London Blue

Koeman is the right choice for us at this stage. tactically very adept, good track record, knows the league, great playing history. As others have said he is in between Moyes and Martinez in terms of mentality, and this gives me great hope. Once we start qualifying for the Champions League then we will be able to attract the next level of manager.

I think the out campaign plays on the ill founded fears that "Immigrants take our jobs and our benefits" They do compete for jobs and there are some problems, especially in the agricultural area of agencies only advertising jobs abroad that need to be tackled. In truth though without them the NHS, Agricultural and production sectors would not be able to cope. As for benefits there is a surprisingly good article in the Telegraph that show the low take up of benefits by EU immigrants. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11255425/How-much-do-immigrants-really-claim-in-benefits.html There was a good routine done by Stewart Lee on this subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft338yltVLE

Its actually about 8.5 Billion when you take into account the re-bait and the money that the EU gives to the UK. What we actually get for our money is worth far more, British business has access to the largest single market in the world, with a clearly defined set of trading rules and regulations that are enforced to protect companies and consumers. This has enabled UK companies to build up solid relationships with EU companies and become entwined in various supply chains. 2/3 of all UK exports to the EU are goods and not services. If we were to leave the EU those goods that we sell would be disrupted and potentially made un-competitive depending on the trading relationship we end up having with the EU. Yes the EU sells more to us than we do to them, but when you look at the EU's whole trade world wide we are not the be all or end all. The EU will not bend over backwards to keep us. If we vote to leave then that is it we are out. The EU will not go on bended knee asking us to stay. They existed before we joined and they can continue after we leave, although they will be weaker. They will do no extra deals with us, because if they do then what is to stop other countries pulling the same stunt? No as they have said if we vote out we are out. Individual countries in the EU are not allowed to have trade deals with other countries, as we are in a single market every treaty has to be negotiated as the EU. Together we have greater bargaining power than individual states, because we offer access to the the worlds largest single market, so we can get better terms. As President Obama and even China have said they want to deal with big blocks of countries, and not on a country by country basis. If we leave what is the end game, how will this work, will we do what Norway does and PAY to get access to the EU's market, if we do will still have to follow all the rules and regulations, but have no say in how the rules are made, oh and we have to allow the free movement of people. Perhaps we wont do that we will use the WTO, even then we still have to follow all the rules and regulations, but have no say in how the rules are made, there is no free movement of people, but our goods and services can be subject to tariffs and trade restrictions. Either way it will take at least 2 years to disentangle ourselves, and then we would have to re-negotiate trade agreements from scratch with every country. Then what happens to the millions of UK citizens who live in the EU, not to mention when we go the EU, if we fall ill we can use the EU Health scheme, we wont be able to any more. So which one will it be and how will it work out, how does it all fit together? Nobody in the out camp can say. How will this affect UK economy, well the World Bank, IMF, OECD, The Bank of England, top companies and financial institutions all say it will damage the UK economy, as well as the EU, with whom we do so much trade. In effect we then damage ourselves twice over. The large financial and legal companies that dominate our private sector would in all likelihood move to Paris so they could still operate in the EU without impediment. That's not me talking that's the heads of these companies themselves saying it.

Well the system works (a bit) if some were withdrawn, some make sense. The EU has given us allot, Money for the areas devastated by unemployment, like the coal mining ares in Wales, supported the UK space technology industry which is now worth over 1 billion pounds a year, made Liverpool European City of Culture, created the worlds largest free trade area. If we leave what does it look like, whats the plan, how will we manage things, that is something nobody from the Brexit side has been able to provide.

Depends how much you are paying me.

Regulations can and do push up standards and help create a level playing field. US car market is very different to Europes, yet BMW, Mercedes, Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Aston Martin etc trade successfully around the world, both suffering now due to VW's emission scandal, but that will fade. Small companies can and do compete with larger ones in some markets, depending on the barriers of entry to that market. Its easier for a small innovative company to compete in markets where they can out maneuver bigger competitors, in industries as diverse as software, renewable energy, finance, food shopping, fashion and communication. Where they struggle to compete are in industries like pharmaceuticals and car production where there are huge barriers to entry.

I would have Messi and Bale.

Would win at any costs include cheating, employing players who continually dive to win penalties, playing nothing but route one football? Anything at any cost is a price too high for me. Having said that, there is an ugly side of the game every team has to use to grind out some results.

I voted Jaffa Cakes to and I am partial to one now and again, a bit like gritty boring wins!

To trade with the EU our goods and services would still have to meet EU standards, and we trade more with them that we do with the Commonwealth. Unless you are saying firms should have multiple production lines for different countries? In order to ensure quality there needs to be agreement on what constitutes each item, otherwise you end up with products that are not fit for purpose. Its not a drag on the economy, far from it, imagine the cost to the economy of numerous law suits because items people bought were not what people expected them to be. Using the Euro Sausage for example allot of farmers use high quality meat and nothing but great ingredients, imagine their anger if any old company then created a product with bear hardly any meat and lots of water and it also able to be called a sausage! I'm not saying there isn't excessive regulation and that everything they use is perfect, its not. It is not however an excessive burden, just look at the success of European companies like BMW, Rolls Royce, and Renault.

I love football because it is exciting, and because I want us to win, I believe we can do both, just as other teams have. If I were pushed off the fence I would agree with Makis that we are the School of science and being a boring one dimensional team is not what we do. As Frank says I want us to do it our way!

Call me foolishly optimistic but can we not win things and play attractive exciting football? The two are not mutually exclusive.

He still has the speed, the movement and the power to destroy anyone in the division. Don't get me wrong there is no way he will as he is set on the Heavyweight division..

The European Union may not be a democratic as we would like, but lets not forget that we elect MEP's and the government of the day chooses their representatives on the commission. How democratic is the House of Lords, or the High Court, or any of the QUANGO's that can set regulations and standards.

Haye as a cruiserweight destroys everyone in the division.

Depending on who it is!

Exactly, would make sense.

The fact is Moyes took a step up at Man Utd and failed, then he failed at Sociedad. Thanks for all the memories David, thanks for giving us our pride back after the dark, dark days of Smith but we have outgrown you, and more importantly your ability.

I didn't know trains could be such an emotive subject!

Can all the has been's and never will be's please stay the fuck away from our club! I love and hate the media speculation with equal facination, but this the return of Moyes (thanks for your past efforts but we have moved on) and being linked to Giggs (Never will amount to anything as a manager), is doing my nut in. For me it must be down do Pellagrini or De Boer.

He chases the ball?

It's amazing what a billionaire investor can do for you.

De Boer Pelligrini Koeman Emery Favre

Wasn't Trumpton about a fire engine?

Nobody should go until the new manager has had a chance to evaluate the squad and decide who they want and who they don't.