Shukes

He’ll get the full season. The club are trying desperately to change the culture here, and that includes the manager merry go round.

Got to disagree. We may have a better starting 11. But we are definitely weaker when it comes to staring! Mina had one proper evil glare. Gray thought he was a star and deserved more. Iwobi ran around looking starry eyes. Small was sure he was a star… but his light faded fast it seems. Ye definitely weaker in the staring department.

More like Godzilla v per wee Herman! Thats me by the way. Palfy scares me the way he tells me off!

But Digne didn’t stop training. He did t stop playing, he didn’t turn up late, he didn’t force his way out of the club. He just didn’t agree with the manager’s philosophy of playing, that’s all. Is that a bad thing? You’re right though there is no point in discussing it further if you believe in a dictatorship where no one can have a voice. I’ll stick with my democratic views. I run a business myself and welcome criticism. It’s healthy for my staff and encourages them to come up with solutions for problems. Palfy you seek to want to fight everything I say at the moment mate. I can only presume I have upset you somehow. And I’m sorry for that mate. If I have offended you it wasn’t meant…. You’re right I go to far with my arguments sometimes and it doesn’t come across well. Sorry mate, I still love you just as much as I hate you haha

Caught it haha! But honestly mate they are two different scenarios. One was wanting better for the club and still training hard and acting professional. One wanted the best for himself, turned up late and acted unprofessional. You can compare the two, but logic should come to the conclusion that they are two different scenarios.

Where are we haha?

I think he should play whoever is on form and let the other prove themselves. Been a long time since we’ve had competition.

Didn’t Digne cry on his way out as he wanted desperately to stay? I think that’s a little different than this situation. And didn’t Iwobi not sign his new contract and wanted extra money when he is already one of the top earners at the club? Statistically Palfy…. You talk some Bull, about 99.9% of the time

I appreciate that mate thank you. It’s factually incorrect though…. I’m not always right.

Coady’s issue wasn’t his mistakes, it was that when he wasn’t making mistakes we all noticed that he was a really really average player on his best days. When he was in the team people were non stop grumbling. But then like true Evertonians we all got on the managers back when he dropped him. That’s what we do. And before anyone tells me about win stats ect…. I don’t care, he was average. But he was a great voice on the changing room apparently. Not that it helped us in anyway whatsoever.

An effective player at times, frustrating more often than not. But had the ability to win a game. But you decided you were better than the club, and that is unforgivable for me. Wish you all the best wherever you go… but wish you had gone with a bit more modesty.

Transitioning to a new millennium!

You must have waited years for that perfect opportunity hahaha! Love it.

Palfy what are you talking about? In sure everyone knew what I meant by not backing down to a few internet warriors. I litteraly said what I meant haha and you open your paragraph with a “no one’s twisting it” I probably deserve this to be fair after admitting to trying to pull you and Bailey in. So Kudos for that, was a decent effort. Not as good as Danjumas effort that was turned around the post, but a good effort all the same. And no they weren’t debating that he could have done better Palf. That’s a given. They were debating that his heavy touch was a bad decision. And yes people can have different opinions that’s fine. But black is black mate and just because some may have an opinion that it’s white… it’s still wrong. And that shot that he had where you say nothing come of it… do you mean other than it on target and saved around the post for a corner? That’s not nothing come of it Palfy, that’s a good effort on goal that nearly went in and would have if it hadn’t been for a good save. Look I’m not debating that he could have done better at all. So could all of our players including Beto. Im also not debating that he made a few bad decisions as he did. What I’m debating is that some of those weren’t by his choice, they were poor execution. No coach in the world is going to complain about a player going to the bye line and trying to pull it back….trust me, it’s absolute madness to think they would. But back on point… keep up the bullying and I’ll put a complaint in and ask for you to be banned. Or at least post a photo of yourself sitting on a potty with nothing on but a red top!

Every day I manage to tie my own laces I fist bump the air mate haha! Usually miss that as well.

I think there is still a place for Gray as he could be an effective player coming off the bench. But if all these rumours are true and he isn’t working on training and turning up late… then he can for nothing as far as I’m concerned. Effort is the No1 ask on the premier league and especially at Everton.

Palfy your not stupid mate. You can see clearly what’s been said. Werw talking about the difference between a player making choices or having a bad touch/pass. It’s above you in black and white. By your own logic… I haven’t said that a player can’t be criticised because he scored…. When I clearly point out several times that the passage is okay when he was 4 v 2 was a bad CHOICE. But the pull back WAS’NT a choice, but poor execution. Same as the heavy touch…. Which just to point out we’re the passages of play that we’re brought up, not by me. So I’m not creating an argument that’s not there, I’m responding to what’s been said…. Or aren’t I allowed to because it doesn’t follow a narrative? Mate I don’t get bullied in real life and I certainly won’t shy to anyone internet warriors…. Which means I won’t just agree because a couple of people have each others backs haha. That’s what this whole conversation is about. We’re also talking about end product. I’m not going to quote as it’s clearly there several times, and honestly you’ve said you have read back… but have you? It’s there mate! And I don’t care how anyone twists it, goals ARE end product. I have played football at a decent level, I also coach football. And it’s always been the same, I don’t think anything has changed. The goal of football is to put the ball in the oppositions net. It’s not to keep possession. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. But I won’t change my mind. I will criticise when I feel it’s justified and I will praise when I feel it’s justified.

Na mate, I’m 100% right. I’ve played football and watched it. Don’t think I’ve ever came across a player that decides to take a poor touch or tries to miss a pass. Anyone that thinks that’s a choice is just plain stupid sorry mate.or maybe a bit deluded… either way it’s nothing to do with opinion, it’s actual fact. But not explaining it again. Anyone that doesn’t get it at this point… will never understand it.

You’re talking about a bad decision in that instance. When a player tries to pull the ball back and gets it wrong… that’s bad execution… not a bad decision. When he takes a heavy touch. That’s also bad execution, not a bad decision. If any of you guys think on his mind he thought… you know, I’ll take a heavy rough here….. then you simply don’t have a clue, sorry Haf. And when we’re talking about end product when we have struggled like hell to score goals, and a guy scores two in two matches…. Again, that’s end product right there. A goal is simply an end product. Tell you what, I’m not discussing this anymore as I’m arguing with people that just aren’t using logic. And that makes me a fool. I respect your opinions, but in this instance, it’s not opinion… your just wrong. So I’m gonna let it go and accept that he needs benching because there is no end product. And we’re on zero points.

Waiting for the obligatory fake account to come out, and then hear that he has actually been injured all this time. Then we’ll see him back in the squad for the friendly during the international break.

Two goals in two games are proving you’re completely wrong. There is no discussion here mate, you’re just completely wrong. End product is scoring goals. Or getting assists. He is doing exactly that. Im not even sure why we’re having this discussion. I feel we’re talking about flat here. No end product… but he just scored our equaliser? Ye like I said no end product… what’s end product? Scoring a goal… like he just did? No, he has no end product! Im absolutely lost haha.

Your examples are saying that it was his execution and not decision making that we’re wrong, other than the 4 v 2. Im sore he didn’t decide to take a heavy touch… that’s execution. The pull back wasn’t the wrong decision, it was bad execution. We've scored two goals after four games. He has scored 50% of them. Doucs has scored 50% of them and ducked up way more. So are you saying we need to drop all the other players that have missed those chances or made the wrong decisions? Because if so Bailey, we literally have no team left. Or is it ok for other players to do it? Have you actually saw our chances created stats so far? We’re up there at the top. But we have only scored two goals. It doesn’t take a football expert to see that our players have either made the wrong decisions or that the execution has been wrong. We’re not talking Danjuma here, but the whole team. But we want to take the player out of the team that has actually scored a two goals this week. That’s absolute madness…. Nothing more, just absolute madness.

Which is why we’re such an attractive club. People just live our fans and our club. Everyone wants in, and why wouldn’t they.

Probably could score goals and is to attacking. No good for us.

Exactly. Useless, let’s get Iwobi back. At least he had the common sense to play that ball backwards and us lose the match. And some accuse our fans of being deluded. It’s not us…. It’s the rest of the universe that are wrong.