Palfy

I personally think people are more disillusioned about the way we are playing than the results, last season we played better football when in possession of the ball, but let ourselves down defensively so that needed working on, and early on it looked like he had cracked it but last 10-12 games have been on a par with last season, and I don't find having to come back from a goal down to salvage a point from teams we'd like to think we are better than a positive, to me it's a negative that we keep finding ourselves in that position, unless the the reality is we aren't better than Hulls of this league which is looking more like the case, and if so that's down to Koeman, because I can assure you we never looked like the worst team in the league last season.

How is saying we played well showing understanding when we played terribly, that's just wallpaper over the cracks, or head buried in the sand mentality.

1982 perhaps you could enlighten me as to what positives he has brought to this club in the time and money he has spent here.

He's had one window and six months in the job so you would expect to see some improvement no matter how small, but the truth is that we are far worse than we were last season.We go on to pitch at the moment and you would be forgiven for thinking that the players had all just met 20 minutes ago. There are no basics in the way we are set up the way the players work as a team, it is a total shambles every game it's a different line up or a different formation, he just hasn't got a clue. Last season with the same players who you ridicule now as being shite and the only reason we are in the position we are at the moment, those same players last season could play football, they could retain the ball play it round could find each other had good movement on and off the ball, we've have none of that now Koeman has taken any ability they had out of them through bad management. Your right we are shit but the shit you see out there now is the shit he has created. To be honest you could go on forever about what he hasn't done or hasn't got the ability to do, since his one window and six months in charge here, there's so much shit its endless. But and I'm being objective here you struggle to find any positives he has brought to the team, bar Gana, but even he has really struggled in the past few weeks as the team gets worse with every game we play, racking my brain here but I genuinely can't think of anything else positive he has done for this club.

People don't need to wake up and smell the coffee, you need a massive reality check, if you for one fleeting moment you think that what you witnessed yesterday was in any way acceptable you have know knowledge what so ever about football in my humble opinion.

Does anyone know if senile dementia can start in your mid forties, if it can unfortunately I think Pad has got it.

He started with the oldest line up he could have picked, then brings the younger players on to get him out the shit, we didn't deserve a point out of that we were totally useless and got off the hook through a bizarre own goal.Anyone who thinks we did OK IN that game should be arrested for impersonating a football fan, or be placed on a care in the community order.

Sounds like he's looking for a big signing on fee and 100+k a week, and the more he sucks up to Koeman the more chance he's got of getting it.

said it then and more convinced now don't let bring in a hat full of mediocre players like he did in the summer, he hasn't a Scooby doo what he's doing.

How can you get a team performance from a group of players that don't know if there be playing the next game or who there be playing with. He's not acting like a manager who knows his best team and sticks to it, he's more like a social worker trying to keep everyone happy in case he upsets someone.

I would go with Holgate and Mori in the middle of a back 4, also Davies in the middle with Gana, if Gana is not available or McCarthy I'd rather have Cleverley, drop the old so called experienced players who aren't doing it, for younger quicker players with more fight in their bellies.

Between Rom and Ross both put a lot of effort in, Rom looked right on it first half, then Ross stood out more second half. Have to give it Ross the goal just clinched it for me.

A tough place like this, fuck sake Jags they were bottom of the league

If Koeman doesn't do the honest thing and except total responsibility for this poor performance due to his selection and tactics, but instead once more blames the players he needs to be shown the door.

We are all over the place nobody seems to know what they're meant to be doing or were there playing, what happens all week on the training pitch.

Lukaku playing well for me I hope the stats prove me right.

What that meant to mean

I never felt this low last season, Koeman has exceeded Martinez

That's better boys COYB

Take the camera off that twat can't bare to look at him

Rubbish

Worried there gonna swamp us in midfield, and its going to be backs to wall for most of the game.

Thing is he gets good money for that shit.

I've stopped trying to work out what's going on in Koeman's head when makes his selections, let's hope he knows.

This is what makes this the best thread on TTF, it wouldn't be same without the split of opinion, and the conviction of people to air them and not hide from the fallout.It could be a worse place thread wise if Lukaku was to leave.