Matt Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 http://www.evertonfc...s-balancing-act Now I know this is never going to happen, but maybe a 532 is in order, with Baines and Coleman as wing-backs? More or less the case anwyay, might look like this: --------------Howard------------- -------Johny Jags Distin------ Coleman---Felli---Baines--- ---------------Arteta--------------- ---------Cahill-------------------- -------Becks------Saha-------- Dunno about you lot but thats a damn good looking lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Never really considered that formation for us to be honest mate but have to admit it does look like a very strong line up I'd be tempted to put Bily in for Cahil myself give him a chance in his strongest position Edited February 24, 2011 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Yuk Yuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Yuk Yuk. quit with the technical jargon Bill! Whats yuk yuk about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I see what your trying to get at Matt .. Liverpool tried that formation out not so long ago with good effect v Chelsea But i think its all good saying that formation looks strong, but its whether the players can cope in those positions. i would feel nervous if teams like chelsea hit us on the break, for instance down the right side, there wouldnt be the cool head of neville to stay in position, coleman, would be upfield and it would leave someone like malouda one on one with johnny, and he aint blesed with pace, players like torres and drogba would occupy the other centre halves, then before you know it someone like lampard comes in fairly unoccupied .. Thats a very brief example, but a formation like that for me, with our team, can only work in so many games. Maybe i am talking shit, and blind sighted to a new formation, please say if you think that. I still belive 451 to be the best formation while cahills around anyway also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I see what your trying to get at Matt .. Liverpool tried that formation out not so long ago with good effect v Chelsea But i think its all good saying that formation looks strong, but its whether the players can cope in those positions. i would feel nervous if teams like chelsea hit us on the break, for instance down the right side, there wouldnt be the cool head of neville to stay in position, coleman, would be upfield and it would leave someone like malouda one on one with johnny, and he aint blesed with pace, players like torres and drogba would occupy the other centre halves, then before you know it someone like lampard comes in fairly unoccupied .. Thats a very brief example, but a formation like that for me, with our team, can only work in so many games. Maybe i am talking shit, and blind sighted to a new formation, please say if you think that. I still belive 451 to be the best formation while cahills around anyway also. that's where fellaini would be.. i like the look of it myself..we aren't keepin clean sheets and i can't see no harm in trying it..it allows 1 cb to chase the ball whilst the other two can stay and mark the centre forwards and felli there to get back and help clean up when baines and/or coleman are upfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I posted a similiar formation the other week but i went with 1 up to and Billy/Rodders in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I see what your trying to get at Matt .. Liverpool tried that formation out not so long ago with good effect v Chelsea But i think its all good saying that formation looks strong, but its whether the players can cope in those positions. i would feel nervous if teams like chelsea hit us on the break, for instance down the right side, there wouldnt be the cool head of neville to stay in position, coleman, would be upfield and it would leave someone like malouda one on one with johnny, and he aint blesed with pace, players like torres and drogba would occupy the other centre halves, then before you know it someone like lampard comes in fairly unoccupied .. Thats a very brief example, but a formation like that for me, with our team, can only work in so many games. Maybe i am talking shit, and blind sighted to a new formation, please say if you think that. I still belive 451 to be the best formation while cahills around anyway also. I dont see anyone playing out of position, maybe Baines but that lad is playing both LB and LW at the moment anyway. The good thing about it is that we would have 3 quality CBs playing in the positions theyre comfortable with and Baines and Coleman can (and do now anyway) trackback the Malouda's so that the back 3 have some protection. Build the attack from the back, I know with those 3 lining up i would feel more comfortable. Ok, Pip isnt there but frankly, his performances (1 pen aside) have been dire the last month or so and even the captain shouldnt be immune from being dropped. Plus, even if he was on the bench we have seen him play the capt from the side lines anyway (FA cup run?) Considering the players we have at the moment, it just seems to make the most sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedfordBlue Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 No team as ever won anything playing with wingbacks, that is why no teams play it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 No team as ever won anything playing with wingbacks, that is why no teams play it anymore. pretty sure Real have played with wingbacks in the past, Barca kind of do in Alves.... Anyway, what have we won with 442, 451? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) On paper it certainly seems to offer us some good options. I have always been interested in playing 3 CB's and I mentioned this type of thing yonks ago somewhere else when we had Jags, Lescott and Yobo. For me it has 2 weaknesses. The first is the lack of attacking width (although with Baines and Coleman this shouldnt be a problem) and then the gaps this leaves down the flanks on counters. My problem with this and the way we currently play, is that to utilise the WBs and help us create width we will have to get the ball forward slowly (much like we do atm!) otherwise they will be playing piggy in the middle between defence and attack. If we then started hoofing it forward we will only have 1-2 outlets in one of the strikers and a supporting midfielder which could be quite easy to pick off if the opposition have a half decent DM. My other concern would be how we would deal with wingers and full backs at the same time. Normally we would have a LB vs RM and LM Vs RB defensively, now with this you would have the LWB picking up the oppo winger but then who picks up the FB. Not quite sure how that would work in the Premiership against teams who attack down the flanks, unlike Chelsea who are very central. Its certainly worth looking at though, but I fear we would use it as a defensive setup as opposed to an attacking one. Edited February 24, 2011 by Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 pretty sure Real have played with wingbacks in the past, Barca kind of do in Alves.... Anyway, what have we won with 442, 451? Division 1 Champions 1890-91, 1914-15, 1927-28, 1931-32, 1938-39, 1962-63, 1969-70, 1984-85, 1986-87. Runners-Up 1889-90, 1894-95, 1901-02, 1904-05, 1908-09, 1911-12, 1985-86. Division 2 Champions 1930-31. Runners-Up 1953-54. FA Cup Winners 1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995. Runners-Up 1893, 1897, 1907, 1968, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2009. Charity Shield Winners 1928, 1932, 1963, 1970, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1995, Shared 1986. League Cup Runners-Up 1976-77, 1983-84. European Cup-Winners' Cup Winners 1984-85. FA Youth Cup Winners 1965, 1984, 1998. Apart from that fuck all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Division 1 Champions 1890-91, 1914-15, 1927-28, 1931-32, 1938-39, 1962-63, 1969-70, 1984-85, 1986-87. Runners-Up 1889-90, 1894-95, 1901-02, 1904-05, 1908-09, 1911-12, 1985-86. Division 2 Champions 1930-31. Runners-Up 1953-54. FA Cup Winners 1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995. Runners-Up 1893, 1897, 1907, 1968, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2009. Charity Shield Winners 1928, 1932, 1963, 1970, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1995, Shared 1986. League Cup Runners-Up 1976-77, 1983-84. European Cup-Winners' Cup Winners 1984-85. FA Youth Cup Winners 1965, 1984, 1998. Apart from that fuck all! was waiting for some smartarse to copy wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedfordBlue Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Nice one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 was waiting for some smartarse to copy wikipedia Lol Sorry couldnt resist it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Don't want to be picky but the majority of those were won with a 2-3-5 . 1- Goalkeeper 2- Right (full) back. 3- Left (full) back. 4- Right half (back). 5- Centre half (back). 6- Left half (back). 7- Outside right (right wing). 8- Inside right. 9- Centre forward. 10- Inside left. 11- Outside left (left wing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think this 532 formation will make the team defensively strong. How about Billy playing upfront with Saha? I think he has the ability to become a GOAL SCORING striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Partington Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://www.evertonfc...s-balancing-act Now I know this is never going to happen, but maybe a 532 is in order, with Baines and Coleman as wing-backs? More or less the case anwyay, might look like this: --------------Howard------------- -------Johny Jags Distin------ Coleman---Felli---Baines--- ---------------Arteta--------------- ---------Cahill-------------------- -------Becks------Saha-------- Dunno about you lot but thats a damn good looking lineup. Moyes won't leave Phil out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Agreed so you could drop Becks for Nev and play CM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Neville in midfield gives me nightmares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) On paper it certainly seems to offer us some good options. I have always been interested in playing 3 CB's and I mentioned this type of thing yonks ago somewhere else when we had Jags, Lescott and Yobo. For me it has 2 weaknesses. The first is the lack of attacking width (although with Baines and Coleman this shouldnt be a problem) and then the gaps this leaves down the flanks on counters. My problem with this and the way we currently play, is that to utilise the WBs and help us create width we will have to get the ball forward slowly (much like we do atm!) otherwise they will be playing piggy in the middle between defence and attack. If we then started hoofing it forward we will only have 1-2 outlets in one of the strikers and a supporting midfielder which could be quite easy to pick off if the opposition have a half decent DM. My other concern would be how we would deal with wingers and full backs at the same time. Normally we would have a LB vs RM and LM Vs RB defensively, now with this you would have the LWB picking up the oppo winger but then who picks up the FB. Not quite sure how that would work in the Premiership against teams who attack down the flanks, unlike Chelsea who are very central. Its certainly worth looking at though, but I fear we would use it as a defensive setup as opposed to an attacking one. i'd say it would be the outside cb on whichever side...leaving the other two to cover the centre...stick johnny in the middle with jags and distin on either side who are both quite pacey(especially distin) Edited February 25, 2011 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 When i first read this i thought it was madness but im being persuaded otherwise now! Altho if it was tried and we got hammered i'd say i was drunk when i posted this! The biggest worry would be the speed we got the ball forward we dilly dally then hoof quite a bit with 2 cb's would it be worse with 3 there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The whole reason i started the thread was because we have 3 crackin CBs, a RB capt who is crap at the moment, a RB-come-RW and a LB playing a LB+LW. Having Arteta and Bily (if Cahill was to be dropped) helping these 2 flyers just makes sense with the players we have at the moment. Of course it wont happen but really considering who we have and how those players play, theres no reasonable reason why we couldnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The whole reason i started the thread was because we have 3 crackin CBs, a RB capt who is crap at the moment, a RB-come-RW and a LB playing a LB+LW. Having Arteta and Bily (if Cahill was to be dropped) helping these 2 flyers just makes sense with the players we have at the moment. Of course it wont happen but really considering who we have and how those players play, theres no reasonable reason why we couldnt. I totally agree with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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