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42 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

you can see in just this forum alone - how a 30-40 word article has be dragged accross the coals, sensationalised and blow out of any sort of proportion, and now there are tens if not hurdreds of thousands of words written about an incident but that in realliy 99.99% have no fucking clue about any details, peoples intent etc as they where not privy to it first hand - the vast majoiryt is conjector to suit any individuals own narratives.

There was an uncomfortable or embarresing (word used in the original article) 'incident' and even in the souce article its sound like I was simply dealt with fairly qucikly like mature grown up. A senior Player appear comfortable in approaching the boss to call him out about it (in original article) and the boss apologies for it (in the original article).

A sign off the times and perhaps subtle difference in the expectations and banter (for want of a better word) of different generations.

I am sure everybody will learn from the incident, and that all you can resonably expect from people.

 

Your right 99.99% don’t know what happened but the whole squad do know and it’s not so easily forgotten 

1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Er...no, what makes you think that?

Well you are stating the mail regarding Tarks speaking to the manager when Haf said Coleman and Tarks spoke to Dyche. 

6 minutes ago, MikeO said:

"Of course there was ale involved" Again just speculation...but if he had had a beer then was it contributary to what it's "understood" he did? Seems to like a pint so you'd think he can handle it.

"Down time" = alcohol?

Again with embellishing the story, report says Tarkowski (just him, not "captains") took him "to one side," not outside, which has different connotations.

If you want to swallow the whole story as written then go for it (general point, not just directed at Haf), and if you want to make it worse for whatever motive then fill yer boots...but does it not occur to you that if there was more to it the fail would've been all over it? 

 

So you actually believe the mail when it suits you. 

The problem for us is the players will have lost a lot of respect for Dyche and I’m not sure he will regain it. 
can results bridge that gap I don’t know the man is out on a limb now 2 months without a win is massive. 

Everton’s asking price for Jarrod is 75m I don’t know if we can get that with what is happening in football at this time I hope so. 

5 hours ago, MikeO said:

You know that how?

I took the degrading step of actually opening the fail site to read the article, and there was no mention at all of alcohol.

What there was was, "Mail sport has learned" (no source) blah blah "Dyche is understood (by who? Again no source) to have apologised to Patterson." BLAH BLAH "...caused a stir among fellow restaurant diners." (none of whom felt the need or inclination to talk about it apparently).

Can't believe how ridiculous this thread has got, everyone believing without question a highly dubious report, but not only that, going off into fantasy land to embellish it.

Love a bit of drama don't we

 

 

Most people like a glass of wine with a meal. 
there was alcohol now I’m not saying anyone was pissed especially not the players but there was alcohol involved. 

1 minute ago, Palfy said:

I wonder if the Bookies are doing odds on Patterson making the starting 11, if they are I would put 50 on him starting.  

I doubt he will start although I think he should definitely have played more than he has done. 

8 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

People trying to trivialise this are way off the mark. 

If you can quote the rules you can obey the rules.... Dyche is a disciplinarian but this isn't Tom Browns school days and he isn't strutting round with a cape and a cane.  
 

It may galvanise the squad - at least we hope so 

 

We will find out at Bournemouth which is an awful venue for us normally 

6 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

In short he's toast.   He's reliant on 100% buy in and respect from the players. 
 

When Alex Ferguson cut Beckhams eye with a boot his response was "get that stitched up"...... the bully knew his temper would have been the end of him if he wasn't a successful manager.  For him he needed to be unapologetic even when wrong - otherwise he looks weak. 

Dyche doesn't have the credit in the bank to get away with this. Patterson by all accounts is a very popular lad with the players. The fact he's not been picked despite Godfrey being poor says it feels personal.

David Brent levels of stupidity 

I wonder what Thelwell thinks of the situation he must surely speak to the senior players about what has happened 

3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Absolutely mind blowing.  For one the manager was on the ale with the team.... he's got to be the standard bearer.  Yeah fine - "have a few beers boys - been a good trip... bit of down time and get a bit merry"  - he's got to be the one who represents the tone of the night.  
 

my reading of the situation @patto is that dyche got carried away, and got "accidentally" heavy handed in a way that stopped the players in their tracks.... otherwise why did Tarks and Coleman feel the need to standup for their teammate. 
 

One way or another Dyche apologising means he knew he'd fucked up... the fact that the players needed to prompt him to do it means his status has dropped. They will not have the same respect for him now.?

 

 

 

 

You took the words out my mouth. 
the fact he came back into the room and apologised wow he won’t be happy with that. 

3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Where did you find out the further info? 

Haf you know I can’t divulge that it’s more than I dare do. 

8 minutes ago, Btay said:

So you’re telling me Dyche went to a team dinner with a pre conceived plan to slap Patterson because he identifies him as an easy target amongst the squad to exert some authority? Like, seriously?

I never said that at all I said he picked his mark. 
Dyche is lucky it never went further than it did or he would already be out on his arse. 

3 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Will the players still play for him?

 

They have no option do they they owe it to us the fans and themselves they won’t want relegation on their CV 

I’ve only just heard of this today I’ve hardly been on line and don’t read newspapers. 
some people think this is the daily mail doing it’s thing on Everton. 
well this is true and quite serious I expect Dyche to be gone in the summer you can’t go round slapping players while out on a meal. 
it was Coleman and Tarky who took Dych outside to have a word. 
it was worse than is being reported but he had to pick Patterson didn’t he the prick like a typical bully picked his mark. 

Went on line this morning and cancelled they said I have to take it to a DPD depot to send it back so it’s up to DPD to send me a label to post it. 
they send me an email with the address and I have to print it and provide packing for it. 
if I had gone the 3 store I could just hand it in so much easier. 

Well I chose three 4G home broadband I think I've made a mistake already.....I do have the option to send it back but I'm sure there will be a charge but there's no information on the website.

On 11/03/2024 at 14:11, RuffRob said:

I don't think any player can use what is termed Dyche ball as a excuse. There are opertunities in most game for our offensive players to  show moments of quality or make moment of quality happen. The problem is as much the quality (or lack of) of the player as it is the system in which they play.

I remember when Harrison played against us for Leeds, he had a couple of stinkers, if I remember correctly the last game he played against us he was particualy poor.

Being a hard worker has always been his best attribute, genuine quality being spasmodic at best. Dyche ball actually probably suits the worker like Harrison's of this world. 

£8M for Gray was business it seens we couldn't turn down, give our finances,  his fringe position in the squad and him being on his final year.  Being on his final year and he low fee, that has to go down as mostly profit on the books. 

He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a £20m transfer. 

Look at DCL I know he s had injurys but he s been awful under Dyche the hoof ball has done him no favours yes I know he s had chances but he is isolated all the time trying to win the hoof ball from pickford this is tactics from Dyche.

The same as he doesn’t like Patterson he will be gone in the summer. 

On 11/03/2024 at 12:01, Hafnia said:

Gray offered a huge amount of discontent and "I don't give a shit" too. 
 

talented player but I'm sick of players taking the piss - which he did. 

I never heard anything about him taking the piss I know what you said earlier. 
but I blamed Dyche from the beginning he just didn’t like gray 

1 hour ago, Sev said:

Would just like to add that we're certainly not the easiest team to play for at the moment. Makes it quite hard to see a players full potential.

I agree Dyche ball is not great for attacking players Jack looked decent elsewhere. 

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

He should bring Cody Ebere up to give our senior attackers coaching sessions. 11 goals in his last 8 appearances, a hat-trick yesterday.

There’s levels and there’s levels unfortunately there is no Wayne Rooney in our youth set up. 

I’ll be honest I thought Jack would be a big hit here but at the moment he’s making Demarai gray look like a big mistake 8m price tag was too low. 
and at 20m it’s a no for Jack. 

15 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

After 5 months how can they think these are right for Everton the fact it’s taking this long tells you it should have been dismissed months ago. 
they might think 777 are the final nail in our coffin. 

10 hours ago, MikeO said:

Classic TT, let's discuss Southampton in the West Ham match-day thread for no obvious reason

The point is about Everton hardly ever playing football through our midfield. 
Pickford is instructed to go long to DCL who is struggling with this type of football. 

Watching Southampton the other night playing Liverpool they played proper possession football and it was better than anything we have done this season it must have something to do with manager.