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For the foreseeable future, the answer to every question about the future relationship will be 'it depends'.

I see two reasons for this:
1) UK leaving the EU on January 31 was decided by the December 2019 election, so the real 'elation' for brexiters was when the election result became clear.  Today is just an inevitable consequence of that result.
2) for all pratical purposes, the UK will still be an EU member until January 2021.  It is only from 2021 on, that your every day life will be impacted by Brexit.

Most of that is propaganda against the EU.
The pits closing nothing to do with the EU, that was solely a decision from this country. 
Zero contract hours not something given to us by the EU. 
You can’t force companies or manufacturer's to set up offices or factories in towns like Leigh and that’s not the EU’s fault, that’s down to the government to offer incentives for companies to move into these area’s and I’m sure they try, but there are other factors that companies take into consideration like a skilled workforce and good transportation links again out of the control of the EU. 
But I believe they were sold a lie that it will be better if we leave the EU, when really anyone with a bit of sense knows that employment opportunities in Leigh won’t get any better, no matter what Boris promised them. 

You are literally just rambling incoherently now in the hope somewhere you accidentally address an argument.
All the modelling shows a reduction in GDP, with the economy being 6% smaller in 2030 than it would have been in the EU, if the reduction in GDP is a solitary 1% public finances will be no better off that if they had stayed in the EU.
The economy will still grow over that time though and you will claim Brexit a roaring success!
Net immigration will continue to increase as the birthrate continues to fall, the jobs will go to the smartest, most educated and hardest working people and those people will not necessarily be indigenous to the Albion of your youth.
Life will not be discernibly better and after the union breaks up and England's political clout recedes further and all the people who thought Brexit would put the globalist genie back in the bottle are either dead or in some final irony have scarpered on a retirement visa to Spain, those left will hold another referendum to Rejoin.
This is a blip, more cooperation and more union is the only answer in a modern world that has problems that do not have a national solution.
 
 

Economic integration requires political integration.  You can't have common rules, if there is no political platform to discuss what those rules should be.   Increased cooperation (= federalism) is therefor a natural process.  
All countries in the EU are sovereign; being an EU member increases their sovereingty as it allows them to project power beyond what they would achieve alone.  
The EU, aside from being the biggest single market in itself, has, by far, the most free trade deals in the world of any economic entity.  Your statement it is the most protectionist is one of the more meaningless you have made on here.
 

Economic integration requires political integration.  You can't have common rules, if there is no political platform to discuss what those rules should be.   Increased cooperation (= federalism) is therefor a natural process.  
All countries in the EU are sovereign; being an EU member increases their sovereingty as it allows them to project power beyond what they would achieve alone.  
The EU, aside from being the biggest single market in itself, has, by far, the most free trade deals in the world of any economic entity.  Your statement it is the most protectionist is one of the more meaningless you have made on here.
 

Economic integration requires political integration.  You can't have common rules, if there is no political platform to discuss what those rules should be.   Increased cooperation (= federalism) is therefor a natural process.  
All countries in the EU are sovereign; being an EU member increases their sovereingty as it allows them to project power beyond what they would achieve alone.  
The EU, aside from being the biggest single market in itself, has, by far, the most free trade deals in the world of any economic entity.  Your statement it is the most protectionist is one of the more meaningless you have made on here.
 

Economic integration requires political integration.  You can't have common rules, if there is no political platform to discuss what those rules should be.   Increased cooperation (= federalism) is therefor a natural process.  
All countries in the EU are sovereign; being an EU member increases their sovereingty as it allows them to project power beyond what they would achieve alone.  
The EU, aside from being the biggest single market in itself, has, by far, the most free trade deals in the world of any economic entity.  Your statement it is the most protectionist is one of the more meaningless you have made on here.
 

I like how conservatives keep on claiming that there is "left wing" inertia against Brexit when it's probably one of the most left wing things to happen to the UK in modern history.
The Tory party has now moved so far to the left on economic policy that one wonders if there will be any space for a new post-Corbyn Labour party to occupy once it recovers, the European Union is the biggest experiment in free market capitalism since Adam Smith.
A vote for Brexit was not a vote for capitalism it was a vote for protectionism, not a vote for conservatism but a vote for National Populism.

I think corporate manslaughter charges could be justified...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51058929

Missed this one; why would they not? There is no language called "American" because all but the few natives left are immigrants. A little different but William Rees Mogg wouldn't stand in Newcastle because no bugger would understand what he was saying; if you're educated enough to talk to your electorate in their mother tongue why would you not? It's not "pandering" it's communicating.

Reading up in this... So he stood for re-election, was rejected by the people and was then made a 'lord' so he could continue in government, ie rule the people that rejected him.
To pick up an old theme: who do you have to vote for to get rid of Zac Goldsmith?  

Yes the conservatives won a clear majority within the system, not disputing that.  I was just having a dig at John who always rails against the undemocratic nature of the EU. 
 

Does seem odd. Wonder why that is.. why would someone who lives in the US questions the government more than someone who doesn't live here? Strange. 
Maybe I am paranoid, but let me also mention that conducting military operations goes from President to the Sec of Defense and skips the Joint Chiefs of Staff altogether. They may advise him, but there is no "signing off" required like you mentioned above. 

Yes the conservatives won a clear majority within the system, not disputing that.  I was just having a dig at John who always rails against the undemocratic nature of the EU. 
 

Just imagine that the lads in blue he keeps walking past (at least it looks like he’s walking, he’s running faster than I ever could) are just another team. A joy of a footballer to watch. I forgot that him, Bergkamp and a teenaged Fabregas were in the same team. How lucky were those Arsenal fans?!

Even got sunshine!

You gave a response but you didn't answer my question, you gave a "politicians answer" i.e. a deflection. 
As to the suggestion that I'm complaining because I don't like the result; I've been complaining about our electoral system for more than forty years so I see no reason to stop now. And it's not just about the LibDems, it's not fair that the Greens and (holds nose) the Brexit party have minimal/zero representation when they got more than 1.5 million votes between them, the tories got forty seats for that.

Jess Phillips would eat Johnson alive every single PM's questions.

Since studying Government and Politics in college I've been a supporter of PR. It's the fairest system as far as I can see.

Parliament had we used a modern electoral model rather than one instigated in 1884....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-results-pr-alternative-voting-system-tories-labour-hung-a9246661.html
'Analysis of results by the Electoral Reform Society shows the Conservatives would have won 77 fewer seats under the regional list proportional representation method of voting.
While Labour would have won 10 more seats and the Greens another 11, the Liberal Democrats would have been the biggest beneficiaries by taking 59 more seats.
The proportional representation system used in our European parliament elections would have left the Tories with only 288 seats, the largest party in a hung parliament – leaving open the possibility of a “rainbow” coalition government.
The pressure group claimed the “broken” first-past-the-post system was now “warping our politics beyond recognition,” arguing a change was now needed to allow millions of disenchanted voters to feel better represented.'
 

Now the years of uncertainty begins, begging and being held to ransom would seem to be the future for Britain, being dictated to by the EU were we have no choice but to accept there demands, and now the USA as well who will be trying to flood us with substandard food and overly expensive drugs.
 The next few years will be the years that crush the Tories as there lies start to come to the fore over Brexit. 

So do you really think it's a fair and equitable system when that the Tories got an MP for every 38,000 votes cast and the LibDems got one for every 332,500 votes? That's indefensible for me.
I wasn't being political one way or another John, just pointing out another thing that I personally think is wrong with the archaic way we elect our government.
Good to have you back by the way.

Yes the conservatives won a clear majority within the system, not disputing that.  I was just having a dig at John who always rails against the undemocratic nature of the EU. 
 

Conservatives got 358 on 43.6% of the vote. Labour and Lib Dems got 214 on 43.8% of the vote.
Labour + LibDem + SNP + Greens + Plaid Cymru + Sinn Fein + SDLP + Alliance = 52,2% of the vote.  A majority of people voted for parties which opposed the Brexit deal and were pledging to put it back to the people in a second referendum.
etc.  etc. 😉