the end of last seasn.

only if we get players on loan and then say we will buy then with a proper transfer fee in two years time. So need the selling club to agree to this - and most will not. i.e we could loan players, but not buy them. Why do you think Juventus are paying this way and not just buying him today? Juve don't have to put the 28M euros through their books as an expenditure for two year. Thus we can't put this income on to our books for two year. So as we don't have this money, we can't spend it - other than in a near identical way - most club want/need the money now not in two years time!!! We have had to accept this as its likely the best offer or only offer we have had on Moise Kean this summer.

Fuck me, strange transfer this - two years loan with an obligation to buy after the two years. Obviously Juventus (much the same as most continental teams) are as financially shackled as we are this season - just can't spend. There are very few teams who have open cheque books this summer. It not going to help our immediate finances this transfer window as much as we would like, as we will not be able to report the main fee through the books for a couple of years. With loan fees we will have had, in the end we will have made a modest profit on a transfer than from our own point of view turned out a bit of a failure. Only problem is we kind of still have around £25M tied up that we can't spend on incoming players!!! In a way, the loan fees are like interest payments for us effectively borrowing Juventus £25M for the next two years. What it does demonstate to the powers that be is we are doing our best to get our house in order financially.

You are talking such rubbish here and just looking at half facts as usual. James was shipped out for free when he was in contract (will be twice if we do it). Messi was free as he his contract run out and Barca fucked up big time. Different types of free. Trying to make the arguement that some time ago James sold for £40m and then £70m but Messi move for a free, must thus somehow mean James is better (or simiar level) that Messi is what you might hear in a primary school playground. James not worthy of being mentioned in the same paragraph as Messi or other truly world best players. And the reason his manager didn't like him!! It was becasue he Just didn't bring enough of a rounded game to the table. His 'pluses' where not good enough to out weigh the 'negatives'. James has been shipped from pillar to post over the past few seasons for free (even though he is in contract) and I am also guessing for ever decreasing wage packets. He is not the world class player you make him out to be, and the footballing world appear to be of a similar opinion. I am not saying he is shit or usless or anything like that. He is just a luxury player that some managers are just happy to do without - and I get it. I would love to see his moments of genius in Everton shirt, but not at overall detrement to the progression of the team under Benitez over the next few seasons.

He's not one of the best footballers in the world. one of the most hyped footballers maybe. He does what HE does - and does it very well indeed. He is the definitive luxury player, and needs other players to cover his deficiencies. He does not provide enough on a consistent basis to warrant that level of protection or cover - hence not one of the best footballers in the world. If he goes tomorrow, it will be for free!!!, just like we took him for free.

He is one of the few who have come for big money (too much some originally said) and actually lived up to the fee. He is a lad who works hard and plays with passion. He is definitely not perfect, but his passion and hard work have maybe elevated him above what is his footballing 'skillset', which could net us a very decent fee - so kudos to him for his effort.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/salomon-rondon-newcastle-tactical-analysis-statistics Sound like he could be a bit of an underated player. Think he will be decent enough back up and a reasonable price. Our bench looked so weak at the weekend. I think we all know the order of the day is penny pinching this summer, so maybe as good as we can expect this window. He is at least somebody who will lnow what will be wantwd under Benitez and fit straight in to the style of play.

that bench is scarily weak! Brighton are on decent bit of form, so if we grab a point today - I will be quite happy.

Better than no RB cover coming in this window, and versitile - so less likey to see Delph on the pitch!! As a few have said, our recent experience of Arsenal cast offs doesn't fill me me with confidence. With money being a bit tight, loans might be the order of the day, until we make a big sale.

Not sure Harland would want to go to PSG this summer. He will have the pick of any club in the world next summer, when his lower (75m) release clause kicks in. Will probably be offered one of the biggest wage packets ever when he moves for this knockdown fee. Plenty of drama left in this transfer window!!

https://betweenthelines5638.wordpress.com/2020/08/18/odsonne-edouard-scout-report/ sound like a decent player, who knows where the goal is. Big step up to the Prem though. young and not to expensive.

and that's a priority for any any limited funds made available this summer? seem a bit of a coincidence that we might spend £30M on a left sided attacker, in the same few days there are rumours of strong interest in Richy. Not saying it is a good thing, just he looks like a potential quality replacement.

I understand Kean is going, but reports are that it is a loan. But in any case, if there is £30m to now spend, give me one good reason why it would be used to purchase a high quality left side attacking play. I am only guessing, but maybe in the next couple of days we might have an opening in this position. I am open to other suggestions on why we would spend a big chunk of money a left sided attacker?

If Diaz is prodominately left winger, who likes to come in and shoot with his right and chips in with a fair goals himself, it would seem logical to me that he would be somebody who would step in to Richarlison's position in the starting 11. If not where does this £30m player start. £30m I didnt think we had?

I have a horrible feeling he will go, ahead - if the money is right. If it hinges on the Mbbepe sale, then PSG should be flush and able to spend. I think we all knew it would be inevitable. The sad truth is that a big sale is due and needed to help meet the financial rules. Like others have said, this time the money can't be wasted. There should bs plenty of decent players available on loan, if we can't find a permanent transfer in this window.

In preceeding seasons we would have been dumped out in a game like tonights. So its promising that we have progressed.

I agree. I don't think he will be a regular starter, but think he will chip in with goals, and plenty of assists. If the stat that he was the most accurate crosser of the ball in the PL last season is true, then DCL and Richy should put plenty of goals away from his crosses. We shall see, but i think he will be 'effective' as a free transfer, more so the lot of £20m+ player that have been stinking the place out for years.