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  2. Longest Thread! for Everton Discussion

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    2 hours ago, Palfy said:

    Yes they are trying to prove to the government that they don’t need to be regulated, and that is without a shadow of doubt that is the why the penalty was severe, and exceeds all punishment’s in the history of the PL. They also planted the seed with the independent panel by suggesting that the penalty if found guilty the penalty should be 6 points plus 1 point for every 5 million over the 105 million, this was never written anywhere as a guide line if you were found guilty of breaching PSR regulations, the independent panel said they would not accept that advice as they didn’t believe it to be fair and would give a penalty that they believed fitted the breach, yet they still came up with the same points deduction had they followed the PL advice. For me this was a smoke screen to say we are an independent committee and did not follow the PL advice, yet came up with the same penalty to make it hard for us to challenge the independence of the decision. We did admit guilt it is recorded in the minutes that we admitted guilt, as was the panels decision to dismiss the PL suggestion of how to come to the final points deduction. We used the mitigating factor of the loans that were not for the stadium and loans that weren’t in the club’s name but used for the stadium, and they were dismissed, we say because they moved the goal post, are we saying that they did this without out ever changing the wording in the rules book, or making that change clear to 20 clubs in the league when it the time it was changed, you don’t know I don’t know, but I would have thought that if they change the ruling or as you say moved the goal posts, without making this change clear to it’s members then we would be challenging the finding of being found guilty, but we are not we are just challenging the severity of the punishment and accepting guilt. Well that’s how I see it anyway, but all will become a lot clearer in a couple of weeks, when hopefully we get most if not all out points back. And on the case of the new charge, all I have said is they are two individuals charges and as such they outcome of the appeal is not a guarantee to have any effect on the second charge no matter the outcome of the appeal, as they are both independent of each other as charges, and we may or may not even be found guilty of the second charge, though I feel that is unlikely if we look at the first breach when the club the club told us not to worry we are innocent. And whether this is liked or not the total mismanagement of the clubs finances has got us into this position and still is today. I’ve said it before and I will say it again, I can not believe we haven’t after 2 years not found a replacement sponsor for the stadium and the training ground, honestly what the fuck is going on within our club, if we could have found someone who only paid 20% of what USM were paying for naming rights we could have generated 40 million, and if we could have found someone to pay 50% of what USM were paying for sponsorship towards Finch Farm that could have generated somewhere in the region of 20 million a year. Those 2 figures combined would have comfortably taken us out of any breach, yet we haven’t raised a single penny in sponsorship to replace the USM money, that alone should help you see why this club is financially failing and in such a shit position, because for me it’s mind boggling and as someone who runs his own business I just can’t comprehend how this situation is allowed to continue. 

    I can’t believe you think it’s that easy to find a stadium sponsor especially as it’s not even built yet, just ask Spurs!

    So explain to me what happens if the appeals committee sides with Everton on the loan interest being permissible or that they can’t change the rules part way through the process and stadium build?

    If they are taken out of the equation then we are comfortably compliant in both reporting periods and so there is no case to answer  and therefore we are not guilty. Or am I missing something?

    The two charges are intrinsically linked because they cover 75% of the same accounts/ reporting periods and it’s already been pointed out by top barristers that this goes against natural justice

  3. Luton (FA Cup) 27th January

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    16 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

    Give some key players an important break before a crucial league match next week.

                            Virginia

    Patterson   Keane   Godfrey   Mykolenko

                        Onana   Garner

    Harrison          Danjuma              McNeil

                               Beto

    If they are going to throw the game they should tell the fans before the tickets go on sale

  4. Lewis Dobbin

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    Watching that game he was so frustrating. He was clearly the best player on the pitch but most of the game just passed him by

    There was a 20 minute period at the end of the first half where he was superb but there were also times when his decision making was so poor

    The penalty miss summed up his game really. It was a great run by him which drew the foul but then the pen was so poor. It looked like he was trying to place it in to the top corner, no pace on it at all, but ended up miles high and wide

     

     

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    4 hours ago, Palfy said:

    Exactly as I’ve been saying from day one, we are not appealing against the guilty verdict, we are appealing against the severity of the punishment, and the 1878s have listed a history of previous punishments to clubs found guilty of breaching PL rules to show the severity of our punishment, for what could be considered a lesser offence than others that were then given a less severe punishment. So thank you Dunc for addressing it to me, as you can see 1878s take on the appeal is the same as mine. 

    Clearly you are not going to be swayed from your opinion no matter what but I don’t think we have pleaded guilty as such

    We have acknowledged the fact we have gone over the allowable £105m loss barrier over the 4 seasons BUT the main point of the article is that we have only breached because they moved the goal posts regarding the interest on the loans . That is the whole crux of the argument

    I thought you asked why people believed the first appeal would affect the second charge? Well this is your answer, if we can convince the appeal panel  that the loans should have continued to be allowed as add backs then we would be comfortably compliant and therefore not guilty and as the second charge is for 75% of the same accounting period the same would apply to that

    Yes we are also contesting the severity, and rightly so. The other mitigating factors I also believe are credible. How can they justify saying on one hand that there was no intended wrong doing and no sporting advantage gained then on the other hit us with any sporting sanction at all let alone the most severe in history?

    The club have worked openly with the EPL since 2021 and can clearly evidence all the efforts they have done to remain compliant so to be hit with such a severe penalty is entirely unjust and it’s quite obvious to most that that they are trying to use us as the sacrificial lamb to prove to the Government that an independent regulator is not needed

  21. Longest Thread! for Everton Discussion

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    12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

    We can still take in loan players if we get a transfer ban, as long as our squad doesn’t already have 24 registered first team players, and this is the hard bit we don’t pay a fee for the loan and we don’t pay the player more than he’s getting at the parent club. Not to many hurdles to get over, I think Colin Jackson would have fell at the first. That’s as current as my memory would allow for hurdler’s 😂

    I think they are the rules for the EFL so don’t necessarily apply to EPL 

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    9 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

    One or two big sales will have to happen in the summer unless we want to be certain to receive another FFP charge.

    The league are going to get us one way or another it seems, whether it’s with another points deduction and relegation or making it nigh on impossible for us to stay up next season with the transfer ban when we’ve already cut the squad to the bone on their say so. 

    If we get a transfer ban I don’t see how we can let anyone go. As per the Echo article I posted earlier Dele, Gomes,Gueye,Young,Coleman,Lonergan,Harrison & Danjuma are all out of contract in the summer so we could potentially lose all of them

    We already have a wafer thin squad so if we start selling players we can’t replace then there would be a real danger that we couldn’t fulfil all of our fixtures if we got a couple of injuries

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    I think for everybody’s sanity we need to pause this thread until after the appeal. Clearly mitigation is not in Palfys vocabulary so no matter how many people try to explain why we have a case he isn’t going to accept it

    Lets just hope Palfy doesn’t get appointed to the panel for the appeal hearing or we are all fucked !

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