Romey 1878 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Nolan is not better than Barton at all, I'd be disappointed if we got Nolan instead of Barton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 different kind of players imo, i think they could make quite a partnership thou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 having seen barton's tackle on saturday i'd prefer nolan.he's also in trouble for gesturing to the fans again i see. ......... I hear what your saying, but is Barton any worse than big Duncan, whose elbowing, Headbutting, and punching, came around a lot more frequently, yet he was idolised by most supporters here. Its so easy to slag a player off when he plays for someone else, but would the criticism be as forthcoming if he played for us. I would sign him tomorrow if i could, cos he's a winner and he would be a good player for us. imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Get behind him if he came certainly but I'd rather he didn't. Think we criticise our players as much, if not more, than others Bill...too much sometimes though perhaps not for the reasons we're talking here. Dunc did have savage critics (Mac for one) and was only idolised because of the lack of anyone else to idolise for the right reasons or any success during the time he played. He'd certainly not have had the same support in the eighties team, but he would never have got in it anyway. As for Barton being a winner? To my knowledge he's won nothing....he has the potential probably but you have to stay on the pitch to win, and to me, like I said, he'd still be a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 The desire to win, thats why he's much sought after, no he's never won anything with with City and never will, thats why he'll move on. I Hope its to Goodison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 No to Barton, for many reasons but mainly because he is too much of a liability. £10-12m for Spuddy, I'd take it - at some point he is going go, so let's cash in while he is hot property. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Who was more of a liability to any football team than Gazza, but managers at home, abroad, and England managers, where falling over themselves to sign him and play him. If the footballing side of his game outwieghs the social side, he's a must have for any team. It takes a mixture of players to come up with a winning team, and you get nowhere without that type of player (BARTON) in your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I can see why everyone has a chubby on for this kid, he is a good player. But Man City ain't exactly shooting across the football firmiment with glory blazing behind them with him in their team. My point is we have just gotten rid of a problem child, let's not saddle ourselves with another. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I can see why everyone has a chubby on for this kid, he is a good player. But Man City ain't exactly shooting across the football firmiment with glory blazing behind them with him in their team. My point is we have just gotten rid of a problem child, let's not saddle ourselves with another. ATB Mac Come on Mac he can't push the team forward on his own? In our team he would be one of a group (albeit small) of players that we look to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Come on Mac he can't push the team forward on his own? In our team he would be one of a group (albeit small) of players that we look to. Gerrard does for the RS, Henry does for Le Arse, Ronaldo does for Manure - these are all players who are looked towards to offer drive and effort and their teams are not the same without them. I like Barton and feel he would offer us something a little extra, but not enough to warrant taking his baggage and suspect temperment. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Gerrard has Alonso, Sissoko, Luis Garcia, no neck etc around him who are all good. Henry has Fabregas, Rosicky, Adebayor, Van Persie etc. Ronaldo has Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Saha around him. It's hardly fair to use them as a comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Fair point Mark, but I have found the players I have mentioned are the focus of their teams, only a truely world class player will offer us what we need. As shown with all the recent Fernandes "will he, won't he?" crap, we would place too much importance on one player and their ability to turn games. Barton is not such a player. I love debating with you. :heart: ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) Fair point Mark, but I have found the players I have mentioned are the focus of their teams, only a truely world class player will offer us what we need. As shown with all the recent Fernandes "will he, won't he?" crap, we would place too much importance on one player and their ability to turn games. Barton is not such a player. I love debating with you. :heart: ATB Mac But if he came to us we wouldnt be placing all the pressure on Barton, like at City, because with us he'd be one of a few that we can rely on, unlike at City where he's the player that they look to. He'd have alot more freedom with us and less pressure to turn a game. EDIT - We can't buy world class players remember. Edited February 13, 2007 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I know we can't buy world class players, we can't even hold on to world class players we bring through our own ranks, but the coaching system at the three aforementioned clubs is so superior to ours it beggars belief. Henry was not a world class player when Le Arse bought him and Ronaldo certainly wasn't half the player he is today when Manure bought him. I feel our scouting system needs looking at on that score. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 what scouting system? it's non-existant from what i can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 what scouting system? it's non-existant from what i can see. Hence the comment P. :whistle: ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 this is my pet hate with us, it cost's money to have a network of scouts, money we don't have, notice how everything seems to come back to the problem of lord showbiz? maybe it's about time the fans should try and get rid of him before it's too late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Now that would truely be "Blue Heaven" P, nice thought, but a bit on the unlikely side taking into account BK's Napoleon complex. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 we should 'nt give him any choice, it worked with doug ellis did'nt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 BK has a very strong power base, I feel it would take a major investment to shift the f*cker. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 we should 'nt give him any choice, it worked with doug ellis did'nt it It may have worked but how long did it take? A very long time. And Villa were in a better position financially than us, hence why Lerner took over because he had no debt to clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 there must be something we can do though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 there must be something we can do though? Ah, the age old battle cry of the resentful Evertonian. Don't think there is much we can do, a concerted "Kenwright out campaign" will achieve nothing, the man has skin thicker than a whales foreskin. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Ah, the age old battle cry of the resentful Evertonian. Don't think there is much we can do, a concerted "Kenwright out campaign" will achieve nothing, the man has skin thicker than a whales foreskin. ATB Mac How do you know how thick a whales foreskin is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 How do you know how thick a whales foreskin is? Discovery Channel. :thumbsup_still: ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Ah, the age old battle cry of the resentful Evertonian. Don't think there is much we can do, a concerted "Kenwright out campaign" will achieve nothing, the man has skin thicker than a whales foreskin. ATB Mac He will kill our club though Mac, he's got no money and no ideas, it's not enough to run a premiership club, and thats before we get on to the subject of the ginger ninja and the fact he's a championship manager at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 the figures of 10 million are too low, and moyes knows it, he won't sell aslong as arteta i happy here, because even if we got 15, you can't replace him so we wont try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 15 million, Cant replace him, C'mon, he's good but he's not irreplaceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) 15 million, Cant replace him, C'mon, he's good but he's not irreplaceable. I'm unsure on this subject but when you consider that the Actim Stats read (Prices assumed by me): 1 - Frank Lampard - Chelsea - 25 mil 2 - Cristiano Ronaldo - Manchester United - 25-30 mil 3 - Gareth Barry - Aston Villa - 4 - Mikel Arteta - Everton - ??? 5 - Cesc Fabregas - Arsenal - 20 mil + So apart from Gareth Barry who would proberbly go for 8-10 mil or more if we're honest, Micky is definatly worth a chunk more than 10 million quid! >>Actim top 100<< Just a thought. Edited February 15, 2007 by GoldfishMemory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 My views are already posted earlier in this thread, 8-10 mill is a realistic figure, and if anybody offers 10m the Club will take it. The cost to us was 2m two years ago, and to refuse ten for him would be committing suicide in a business sense. Ten million will buy an adequate replacement. PS.. i'd sell the missus for ten Million, so i woudnt think twice about Arteta. He,s only a footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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