patto

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Not doubting you - but have you been told something by someone who knows specifics? 
 

for me his answer in the press conference was concerning - there was a shiftiness to it and an unnecessary jibe at Patterson.  
 

Considering stuff happens all the time at footy clubs with players and coaches having arguments etc I found it odd that this one got out, an innocuous joke doesn't get blown out of proportion like that. 

 

I didn’t see his reply to what happened but from what I was told the friendly slap as they say was heard all over the restaurant it wasn’t just a tap on the head. 
I don’t come on here to make up tales I only tell what I’m told but I can’t say anymore than I have. 
other than I’ve been told City are now interested in Jarrad apparently Fodin said I’ll see you in the summer that’s if pep does make the move. 

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

If we lose to Newcastle without showing a decent fist of it, do you think Dyche should be still leading us out against Burnley with all that is riding on that game. 
It’s no secret where I stand on this, all though I haven’t been happy with the team selections and tactics for some time now, I pretty much sat on the fence when it came to is sacking not any more I’m fully convinced he should be shown the door. 
I’d be interested to hear what your thoughts and anyone else’s are on Dyche’s future as our manager. 

He has to go he can’t be here next season so get rid now the Patterson incident was the end of him. 
people tried to play it down believe me it was serious. 

58 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Careful Patto, you'll be accused of having the memory of a goldfish.

i genuinely don't get off my seat with a "go on!" Anticipation shout when we are looking like we may get a chance.  

I am literally sat watching us miss half chance after half chance and even when we score i'm waiting for var to do its damage to us. 

its mind numbing how bad we are.  Yeah we have a pretty poor Everton side but this is the worst league I've seen - we should still be home and dry. 

The worse teams at the bottom are beginning to pick up the odd point here and there if we don’t beat Burnley which everyone expects we will be in deep shit. 

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

We hadn't conceded a headed goal all season until Godfrey came into the side.

The defence as a whole is all the worse just for having him in it. Both CB's have been impacted by him as well - they have to go over and cover for him a lot when he's playing in either full-back position.

Also think Tarks was poor for the goal all he is doing is pointing to other people 

22 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Comical defending from all, which summed up our performance yesterday.

I wonder how we would be reacting if if it had been Keane ?

You know how they would react

ive said it time and time again Godfrey can’t head a ball he will never be a success at centre back. 
Keane might be slow but he wins most headers in both boxes. 
and scores goals. 

I can’t remember us being this bad ever. 
I’ve watched all the Everton teams fighting relegation in the past even though we were bad we had fight today we had nothing.

I think this is the worst team I’ve seen but I also think the so called tactics don’t help  hoof ball will take us down  

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Like I say. This season is shite. Horrible.  Pickford should have claimed that 

Pickford at fault for both goals he was awful today. 

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I think this is a key difference though. You initially asked about mass illegal immigration and I don't think anyone has ever been supportive of mass illegal immigration. 

Is there too much immigration or is there just not enough effort to deal with them, integrate them once the government have approved their status? 

The torys are very good at spin and propaganda. At least its easier to believe that than the majority of the country are that fucking stupid to believe anything they say without being deceived. If they wanted to deal with immigration, they absolutely could. Anyone who says otherwise might want to look at a map. 

So rather than be angry with the people risking their lives to escape at worst or want to improve their life at best, look at the people in charge. May slashed border control forces before she was PM for example, police take a pay cut year on year if you take inflation into account, privatisation lead to all our money going into private foreign companies profits rather than back into the country... 

The state of the country isn't due to immigration. It's an element for sure but it's not the root cause. You only need to see what the conservatives have done in the past 50 years to distribute the wealth as they saw fit and the working and middle class carry the consequences.

If you want to be angry, I don't blame you. But be angry at the right thing.  

I’m more concerned than angry I fear for the future of my grandchildren in 15 years time you won’t recognise this country and Liverpool will end up just like London a total shambles. 

7 hours ago, Palfy said:

You said regarding Rwanda is it any more unsave than the UK, so I responded with do you know of any UK citizens who have been given asylum  to any other countries in recent times, why I said that was to show that the UK is safer than Rwanda who’s citizens are still currently seeking and getting asylum because their lives are in danger. 
Mass immigration isn’t good for any country and in an ideal world no country in the worlds citizens would need to use immigration as away to feed themselves and their families. 
But whilst there are people who genuinely need help then should the richest countries help them or turn them away.  
You come from a City that was built by immigrants mainly from Ireland, but I’m sure there are many more immigrants from other countries that moved and worked in Liverpool and added value to the city.  

I’m not against immigration I’m against the way it’s being done and yes I know there’s good and bad. 
but at the end of the day our own kids can’t get a place to live they have to live with parents or grandparents under current rules they will never get a so called council house. 

7 hours ago, MikeO said:

If they're allowed to stay they're not illegal, and people who arrive here by "irregular" routes mostly claim asylum so they can only properly be described as illegal (despite what the tories pretend) once their application has been processed, two thirds are successful in those applications.

I've not seen immigrants living on the streets, or heard reports of such a thing, so it would appear that it is possible to accommodate them.

You won’t see immigrants living on the streets they aren’t that soft. 
they demand houses some want houses with 2 living rooms and some refusing houses because there’s no drive to park on. 
some supposedly from war torn country’s complaining about 2 to a room while it’s not costing a penny to stay. 

8 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Nobody thinks mass illegal immigraton is good for the country.

How does an immigrant get to be "tick-boxed" if they're unchecked?

Yes.

You're entitled to your opinion.

They are being allowed to stay without checking their background it’s a case of fk it we can’t check everyone but let’s allow them to stay. 
average 500 a day coming it’s not possible to accommodate them and never will be. 

22 minutes ago, Palfy said:

How many UK citizens do you know of who have been given asylum in other countries recently?

I’m talking about the uk your not answering my question 

2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Well I’m shocked that more hasn’t been made of it by the other Parties. 

Can anyone explain to me why they think mass illegal immigration is good for our country. 
and now we are tick boxing any unchecked immigrant to stay. 
regarding Rwanda is it any more unsafe than the uk. 
for me our country is finished or will be in a few years time. 

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Even if what Jarrad is saying is true it won't make up for Pickford being a bit shouty. We all know that's why he'll be leaving.

Pickford or Jarrad ?

20 minutes ago, MikeO said:

"Facts" courtesy of unsubstantiated fail story.

Why are we even talking about this?

He's a bully who should be charged with ABH apparently, all on the say so of Matt Hughes.

Fail has a video on its site now which says that Dyche left the table with Patterson, no mention of Tarkowski at all....so the "facts" that people are drawing their own "facts" from are not only uncorroborated, they're contradictory.

What does it matter that he left the table with Patterson ?

2 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

unless they act like grown ups, accept an apology and put it behind them and simply get on with the rest of their lives. There are much more pressing issues to be worrying about that 'Dychegate' at this club and on life in general.

Give Dyche a spin on his own naughty boys 'wheel of fortune' as punishment for being a bit of a knob - and underline the whole thing.  

 

It will be interesting to see what happens especially with his next press interview for the Bournemouth game he will be asked about it. 

42 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

you can see in just this forum alone - how a 30-40 word article has be dragged accross the coals, sensationalised and blow out of any sort of proportion, and now there are tens if not hurdreds of thousands of words written about an incident but that in realliy 99.99% have no fucking clue about any details, peoples intent etc as they where not privy to it first hand - the vast majoiryt is conjector to suit any individuals own narratives.

There was an uncomfortable or embarresing (word used in the original article) 'incident' and even in the souce article its sound like I was simply dealt with fairly qucikly like mature grown up. A senior Player appear comfortable in approaching the boss to call him out about it (in original article) and the boss apologies for it (in the original article).

A sign off the times and perhaps subtle difference in the expectations and banter (for want of a better word) of different generations.

I am sure everybody will learn from the incident, and that all you can resonably expect from people.

 

Your right 99.99% don’t know what happened but the whole squad do know and it’s not so easily forgotten 

1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Er...no, what makes you think that?

Well you are stating the mail regarding Tarks speaking to the manager when Haf said Coleman and Tarks spoke to Dyche. 

6 minutes ago, MikeO said:

"Of course there was ale involved" Again just speculation...but if he had had a beer then was it contributary to what it's "understood" he did? Seems to like a pint so you'd think he can handle it.

"Down time" = alcohol?

Again with embellishing the story, report says Tarkowski (just him, not "captains") took him "to one side," not outside, which has different connotations.

If you want to swallow the whole story as written then go for it (general point, not just directed at Haf), and if you want to make it worse for whatever motive then fill yer boots...but does it not occur to you that if there was more to it the fail would've been all over it? 

 

So you actually believe the mail when it suits you. 

The problem for us is the players will have lost a lot of respect for Dyche and I’m not sure he will regain it. 
can results bridge that gap I don’t know the man is out on a limb now 2 months without a win is massive. 

Everton’s asking price for Jarrod is 75m I don’t know if we can get that with what is happening in football at this time I hope so. 

5 hours ago, MikeO said:

You know that how?

I took the degrading step of actually opening the fail site to read the article, and there was no mention at all of alcohol.

What there was was, "Mail sport has learned" (no source) blah blah "Dyche is understood (by who? Again no source) to have apologised to Patterson." BLAH BLAH "...caused a stir among fellow restaurant diners." (none of whom felt the need or inclination to talk about it apparently).

Can't believe how ridiculous this thread has got, everyone believing without question a highly dubious report, but not only that, going off into fantasy land to embellish it.

Love a bit of drama don't we

 

 

Most people like a glass of wine with a meal. 
there was alcohol now I’m not saying anyone was pissed especially not the players but there was alcohol involved. 

1 minute ago, Palfy said:

I wonder if the Bookies are doing odds on Patterson making the starting 11, if they are I would put 50 on him starting.  

I doubt he will start although I think he should definitely have played more than he has done. 

8 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

People trying to trivialise this are way off the mark. 

If you can quote the rules you can obey the rules.... Dyche is a disciplinarian but this isn't Tom Browns school days and he isn't strutting round with a cape and a cane.  
 

It may galvanise the squad - at least we hope so 

 

We will find out at Bournemouth which is an awful venue for us normally 

6 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

In short he's toast.   He's reliant on 100% buy in and respect from the players. 
 

When Alex Ferguson cut Beckhams eye with a boot his response was "get that stitched up"...... the bully knew his temper would have been the end of him if he wasn't a successful manager.  For him he needed to be unapologetic even when wrong - otherwise he looks weak. 

Dyche doesn't have the credit in the bank to get away with this. Patterson by all accounts is a very popular lad with the players. The fact he's not been picked despite Godfrey being poor says it feels personal.

David Brent levels of stupidity 

I wonder what Thelwell thinks of the situation he must surely speak to the senior players about what has happened