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18 hours ago, hafnia said:

I never seen Barkley as lazy and as I've said I dont see it with martial.  The facts may prove me wrong.  Barkley had lazy games - No doubt. But overall I seen a player desperate to do well for us. He cared for the shirt. 

Is it the fact that I think it's criminal for a player like lukaku to give the ball away so much and not try and recover it?  That does piss me off.

Either way the facts are this.  Of the two players we are comparing - one is playing superb football and leading the man United line and the other has had a mystery injury concocted in order to drop him.  Every time martial plays against us he shows things we have never seen from lukaku. True genuine class. 

 

You don’t have to convince me of Martial’s class. I was another that wanted him as a Lukaku replacement when he was out of favour last season. 

And I’ve always found Barkley to be particularly lazy for a midfielder. The difference between he and Siggy’s pressing and tracking back is night and day for me. 

12 hours ago, hafnia said:

Having the touch like you are wearing slippers and not steel toe capped boots and finding a team mate with your passes can get you to avoid criticism of not working too hard.

Try being a lazy fucker with the touch of an elephant.... not gonna work is it. 

Modern game required player to at least do a standard of work in terms of helping the team recover and press the ball. 

I really don’t like this view. We’re not talking about top attacking players like Ronaldo and Messi, we’re talking about Martial ffs! If Lukaku isn’t talented enough to avoid criticism for being lazy, than neither is Martial.

I feel like this was also your excuse for Barkley avoiding criticism for his laziness under us (and the opposite applies for Walcott). Oh the kid is lazy and lacks a bit of end product/game smarts, but look at his first touch! I’d rather just look critically at all of these players relevent deficiencies, and not just ignore them when they’re a “pretty player”.  

18/30. Not bad for someone only supporting Everton since ‘06. 

33 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

A few matches back we had that trick play morgan pass to someone who scored on a corner.  Now that I think of it that might be the only corner scored all year!  Yikes we are terrible at corners

That was the freekick routine that Walcott scored from. We’ve also had Richarlison score his first goal from a freekick scramble and Keane scored a header too.

Don’t think we’ve actually scored one from a corner yet, but the deliveries haven’t been too bad recently, it’s the finishing that’s been the problem. 

I don’t really understand the shouts about his attitude. He’s an aggressive winger who’s asked to use his pace to get in behind and stretch defences quite often during a game; of course he’s not always going to be able to get back to help out in defence, but he still does his fair share. 

My bigger issue with him is always going to be his lack of technique and, to a lesser extent, his finishing/final ball. But I still think the positives definitely out balance the negatives and, worst comes to worst, he’s still an excellent impact sub off the bench. 

9 hours ago, MikeO said:

Serena Williams, what a bad loser; the ultimate "do you know who I am?" personality. Total lack of sportsmanship and completely spoiled the occasion for the Japanese lass who beat her, the crowd were dreadful also.

Can’t stand her personally because of this. Still whinging in her press conference about not being able to express her emotions on the court. When those “emotions” have included threatening linesmen in the past, I’m glad a chair umpire has finally stood up to her. 

I think if Mina settles well and we can sign Zouma on a perm, it’d probably be time to move Jags on (or into coaching) anyway due to numbers.

To me it’d be like saying we should avoiding finishing in the top 4, as champions league games would provide a distraction from winning the league...

Still think we need him for cover, unless Silva sees Richarlison or Walcott as striker options. Handy to have him on the bench regardless. 

2 hours ago, patto said:

We have got rid of most of our deadwood on loan we may need Tom around the first team in case of injury. 

This. With Gomes arriving injured it’s only taken Schneiderlin going down for us to need him as a starter. If he’s struggling to get games once Gomes and Bernard bed in loan him off in Jan, but it’d be crazy to get rid of him now. 

2 hours ago, MikeO said:

Remember us stuffing AEK at Goodison; Bilyaletdinov's debut and he looked like a World beater.

As an aside everyone always refers to AEK as "A-E-K" whereas in Greece they're called "ayak" (rhyming with kayak). Just thought I'd throw that in.

So what you’re saying Mike is that AEK is an acronym, rather than an initialism  

Take out the red card situation and I imagine Digne would’ve subbed in for Baines around 70-80 mins. I imagine that’s probably what will happen in our next game as we ease him into the fold. 

1 hour ago, brisbaneblue said:

I respect jags but I can't see him starting ahead of Mina, Holgate, Keane or Zouma when they are all fully fit, he turns 36 next week and I don't see them renewing his contract at the end of the season either. The Mina-Jags pairing might make sense if you're thinking of it as a youngster paired with an experienced head, but tactically they don't compliment each other - Mina is 6ft 5in and built solid, he's strong, slightly pacey with his extremely long legs over short distances when running forward but is particularly slow on the turn, he'd be better served pairing with a faster more mobile defender who can sweep behind when he challenges for headers or when we're caught on the counter. I'd be scared ever pairing the two.

As it stands, with Holgate injured and Zouma not a confirmed arrival yet, I'd still be starting Jags over Keane. A pairing of Mina and Keane against any fleet footed player is just asking for trouble with their turning circles.

8 minutes ago, brisbaneblue said:

I’d put on a £20 bet that this will be the last league game that Jagielka ever starts for Everton.

I think that’s a bit harsh on Jags. If the Zouma signing doesn’t go through I’d expect him and Mina to be our main CB pairing this season. Think they’d complement each other well tbh. 

8 minutes ago, Btay said:

If we had this attacking team + Gareth Barry in his prime, we would be an absolute force. 

Or just Schneiderlein in his prime  Don't know what's happened to the guy, but there's obviously a good player in there based on his time at Southhampton, United and his first 6 months with us.

Doubt Bernard has had much of a preseason being out of contract. Reckon he’ll be eased in off the bench, then we’ll actually have an impact sub for once based on who doesn’t impress behind Tosan. 

40 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Fair question. My impressing was the he was more the physical imposing type, not the silky ball playing variety, but I've only seen him play a handful of times and was not watching for him

It's just that the main things I've heard about him are his aerial presence and how he's very much the modern defender in how good he is on the ball and with his passing  My main concerns over him are whether he'd be able to adapt to a more physical, high-tempo league and that (from all reports) he's quite an aggressive, pressing defender who'll probably need a calmer head next to him in defense to keep him in check.

Edit: forgot that this is in the Zouma thread, but I am talking about Mina above 

5 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Is he meant to be a ball playing CB?  If we are after someone like Mina then we need another to compliment.  Right now we have absolutely no way to come out from the back. (Unless Holgate is the plan)  I have to think SIlva's style would demand someone back there who has confidence on the ball. 

Are you trying to say that Mina is good or bad on the ball? Because there's a reason a team like Barcelona bought him initially.

32 minutes ago, StevO said:

What makes you think Jags is a back up? Right now he’s first choice, by far our best defender. Regardless of the next few days, Jags and Keane have the starting spots on Saturday. 

I’ve always like Zouma though, looked a real talent. Not sure how his last year or so has gone. 

I get the feeling he hasn't been the same since his injury in the 15-16 season. Still managed to play the majority of games for Stoke last season while on loan, but they did get relegated  Loan to buy might be the best option for him.

Your partners all just sound like cliche English tourists to me 

26 minutes ago, hafnia said:

£30m... great player when given a run but would sooner stick with gylfi

Completely different players. A good, old fashioned box-to-box midfielder vs a number 10. Would love to have him here, but realistically if Chelsea are looking to bring him in, we should be all over Loftus-Cheek.

1 hour ago, StevO said:

Don’t say that, I’m still having Oviedo nightmares. 

I'm still having Schneiderlin ones.

For related and unrelated reasons 

Inspired by the wine thread opening I was wondering if there are any other beer drinks on here that use a beer reviewing app called Untappd? I’m curious if anyone else can compete with my fairly extensive checklist of beer tastings

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

http://www.football365.com/news/spurs-squad-cost-less-than-everton-to-create

If that’s correct (or close enough to) that’s really damning of Walsh’s signings and our last few managers. Pretty embarrassing that the 11th most expensive team in Europe are currently a shite, mid-table club.

I'm with Dunc on this one. I was way more worried about relegation under Koeman and Unsworth than I am now. The above post regarding points of the relegation spots backs that up.

Now if we're talking style of play and our future beyond this season however...