RuffRob

there is no way the PL will 'sign off' on 777 Partner in their current climate, and they are not turning all this around in a fortnight (or 10days now).
PL don't have to come out and formally 'reject' them, they will just keep saying that 777 are not yet in a position to demostated that they are fit and proper to be owners.
I think the truth is that once the Everton takeover door slams shut on them - 777 Partner are in a whole heap of trouble, beyond what they are already in. This one looks like a house of cards  
 

Given what is to play for on Sunday, it wouldn't suprise me if we managed to get some sort of a result.
We go into the game with absolutely no pressure and a fully expected go get beat. 
Its a really strange game for Arsenal becasue they have to win in, but even winning it might end up meaning fuck all to them anyhow. They may already be a team feeling a bit defeated after City going ahead of them in the league in mid week.
Imagine the atmosphere in the stadium if City go a goal or two up - the Gunners will be glum as fuck and our away support will be giving them pelters.
There is a reason thay you can get 15/1 on us winning. However, if events go a certain way in Manchester, then there could be a very very deflated team playing against us after the first 30mins. 
 

Given what is to play for on Sunday, it wouldn't suprise me if we managed to get some sort of a result.
We go into the game with absolutely no pressure and a fully expected go get beat. 
Its a really strange game for Arsenal becasue they have to win in, but even winning it might end up meaning fuck all to them anyhow. They may already be a team feeling a bit defeated after City going ahead of them in the league in mid week.
Imagine the atmosphere in the stadium if City go a goal or two up - the Gunners will be glum as fuck and our away support will be giving them pelters.
There is a reason thay you can get 15/1 on us winning. However, if events go a certain way in Manchester, then there could be a very very deflated team playing against us after the first 30mins. 
 

I made this point a few weeks ago, should a club be allowed to off set lost prize money caused by PSR? Especially for the first ever case, because nobody knew was would happen. 
otherwise it just becomes a stick that keeps on beating, especially for clubs to who £10-15m is a notable amount of their revenue.
the issue for me is there will be no straight answer from the PL on this situation, so will have to be argued by lawyers again for 3 or 4 months, and then maybe appealed. 
 

Dyche is going to be here next season, so we are all going to get to see if the now infamous '14 games' was an unlucky blip or not. for me last season is going to have an asterics next to it anyhow as one that was particularly difficult and unusual one to manage. nobody really know how certain off feild situations effected both winning streaks or not winning streaks.
So as he's going to remain I will be getting fully behind him, what I would like to see next season is Goodison get the send off it deserves. We are currently on 5 home wins in a row so great foundation to go in to next season and make Goodion that horrible ground for the away teams to visit for one final year. 
He will currently have the majority of the Goodison faithful behind him, so up to Dyche to make the most of the goodwill he'll be getting to in to next season.

what somebody should really do is come up with a system where you are judged against a pre determined number of games every season.
arse, there already is a system in place. I'll have to come up with another brillient idea to get me out of the day job.

can't argue with that - scares me when talk of a near backbone potentially being sold. This year was as tough gig as a manager is going to get and next year might be as tough for different reasons. I don't see Dyche as the type who, throw is dummy out and walk away, see him as somebody who will deal with in and get on with the job.
New owners or not, I don't see Dyche being swapped out by them. If any new owners have anything about them, they will try and keep the footballing part of the club ticking over for then first half of the season at least. 
Dyches teams are based on players working their nuts off being defensively strong and keeping games tight. To me that is the better foundation in your a mid to bottom half team. 
I definately don't see it as a time to try and get 'creative' or take some risks in the management department.
 

can't argue with that - scares me when talk of a near backbone potentially being sold. This year was as tough gig as a manager is going to get and next year might be as tough for different reasons. I don't see Dyche as the type who, throw is dummy out and walk away, see him as somebody who will deal with in and get on with the job.
New owners or not, I don't see Dyche being swapped out by them. If any new owners have anything about them, they will try and keep the footballing part of the club ticking over for then first half of the season at least. 
Dyches teams are based on players working their nuts off being defensively strong and keeping games tight. To me that is the better foundation in your a mid to bottom half team. 
I definately don't see it as a time to try and get 'creative' or take some risks in the management department.
 

can't argue with that - scares me when talk of a near backbone potentially being sold. This year was as tough gig as a manager is going to get and next year might be as tough for different reasons. I don't see Dyche as the type who, throw is dummy out and walk away, see him as somebody who will deal with in and get on with the job.
New owners or not, I don't see Dyche being swapped out by them. If any new owners have anything about them, they will try and keep the footballing part of the club ticking over for then first half of the season at least. 
Dyches teams are based on players working their nuts off being defensively strong and keeping games tight. To me that is the better foundation in your a mid to bottom half team. 
I definately don't see it as a time to try and get 'creative' or take some risks in the management department.
 

I made this point a few weeks ago, should a club be allowed to off set lost prize money caused by PSR? Especially for the first ever case, because nobody knew was would happen. 
otherwise it just becomes a stick that keeps on beating, especially for clubs to who £10-15m is a notable amount of their revenue.
the issue for me is there will be no straight answer from the PL on this situation, so will have to be argued by lawyers again for 3 or 4 months, and then maybe appealed. 
 

I would hazard a guess if they haven't been able find the money needed over the past 8 month, I think they will struggle to get it in a fortnight. Especially if other aspect of their business are in financial hardships.
 

I made this point a few weeks ago, should a club be allowed to off set lost prize money caused by PSR? Especially for the first ever case, because nobody knew was would happen. 
otherwise it just becomes a stick that keeps on beating, especially for clubs to who £10-15m is a notable amount of their revenue.
the issue for me is there will be no straight answer from the PL on this situation, so will have to be argued by lawyers again for 3 or 4 months, and then maybe appealed. 
 

It never once looked a formality that Dyche was being replaced by Moyes. You’re talking absolute garbage mate and you know it.
For a start, who was going to fire Dyche?
There wasn’t even rumours about him being sacked. 
 
It’s just your current hard on that you can’t leave alone. I wouldn’t even be replying if only what you’re saying wasn’t so ridiculous. 

No. This is 100% not true. Somehow you and Haf, and only you 2 on here, seem to think you're performing some vigilante service for the rest of us numpties that look at all the spinning plates and think "this is a mess, but who else spins them better? No one? Ah, we couldnt afford anyone else? OK, well let's stick it out since we can't do anything about it".
He was never given immunity. Not once. He was however defended from initially knee jerk reactions of calling for his head and repeating the same stupid cycle we've had for 7 years. He was defended because he has had us on 2 spells of European qualificiation level football after 2 years of survival at the death and a reduced squad to work with. He was defended because the stats showed we were creating chances and that the players needed to do better. No one has ever said (seriously) that he's an actual contender to Pep, but after yeeeears of misery, we've gotten a bit giddy at some success, midtable performances (argue as much as you both want, table shows it) and safety because that's just a fuckin relief after years of high blood pressure. 
Honestly, you 2 are fun to read for the most part. "Doesn't play youth", plays youth. Examples given the reaponse is "Yeah, but that 1 guy doesn't count because he played for him before and the young defender is famous in football circles, no shit... Anyway, a kid who may well have been in the team last year too if he hadn't been shipped out on loan when Dyche wasnt even there but as soon as he's back he's integrated into the starting 11...
Don't like his football? For the most part neither do I. Not because of the tactics really, but because its effective, pragmatic football and that usually means not pretty. Is it good enough long term? Absolutely not. Is it good enough for now? Absofuckinglutely and us being skint has done us a favour else we would've been relegated after swapping another manager for, well no one other than Baines and Coleman and, as much as we love them, players turning coach might be ok for a game or 2 but not for half a season. 
Finally though, just going back to the completely OTT criticism. 95% of the forum know all this. We don't need hyperbole, we don't need misdirection. We sucked it up because that's what was needed this season. As I've said previously, next season is going to so much worse as we're going to have even less to choose from.

The best example of not being trigger-happy is Arteta at high-flying Arsenal. The best example, and worst situation, of being too trigger-happy is relegated Birmingham City. You're right that there's a clear lesson here.

me personally, first 10 games or so in the bad run not overly worried and still happy enough with Dyche as performances where generally OK. But as the run got longer - from Palace onward I was getting a bit nervouse and concerned, had other teams realised the how to beat our style, had the players run out of steam, nerves and low confidence coming in to games to much - should have beat Brigthon, West Ham etc, had Dyche lost the dressing rooms? etc etc, wasn't seeing answer or changes to rectify this, Pattersongate.
So circumstances and situation change - As generally been a Dyche advocate the cracks did appear and questions being asked where not being answered for a time, but he definately answered those question this past month. Probably was fortunate he didn't get fired, but he didn't and we have survived quite comfortably in the end. Maybe a lesson to all clubs and owners not to be too trigger happy. Maybe managers nowerdays are not afforded time when bad runs happen, not just talking Everton but at plenty of clubs. Lots of clubs end up going down even when they change manager in the final panic sacking.

Yeah pretty much, and even within those 14 games, it wasn't all poor performances, just like a lot of the games won haven't been vintage performances either.
I was asking seriouse questions myself after the home Crystal Palace and West Ham games and onward, but he also had some credit in the bank from the pre and post initial deduction run of good results and the fact he got us over the line last season. 
In the final home straight of game my option was to stick with the known of Dyche (and have my finger cross) at the helm rather than twist and just try something else in the hot seat (and also have my fingers crossed).
He still has plenty to prove that with a bit more breathing room he could develop a better team etc etc.  This run at the end of the season has simply just bought Dyche more credit to have a crack at that. He's proven he is a pair safe hands, but we all know we will ultimately soon be demanding more that just safe hands.
 

I am just giving as good as I am getting of your replies. 
"Rob you want your cake and to eat when it comes to Dyche not his fault when we go on the worst run in our history, but all done to him when we put a good defensive display in ffs  The man can do no wrong it would seem"
 
I'll argue back all day to quotes like this that are directed straight at me.   Unfortunatley, it your problem if you find any level of superiority in the responses. 
 

I am just giving as good as I am getting of your replies. 
"Rob you want your cake and to eat when it comes to Dyche not his fault when we go on the worst run in our history, but all done to him when we put a good defensive display in ffs  The man can do no wrong it would seem"
 
I'll argue back all day to quotes like this that are directed straight at me.   Unfortunatley, it your problem if you find any level of superiority in the responses. 
 

I said he's not without fault and is nowhere near perfect, not one person on this forum is making him out to be the best thing since sliced bread or the greatest manager to grace the club, but what most people are doing is giving the bloke the fair degree of the credit he deserves for what he has managed to acheive at this sorry state of a club (at this time) this season. A few managers have shown its not easy getting mid table form out of this team or club recently, so to me he has steadied the footballing ship somewhat - and good for him and good for us for doing so. 
I am not doing cartwheels when we win a game or three on the bounce, but neither am I still pawing over a 14 game winless run. Nobodies 'pretending' the 14 games run has nothing to do with him. Everything has something to do with him, from not winning in 14 games on the run and losing 4-0 to Villa and 6-0 to Chelsea through to having one of the overall best defensive records in the league, convincingly beating Liverpool and winning 48 points. The expected ups and downs and highs and low of being a bang average club (which is being generouse of where this club currently is!!) 
If you can find anywhere on this forum where anybody has made out 'the man can do no wrong' it will suprise me. What I am reading is that most people are giving him a fair assessment of what has been acheived this season as a whole.
Most people are only pushing out particulaly 'positive' comments or arguements as an antidote to the very unbalanced views that comes Dyches way from yourself and a couple of other.
 

me personally, first 10 games or so in the bad run not overly worried and still happy enough with Dyche as performances where generally OK. But as the run got longer - from Palace onward I was getting a bit nervouse and concerned, had other teams realised the how to beat our style, had the players run out of steam, nerves and low confidence coming in to games to much - should have beat Brigthon, West Ham etc, had Dyche lost the dressing rooms? etc etc, wasn't seeing answer or changes to rectify this, Pattersongate.
So circumstances and situation change - As generally been a Dyche advocate the cracks did appear and questions being asked where not being answered for a time, but he definately answered those question this past month. Probably was fortunate he didn't get fired, but he didn't and we have survived quite comfortably in the end. Maybe a lesson to all clubs and owners not to be too trigger happy. Maybe managers nowerdays are not afforded time when bad runs happen, not just talking Everton but at plenty of clubs. Lots of clubs end up going down even when they change manager in the final panic sacking.

Here's the bottom line as I see it:
1) Job done this season. Without the points deduction (and its psychological impact), we'd be firmly mid-table and probably upper half.
2) For the first time in several years, and again despite the points deduction, we faced no final game dramatics to avoid relegation.
3) This was achieved after being forced to sell some of our top talent prior to the start of the season. Can you imagine how many more points we could have secured with Anthony Gordon still on the roster?
4) It was also achieved with one of the smallest rosters we've seen in recent years, the result of our financial straits. Those we brought in were risky but savvy transactions on minimal budget.
5) We now have one of the best defences in the league, a blend of experience and youth that has benefited Branthwaite and Mykolenko in particular.
6) We've definitely seen changes in tactics, although stability and consistency have clearly been the focus. I would add that, in previous seasons, plenty complained about all the chopping and changing in team selection and tactics. (I would venture to say that consistency is one of the big reasons for our strong defence.)

7) Dyche just won manager of the month and has received significant praise from other managers and pundits alike for doing a phenomenal job this season. Of the many positive comments, take Alan Shearer's: "What a job he’s done this season, Sean Dyche, in really difficult circumstances, a brilliant job."
We can nitpick, for sure. The style of play has not been that exciting, although there have been glimpses of a more positive style. Experience has trumped youth, for sure: Young and Coleman over Patterson; Gueye over Onana; Pickford over the others even for cup games; and so on. We cannot second-guess, though. Would youth have won more points? I doubt it. In tough circumstances, most managers would turn to experience.
IMO, Sean Dyche should be guaranteed the whole of next season, with sensible checkpoints and milestones, of course, to monitor progress. This year saw solid progress under difficult circumstances. Next year, we should expect to see more progress, not just treading water. As long as we're always making progress, why ever would we change managers?

very selective when considered against a whole seasons work. 
Manager tries things, they don't work out, he move things around as players develop to the coaching style etc - isn't that just management and coaching?
Myko has been playing his best football in a Everton shirt under Dyche - so whatever Myko needed to up his game in the PL, then Dyche has helped him get there. Great management or coaching. 
Dyche just got 'lucky' defensively - and the players just sorted ithemselves out defensivley on the pitch to become one of the top team defensively in the PL is utter unonsense.
If you truly don't beleive that Dyche et al with team set up and coaching has made this one of the tightest defenses in the PL, then the likes of Dyche simply have no chance.
You have made up your mind that you don't like him and so will pick at any fault you can - be is deserved or not.
Something is done well - but you put that down to luck and the players. Something done not so well, it the coaching or lack of it, management style, team selection and so on. 
There is plenty to pick at with Dyche, but defensive performances really isn't one of them, so by doing so you just come across as simply 'having it in for him'.

OK, can you find someone..anyone...saying he's not responsible for the run, and quote them, because I don't remember anyone saying that.

I said he's not without fault and is nowhere near perfect, not one person on this forum is making him out to be the best thing since sliced bread or the greatest manager to grace the club, but what most people are doing is giving the bloke the fair degree of the credit he deserves for what he has managed to acheive at this sorry state of a club (at this time) this season. A few managers have shown its not easy getting mid table form out of this team or club recently, so to me he has steadied the footballing ship somewhat - and good for him and good for us for doing so. 
I am not doing cartwheels when we win a game or three on the bounce, but neither am I still pawing over a 14 game winless run. Nobodies 'pretending' the 14 games run has nothing to do with him. Everything has something to do with him, from not winning in 14 games on the run and losing 4-0 to Villa and 6-0 to Chelsea through to having one of the overall best defensive records in the league, convincingly beating Liverpool and winning 48 points. The expected ups and downs and highs and low of being a bang average club (which is being generouse of where this club currently is!!) 
If you can find anywhere on this forum where anybody has made out 'the man can do no wrong' it will suprise me. What I am reading is that most people are giving him a fair assessment of what has been acheived this season as a whole.
Most people are only pushing out particulaly 'positive' comments or arguements as an antidote to the very unbalanced views that comes Dyches way from yourself and a couple of other.